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VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN | 10 Oct 12:15
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RE: Connecting a Model 100 to a Palm

@wes: Don't repeat it.

I can't see the difference between text input and file transfer, from
the Palm's pov. I suppose you have tried typing more than 520
chararcters to test the text input ?

The only thing I see is the speed. You don't type at 9600 bd, even if
the character are transfered one-by-one at that speed. Maybe the palm
has trouble keeping up? Try lowering the transfer speed and see how far
you get. Oh, also, I would do a hardware reset of the palm before every
test. You never know what's left in those communication buffers from
earlier experiments. The fact that with every transfer you tried, the
transfer stopped a few characters earlier, even suggests this.

So, the easiest way I think to do this is indeed in TEXT, saving to
(e.g) COM:38n1e (300 bd, XON/XOFF enabled) I hope you can make the Palm
understand that the input is at 300bd, now. Can you? Or did you already
try this?

@John: how much does DLPILOT cost ?

Success!
Jan-80 @ work

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Paul Treuthardt | 10 Oct 13:11
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Re: question - are we heading for another great depression?

Interestingly, potential problems in Iceland were raised in the British 
press in April, and actually in Parliament in July.  Apart from individual 
British savers who have £4 b (roughly $8 b) in Icelandic banks 
accounts,ewither through  local branches or on-line, (which the British Govt 
has guaranteed)  it has turned out that municipal authorities have as much a 
£1 b ($2) in Icelandic banks, (which the Govt is dithering about).  But a 
couple of municipalities withdrfew all their cash from the banks involved a 
few months ago.

The defense of those who didn't is that the credit rating agencies continued 
to say the banks were absolutely solid - so another vilain in all the mess.

The British govt has seized all Icelandic banks assets and investments in 
Britain (under anti-terrorism laws, which action upset the Icelandic govt no 
end !).

We amateurs had been wondering for some time where all the ICelandic 
investment money was coming from - huge buy-ups in Britain from a major 
soccer club to a world-famous toy store, and wondered if it has using funds 
from Russia.

Paul
London

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Gary Lee Phillips | 10 Oct 13:32
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Re: question - are we heading for another great depression?

Setting aside partisan finger pointing, this thing has been building
for over 30 years and isn't going to go away easily. I have little
confidence in the "safeguards" that were put in place after 1929,
since many of them have been castrated or removed in recent years
"because they get in the way of doing business."

So-called "fiscal conservatism" was a popular banner in the 1920s and
almost totally vanished during and after the Great Depression. It
re-emerged into public consciousness during the Reagan and Thatcher
administrations in the US and Britain, and has been shaping economic
policy since then with what looks to me like the same consequences we
had in 1929.

The problem is that this approach narrows vision too much. Instead of
seeing societies and economies as whole organic and changing
structures, it raises the power and wealth of individuals, or at most
individual families, to the highest level of importance, and downplays
the textures and interlocking structures of society that make the
economy work.

That is why we are seeing unexpected interconnections now, such as the
financial collapse in Iceland. It's also why we see unspeakable
abuses, as corporate execs slip away with millions in "golden
parachute" money while the institutions they were supposed to guide
and safeguard collapse into the dust.

I have no idea yet whether this will turn out to be a financial stress
as great as the depression of the 1930s, but it seems at least
possible. What I do know is that we have to view it as a serious alarm
signal. Major changes are needed at all levels. We will not be able to
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Wes Medlin | 10 Oct 16:08
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Re: Connecting a Model 100 to a Palm

Jan,

I've tried lowering the baud rate to 2400. Didn't work. I think the
problem has to be a buffer that the Keyz program ( the one that
accepts the input from the Model T) is using.

I did try Ptelnet, and it did work, up to a point. But it dumps its
logs to the Memo Pad, and that truncates them at 4K. Still, much more
text than I was getting before.

So I'm going to check into a few other telnet apps, and see what I can do.

I know that DLPilot is the best way to do this, but that's not the
point. This should work, and I'm too stubborn to give up till I've
tried all options. If I weren't so stubborn, I probably wouldn't be
trying to connect an 8 year old Palm to a 25 year old laptop. ;-)

It's funny how attached we get to our toys, isn't it.

But hey guys, I love all the input. That's part of why I threw this
out here on the list. Just to get people talking and thinking.

Wes

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:15 AM, VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN
<JAN.VANDEN.BOSSCHE@...> wrote:
> @wes: Don't repeat it.
>
> I can't see the difference between text input and file transfer, from
> the Palm's pov. I suppose you have tried typing more than 520
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John R. Hogerhuis | 10 Oct 16:42
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Re: OT: question - are we heading for another great depression?

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Stephen Adolph <twospruces@...> wrote:

> Time to pay the piper?  Thoughts and comments welcome.  cheers, Steve
>

Well I'm hopeful that the sharp-pencil guys have some good ideas about
what to do to resolve this because of the Great Depression, the
Japanese banking crisis, the S&L debacle, etc.

