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ray gordon | 1 Feb 04:13
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RE: Using Model T as input device Was: Re: Model 100 ... How-to make it useful again


The 200 does TT, I'm 90% sure the 102 does NOT.

> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:47:47 -0600
> Subject: Re: Using Model T as input device Was: Re: Model 100 ... How-to make 	it useful again
> From: kc5oid@...
> To: m100@...
> 
> But if you have a 102 or 200 they do touch tones don't they?
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Peter Vollan <dprogram54@...> wrote:
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> > I don't think so Jake. The model 100 doesn't even generate normal touch
> > tones, just rotary. It's not a soundblaster. The tones it can generate are
> > limited by the onboard chips.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:47 AM, J Bickhard <jbickhard@...> wrote:
> >
> > > That's what my idea was: create a program that will recognize the
> > > tones of different keypresses, and then generate iphone keypresses
> > > accordingly.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Jeff Gonzales <gonzobrains <at> gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > i guess that could work as long as the iphone deciphered the keypress
> > > tones
> > > > correctly.
> > > >
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Jeff Gonzales | 1 Feb 04:24
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Re: Using Model T as input device Was: Re: Model 100 ... How-to make it useful again

I was thinking using the cassette port with FSK.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:13 AM, ray gordon <rayg06@...> wrote:

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> The 200 does TT, I'm 90% sure the 102 does NOT.
>
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> > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:47:47 -0600
> > Subject: Re: Using Model T as input device Was: Re: Model 100 ... How-to
> make         it useful again
> > From: kc5oid@...
> > To: m100@...
> >
> > But if you have a 102 or 200 they do touch tones don't they?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Peter Vollan <dprogram54@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think so Jake. The model 100 doesn't even generate normal touch
> > > tones, just rotary. It's not a soundblaster. The tones it can generate
> are
> > > limited by the onboard chips.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:47 AM, J Bickhard <jbickhard@...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > That's what my idea was: create a program that will recognize the
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M H Stein | 1 Feb 07:48

RE: Model 100 ... How-to make it useful again

That's what I meant by "not normally" but I certainly could have been clearer;
of course John's HTERM needs hardware support to use hardware flow control.

mike
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From: 	Stephen Adolph[SMTP:twospruces@...]
Sent: 	Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:45 PM
To: 	m100@...
Subject: 	Re: Model 100 ... How-to make it useful again

There are no software routines in the M100 rom that support hardware
flow control.  The hardware can do it though.

..Steve

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:12 PM, M H Stein <dm561@...> wrote:
> Umm, no, that last parameter enables or disables Xon/Xoff (soft) flow control,
> not hardware (and of course setting it to 'D' should take care of Comet's concern
> about DC1/DC3).
>
> The Model  T does not normally support hardware flow control (handshaking);
> the relevant control signals are always asserted. If you want to use it to talk to
> DOS for example (which only supports hardware flow control but not XON/XOFF)
> you will have overrun problems at any but the lowest baud rates.
>
> mike
> *********************************************************************************************
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M H Stein | 1 Feb 07:50

RE: Using Model T as input device Was: Re: Model 100 ... How-to make it useful again

Sounds interesting; as always we'd love to have you show us how it's done, Jake.

mike
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From: 	J Bickhard[SMTP:jbickhard@...]
Sent: 	Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:28 PM
To: 	m100@...
Subject: 	Re: Using Model T as input device Was: Re: Model 100 ... How-to make it useful again

No, here's what you do:

STAT M8n1e
terminal emulator mode

what audio goes out the modem when you type a letter? Take sample of
the rotary clicks that are generated (or whatever the modem generates
when in terminal mode) and translate that back into the original
keypress.

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Peter Vollan <dprogram54@...> wrote:
> I don't think so Jake. The model 100 doesn't even generate normal touch
> tones, just rotary. It's not a soundblaster. The tones it can generate are
> limited by the onboard chips.
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:47 AM, J Bickhard <jbickhard@...> wrote:
>
>> That's what my idea was: create a program that will recognize the
>> tones of different keypresses, and then generate iphone keypresses
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Jeff Gonzales | 1 Feb 08:57
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Re: Using Model T as input device Was: Re: Model 100 ... How-to make it useful again

i thought rotary clicks were only used for dialing?  the m100 doesn't
support dialing tones right?

i still think it is better to use the cassette port.  and then whatever
frequencies it uses to save ASCII data to tape you can just pick up on
those.  use FSK right?

jeff

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:50 PM, M H Stein <dm561@...> wrote:

> Sounds interesting; as always we'd love to have you show us how it's done,
> Jake.
>
> mike
>
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> From:   J Bickhard[SMTP:jbickhard@... <SMTP%3Ajbickhard@...>]
> Sent:   Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:28 PM
> To:     m100@...
> Subject:        Re: Using Model T as input device Was: Re: Model 100 ...
> How-to make it useful again
>
> No, here's what you do:
>
> STAT M8n1e
> terminal emulator mode
>
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Stephen Adolph | 1 Feb 13:28
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PC-8201 memory checker

Hi all,

I have rewritten Paul Globman's memory checker to run on PC-8201.
I've tested it on VirtualT and it seems to run.

