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Jan Schneider | 1 Jun 2007 02:06
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Re: "big three" webmail providers courting campus

Zitat von Kevin Konowalec <webadmin <at> ualberta.ca>:

> Our students don't complain so much about the interface (which is
> surprising since we serve around 80,000 staff and students).  Though
> we do get a lot of requests for AJAX-like functionality.  Drag and
> drop sort of thing.  But the big one is a calendar... but since the
> bigwings have a death grip on their exchange servers for the 2000 of
> them or so that use it we need to find something that will
> communicate with it.  I'm hoping Kronolith will do that someday...

Not without sponsoring. This is not a feature any of the current  
developers is interested in, and I think that if your people insist on  
using (and paying) Exchange, they can probably afford this sponsorship  
as well.

> and if it was AJAX-like as well like Google calendar is (which is
> VERY nice) then you'd have a LOT of happy campers over here.

There are some plans, but nothing concrete to tell about yet.

Jan.

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Chuck Hagenbuch | 1 Jun 2007 06:31
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Re: imp problem, login works w/ IE but not firefox

Quoting John Heim <jheim <at> math.wisc.edu>:

> Hi,
>
> We are setting up a new web server and I am having a problem configureing
> horde3 and imp4. I installed horde3 and imp4 via apt-get from a mirror of
> debian stable. I then went through the horde administration  settings and
> made sure they were the same on our old server and our new server. We are
> using a local imap proxy for authentication and a mysql backend for
> preferences.
>
> The problem is that if I try to login via firefox, I am bumped back to the
> login screen. With IE, I get logged in but I get a javascript error.
> The horde log says

None of those are abnormal. Knowing what the javascript error is would  
be very helpful, though. Also, have you checked the javascript console  
in Firefox? It usually has better error messages than IE.

-chuck
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Chuck Hagenbuch | 1 Jun 2007 06:36
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Re: "big three" webmail providers courting campus

Quoting Jan Schneider <jan <at> horde.org>:

>> Our students don't complain so much about the interface (which is
>> surprising since we serve around 80,000 staff and students).  Though
>> we do get a lot of requests for AJAX-like functionality.  Drag and
>> drop sort of thing.  But the big one is a calendar... but since the
>> bigwings have a death grip on their exchange servers for the 2000 of
>> them or so that use it we need to find something that will
>> communicate with it.  I'm hoping Kronolith will do that someday...
>
> Not without sponsoring. This is not a feature any of the current
> developers is interested in, and I think that if your people insist on
> using (and paying) Exchange, they can probably afford this sponsorship
> as well.

To add my own take on this: it sort of depends what you mean by  
"communicate with exchange". Microsoft makes it very hard to talk to  
exchange from non-microsoft clients, and for good reason - it's their  
lock in feature. They put a lot of work into calendaring before other  
companies or the open source community had anything comparable, and  
that's why people use Exchange - I've never heard of anyone using it  
for the mail server, for example.

On the other hand it's gotten a lot better at playing nicely with  
things like iTip, as has IMP. So maybe you could clarify what you'd  
need? Do you really need to take the administrators off of exchange in  
order to give the students Kronolith?

-chuck
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Kevin Konowalec | 1 Jun 2007 06:49
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Re: "big three" webmail providers courting campus


On May 31, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Chuck Hagenbuch wrote:

>
> To add my own take on this: it sort of depends what you mean by
> "communicate with exchange". Microsoft makes it very hard to talk to
> exchange from non-microsoft clients, and for good reason - it's their
> lock in feature. They put a lot of work into calendaring before other
> companies or the open source community had anything comparable, and
> that's why people use Exchange - I've never heard of anyone using it
> for the mail server, for example.
>
> On the other hand it's gotten a lot better at playing nicely with
> things like iTip, as has IMP. So maybe you could clarify what you'd
> need? Do you really need to take the administrators off of exchange in
> order to give the students Kronolith?
>
> -chuck
> --  

No... what we'd need is for students to be able to view calendars and  
book meetings and whatnot between Kronolith and Exchange.   
Essentially we have a bunch of departments/faculties as well as  
administration that refuse to give up exchange (for the usual  
ridiculous reasons).  The rest of the faculties/departments and the  
student body could use Kronolith.  Ideally there would be a way to  
talk between the two in some meaningful way.  That's not to say we  
wouldn't deploy Kronolith for the students anyway... but things would  
go a lot smoother for us if we could include exchange in the mix  
somehow.
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Michael M Slusarz | 1 Jun 2007 11:36
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Re: "big three" webmail providers courting campus

Quoting Kevin Konowalec <webadmin <at> ualberta.ca>:

>
> On May 31, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Chuck Hagenbuch wrote:
>
>>
>> To add my own take on this: it sort of depends what you mean by
>> "communicate with exchange". Microsoft makes it very hard to talk to
>> exchange from non-microsoft clients, and for good reason - it's their
>> lock in feature. They put a lot of work into calendaring before other
>> companies or the open source community had anything comparable, and
>> that's why people use Exchange - I've never heard of anyone using it
>> for the mail server, for example.
>>
>> On the other hand it's gotten a lot better at playing nicely with
>> things like iTip, as has IMP. So maybe you could clarify what you'd
>> need? Do you really need to take the administrators off of exchange in
>> order to give the students Kronolith?
>>
>> -chuck
>> --
>
>
> No... what we'd need is for students to be able to view calendars and
> book meetings and whatnot between Kronolith and Exchange.
> Essentially we have a bunch of departments/faculties as well as
> administration that refuse to give up exchange (for the usual
> ridiculous reasons).  The rest of the faculties/departments and the
> student body could use Kronolith.  Ideally there would be a way to
> talk between the two in some meaningful way.  That's not to say we
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Michael M Slusarz | 1 Jun 2007 11:34
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Re: troubles with dimp

Quoting Joseph Malone <josephmalone <at> higlum.com>:

> Quoting Michael M Slusarz <slusarz <at> horde.org>:
>
>
>> Make particular note that if you have used DIMP in the past (i.e.
>> before the last week), several new configuration options were added in
>> the past week that will totally break your server unless they are set.
>>
>
> yes, we have used DIMP in the past, but after updating the config
> files,  I do now see new configuration options.  In the conf.xml page,
> I only see two options about hooks, an option for javascript settings,
> and some viewport settings... in prefs.php there is only one option..
> Is there some sort of configuration I'm skipping?  I was under the
> impression that DIMP got all of its important settings from IMP...

Not all.  The new viewport settings need to be present in conf.php  
(and have reasonable values) or else the potential is there to see the  
same kinds of issues you previously reported.

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Michael M Slusarz | 1 Jun 2007 11:41
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Re: "big three" webmail providers courting campus

Quoting Liam Hoekenga <liamr <at> deathstar.org>:

> Anyhoo... some of the results could be changed by offering different
> Horde modules ("No IM or calendar functionaliy", "Can't get my mail from
> my mobile phone."), but the big one was a cry that the UI for IMP was
> too complicated.  These are early results, specific to our school...
>
>     What would you like to change about your school's current email system?
>      - Complicated Interface (24%)

IMHO, 1 out of 4 people complaining about an interface isn't bad at  
all.  I can guarantee you that there are at least 25% of Windows Vista  
users that complain about its user interface, and I can only begin to  
guess how many millions of dollars Microsoft has spent on interface  
design.

> We don't have Kronolith or MIMP installed.  We're eagerly awaiting DIMP,
> but I fear that google's goal here is to organize a grass roots movement
> to get students to demand that we switch to GMail institutionally.

Sounds about right.  It's the "try to push google without looking like  
you are trying to push google" tactic.

> I guess this is just a cautionary tale.  With the big three webmail
> providers offering free or massively subsidized hosting for entire
> student populations,  Horde is going to have to work real hard to stay
> attractive and / or relevant.

As others have pointed out, the question is how much you are willing  
to accept in order to relinquish control of the system.
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Michael M Slusarz | 1 Jun 2007 11:45
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Re: Random attachment problems

Quoting Babita <brana <at> ualberta.ca>:

> Horde: 3.1.4
> Imp: H3 (4.1.4)
> PHP Version: 4.4.1
> OpenBSD 4.1
>
> Hello.
>
> We're seeing two major problems on our system related to attachments and
> we're having a difficult time isolating the cause.
>
> 1. uploading certain file types (eg .java and .vms) causes the composition
> screen to go blank.
>
> .vms fails on all browsers except IE 7.0
> .java fails on Safari 2.0.4 but succeeds on Firefox 1.5 (on machine A)
> .java fails on Firefox but succeeds on IE (on machine B)
>
> 2. sometimes the file does not attach despite the "successfully attached"
> message confirmation (ie, the file does not show up in the recipient's
> email).
>
> .jpeg has inconsistent results on both Safari and Firefox
> .jpg and .gif are successfully received every time
>
> These files are no more than 1.5MB in size and do not exceed any upload
> limits. All front end machines have a common NFS mounted upload directory.
> We recently upgraded from Horde 3.1.2 and Imp 4.1.2, applying patches
> incrementally to get to the latest stable release. None of these problems
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Earnie Boyd | 1 Jun 2007 13:41
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Re: "big three" webmail providers courting campus

Quoting Kevin Konowalec <webadmin <at> ualberta.ca>:

>
> No... what we'd need is for students to be able to view calendars and
> book meetings and whatnot between Kronolith and Exchange.

This looks interesting:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ical+exchange+kronolith&btnG=Google+Search

Earnie
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kristof.vanmol@pandora.be | 1 Jun 2007 14:47
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login Horde/imp

Hey,

I have a little problem, and can't find a solutions for my problem on the website.

I did a test with the imp/test.php file, and the result = good. So connections succesfully.

The folowing code is in the servers.php file, but i cant find out wath i do wrong.

The auth. must be don by the IMAP server, and not by Horde self.

Can somebody help me please.

I'm not a PHP expert.

Many thanks

Kind regards

Kristof Van Mol

$servers['imap'] = array(

'name' => 'srv5-imap.servage.net',
'server' => 'srv5-imap.servage.net',
'hordeauth' => False,
'protocol' => 'imap/notls',
'port' => '143',
'maildomain' => 'ccmoore.be',
'realm' => '',
'preferred' => '',
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