Apparently Bernanke is an expert on the Depression.

So, hopefully it won't get that bad. If I can dig up some cash, I'll
be buying stocks soon.

-- John.
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Gary Lee Phillips | 10 Oct 16:44
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Re: OT: question - are we heading for another great depression?

I'm not impressed with Bernanke. He's showing no sign of any
inspiration other than the old tried and failed ideas.

--Gary

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:42 AM, John R. Hogerhuis <jhoger@...> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Stephen Adolph <twospruces@...> wrote:
>
>> Time to pay the piper?  Thoughts and comments welcome.  cheers, Steve
>>
>
> Well I'm hopeful that the sharp-pencil guys have some good ideas about
> what to do to resolve this because of the Great Depression, the
> Japanese banking crisis, the S&L debacle, etc.
>
> Apparently Bernanke is an expert on the Depression.
>
> So, hopefully it won't get that bad. If I can dig up some cash, I'll
> be buying stocks soon.
>
> -- John.
>
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John R. Hogerhuis | 10 Oct 16:53
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Re: Connecting a Model 100 to a Palm

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:08 AM, Wes Medlin <wesmedlin@...> wrote:
> Jan,
>
> I've tried lowering the baud rate to 2400. Didn't work. I think the
> problem has to be a buffer that the Keyz program ( the one that
> accepts the input from the Model T) is using.
>
> I did try Ptelnet, and it did work, up to a point. But it dumps its
> logs to the Memo Pad, and that truncates them at 4K. Still, much more
> text than I was getting before.
>

So it's nothing inherent in the Palm. It's just Keyz which wasn't
designed as a terminal program, but as a keyboard driver.

So, I think you need to slow down the data going to it as Jan suggests.

Something like this (my BASIC is rusty):

80 OPEN "MYFILE.DO" FOR INPUT AS #1
90 OPEN "COM:98N1D" FOR OUTPUT AS #2
100 LINE INPUT #1, A$
110 PRINT #2,A$
120 I F (NOT EOF(1)) THEN GOTO 100
125 FOR I=0TO100:NEXTI
130 GOTO 100

This will put some extra delays and end-of-lines in there, but good
enough for government work. Fixing the EOL issue and other bugs is
left as an exercise for the reader (hint: LINE INPUT either reads a
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John R. Hogerhuis | 10 Oct 16:55
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On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 3:15 AM, VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN
<JAN.VANDEN.BOSSCHE@...> wrote:

> @John: how much does DLPILOT cost ?
>

Something like $25
http://bitchin100.com/dlpilot/DLPilot.html

Exact price depends on if you're feeling charitable and want to pay
the PayPal fee.

-- John.
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Mitch Parker | 10 Oct 17:25
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Re: OT: question - are we heading for another great depression?

Gary,

I'm not impressed either.  The collusion between financial regulators (aka
the Federal Reserve and US Government) and the "masters of the universe" on
Wall Street has resulted in this.

If this administration didn't have the US Attorney's Office by the cojones
like they do (see Alberto Gonzales and Monica Goodling), we'd be seeing a
lot more executives doing the perp walk, not just a few.

It all comes back to greed.  Unlike what Gordon Gekko says, its not good.

Mitch

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Gary Lee Phillips <tivo.overo@...>wrote:

> I'm not impressed with Bernanke. He's showing no sign of any
> inspiration other than the old tried and failed ideas.
>
> --Gary
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:42 AM, John R. Hogerhuis <jhoger@...>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Stephen Adolph <twospruces@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Time to pay the piper?  Thoughts and comments welcome.  cheers, Steve
> >>
> >
> > Well I'm hopeful that the sharp-pencil guys have some good ideas about
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Paul Treuthardt | 10 Oct 19:14
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Re: question - are we heading for another great depression?

Some British newspapers started warning about Iceland back in April.. The 
centrist Liberal Democrat party formally raised the idea that there was a 
problem in Parliament in June, but the Govt said everything was okay.  At my 
humble level, we had been wondering for some time how Iceland could suddenly 
become a huge financial power, with its banks backing its entrepreneurs to 
buy a wide range of assets in the UK, ranging from a major soccer club, 
through long-estalished City of London financial houses to the famous toy 
store Hamleys.

We thought they might have been recycling Russian money, but who knows ?

It turns out something like $8b in private savings and $ 2b in municipal and 
other public funds - like London Transport and Scotland Yard, -were invested 
with Icelandic banks because they were offering great interest rates and the 
credit rating agencies said they were AAA.

Now the rating agencies are being apportioned some of the blame - which the 
Great British Public has been directing mainly to the banks - and the 
British Govt has used anti-terrorist legislation to freeze the UK assets of 
Icelandic banks, etc - which was not greeted warmly by the Icelandic govt !. 
Now a UK gvt delegation is in ICeland trying to smooth things over and 
w23ork out how - if ever - the Icelanders are going to repay the money.

Paul
London

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