Would someone mind beta testing it?

It is in my personal directory on Club100, under a folder called
"memchk for PC8201"

thanks, Steve
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Raymond | 1 Feb 19:42
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Re: ipad - joke or a good product?

Strike "new product" replace with "new distrubution channel for iTunes"

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 29, 2010, at 8:49 PM, Chris Fezzler <fezzler@...> wrote:

> Agree.  Edit. Strike "innovation", replace "new products"
>
> --- On Fri, 1/29/10, Stephen Adolph <twospruces@...> wrote:
>
>> From: Stephen Adolph <twospruces@...>
>> Subject: Re: ipad - joke or a good product?
>> To: m100@...
>> Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 8:29 AM
>> Interesting you use the word
>> innovation.
>> Repackaging is essentially what has gone on here.  Is
>> it innovative?
>> Relative to the Ipod, no, not in my opinion.
>>
>> I'm not picking on you for using the word.  I think it
>> is a common
>> word now, just like the phrase "high technology".
>> What passes for
>> "high technology" and "innovation" today is pretty thin
>> compared to
>> what these words used to connote, in my opinion.  I
>> think a lot of
>> what people refer to using these terms is simply "product
>> engineering".
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Comet | 1 Feb 22:05
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Re: Using Model T as input device Was: Re: Model 100 ... How-to make it useful again

There are no software routines in the Model 100 ROM that generate DTMF (touch tone) sounds.  The speaker can
be driven by the PIO chip (as per the SOUND command) and by direct CPU toggling (as per the BEEP command), and
although these mechanisms can run simultaneously to produce the two frequencies needed for dialing (by
putting a telephone receiver near the piezoelectric beeper), this would only be done by programming.

The Model 100 hardware supports stuff (e.g. RS-232 HW handshaking) that the system ROM does not implement.

For instance, you can use the PIO to generate sharper transitions than square waves (to the speaker).

The display chip drivers are turned on one at a time in the ROM (IIRC), but can be executed in parallel (e.g. to
very quickly fill the screen (or subsets controlled by selected LCD drivers) with white or black pixels or
some other patterns.

Sometimes, functionality can be added using hooks in the system ROM, and other times one must CALL
user-written routines to call enhanced code that duplicates some of the ROM routines (when a hook isn't
readily usable, such as is done by HTERM, which does not work by enhancing TERM by hooking communication
routines to eliminate necessity if a separate program called from MENU).

Not all capabilities are explicitly and fully documented, so the system rewards machine and assembly
programmers who have some understanding of the hardware.  A dissassembly and comparison of system ROMS
sometimes allows one to add features that are absent$?(, 

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:57 PM, Jeff Gonzales <gonzobrains@...> wrote:

i thought rotary clicks were only used for dialing?  the m100 doesn't
support dialing tones right?

i still think it is better to use the cassette port.  and then whatever
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VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN | 2 Feb 16:06
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RE: Using Model T as input device Was: Re: Model 100 ... How-to make it useful again

Hallo,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Comet
>
> There are no software routines in the Model 100 ROM that
> generate DTMF (touch tone) sounds.  The speaker can be driven
> by the PIO chip (as per the SOUND command) and by direct CPU
> toggling (as per the BEEP command), and although these
> mechanisms can run simultaneously to produce the two
> frequencies needed for dialing (by putting a telephone
> receiver near the piezoelectric beeper), this would only be
> done by programming.

Could we turn the Model T into a "blue box" ? Yeah Capt'n Crunch, here
we come! (30 years late, ...)

No kiddin', why do yo need 2 frequencies?

> The Model 100 hardware supports stuff (e.g. RS-232 HW
> handshaking) that the system ROM does not implement.

Odd. But not unusual, there are many examples of that: the computer
company building a computer and then putting software that doesn't use
the cips in it completely.

Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus
Jan-80             """""
@ work            ( @ @ )
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John Whitton | 2 Feb 18:24

Re: Using Model T as input device Was: Re: Model 100 ... How-to make it useful again

Ok..., I suppose that was a little terse.

Take a look at : http://www.dialabc.com/sound/dtmf.html

John W.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Whitton" <jwhitton@...>
To: <m100@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Using Model T as input device Was: Re: Model 100 ... How-to 
make it useful again

> Because DTMF= Dual Tone Multi Frequency
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN" <JAN.VANDENBOSSCHE@...>
> To: <m100@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:06 AM
> Subject: RE: Using Model T as input device Was: Re: Model 100 ... How-to 
> make it useful again
>
> No kiddin', why do yo need 2 frequencies?
>
>
>
>
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