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Steve Batson | 1 Apr 2012 01:20
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Re: Trouble connecting to Jameco Company web page

Not sure I'd agree that it's the router. Sometimes depending on the path of 
your connections and your provider, problems can be outside of the house 
causing you to have problems getting to some sites while others have no  
problems. As far as DNS caching issues, that can sometimes be on your 
computer. Try looking up Flushdns on google and follow the procedure for 
you OS. Chances are, this is not going to be your issue though. Usually a 
reboot takes care of that type of issue though.

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To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco@...>
Subject: Re: [Coco] Trouble connecting to Jameco Company web page 

Try it without your router, if it works, the problem is in your router. I
had that once with cloud9 website. I reset my router and renew all the
settings, specially the DNS settings. Hope this helps...

succes

On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Frank Pittel  wrote:

> Works here!
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 12:14:51AM -0500, Brian G wrote:
> > Has any one had trouble connecting to the Jameco web page?
> > I use the www.jameco.com and it is always waiting for www.jameco.com.
> > I have cleared the cache. Firefox and Explorer respond the same.
> > Any ideas?
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John Kent | 1 Apr 2012 08:18
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Re: Read Coco floppies in my PC

I thought there was a reduce write current signal on some of the drives.
Does anyone know how that was used ?
I remember writing to some high density 1.2MByte floppies but could not 
erase them.

I have some WD279X chips. If you run them with a 2.4MHz clock in 8" mode 
perhaps they could be used to write high density 1.2MB drives. You'd 
have to build a 6809 board or wire wrap something.

John.

On 1/04/2012 6:34 AM, Frank Pittel wrote:
> I remember back in the day when there was a lot of talk about the problem that
> never had any issues with it on my computer. It had a 360K drive and a 1.2 meg
> drive and the 360K drive never had a prob reading disks written by the 1.2meg drive.
>
> That of course was me and those two drives though! I make no claims about other drive combos!!
> It's also been a long time since you've used a floppy on anything but my coco and I'm
> moving towards drivewire as fast as I can!!
>
> The Other Frank
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gene heskett | 1 Apr 2012 09:59
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Re: Read Coco floppies in my PC

On Sunday, April 01, 2012 03:33:10 AM John Kent did opine:

> I thought there was a reduce write current signal on some of the drives.
> Does anyone know how that was used ?

That RWC was used in some of the early drives to adjust the write current 
downward on the inner tracks of the disk.  The advent of better heads on 
most of the post Texas Peripheral era drives relegated that to the dustbin 
of time.

> I remember writing to some high density 1.2MByte floppies but could not
> erase them.
> 
> I have some WD279X chips. If you run them with a 2.4MHz clock in 8" mode
> perhaps they could be used to write high density 1.2MB drives. You'd
> have to build a 6809 board or wire wrap something.

I don't know if it works with all WD chips, but I have heard it works well 
with the Fujitsu MB8877 FDC, which I believe was cmos where the WD of the 
day were nmos.  I believe it is known not to work with the OEM WD277x 
FDC's.  If one could find WD 277X's that were made in the later 90's, I 
suspect they would work since production improvements (read "die shrinks") 
would have maintained the specs while reducing power input and increasing 
the speed of the logic at the same time. Finding that out might be an 
interesting exercise, but with DW making floppies about 95% obsolete, it 
isn't an experiment I'd personally feel like doing.

> John.
> 
> On 1/04/2012 6:34 AM, Frank Pittel wrote:
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Bill | 1 Apr 2012 10:31
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Stuff to swap/trade

Well, I finally decided what I’m looking for if anyone has any to trade:

360k 5 ¼” floppy drive

RS232 Pak w/cable

Speech Pak

Coco 3 case (only)

Case for drive controller

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Frank Swygert | 1 Apr 2012 18:04

Re: Read Coco floppies in my PC

Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:08:06 -0400
From: "Bill"<cwgordon@...>

So basically, regardless of the OS, I still ain't gonna get any good results 'till I find me a 360.

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Well, if you just want to transfer files, you can do it. I forgot to mention that you need to format a fresh 360K
disk in the 1.2M drive at 360K - Bruce reminded us of that. Either a fresh never formatted 360K disk or use a
bulk eraser on it (I used to keep a big old speaker magner just for that -- works great!). Otherwise if you try
to read it on a 360K drive the drive gets confused by the extraneous info on the edges of the narrow track the
1.2 drive wrote in the middle of the wider 360 track. As several of us pointed out, the data will "fade" after
a few days, so a week is about as long as the data can be reliably read without errors. So for short term it's
okay. I've done it and sent disks to people in the mail, but sent them the day after writing to them and noted
that they needed to 
 copy that disk to a 360K as soon as they got it. That was when I only had a 1.2 drive on my PC. I only wrote to a 360
disk if I needed to transfer text files, as I had a pair of 360K and a 7
 20K 3.5" (and a small HD) on my main CoCo, a pair of 360K on my luggable (CoCo3 and shorty disk controller
mounted in an old Kaypro II luggable case w/9" monochrome monitor).

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Frank Swygert | 1 Apr 2012 18:58

Re: Read Coco floppies in my PC

I don;t know about that "lucky" statement, definitely agree with the rest! You had to know exactly what the
cause of the problem was and make darn sure you took the right steps every time to make it work.
1. never before formatted 360K disk (or freshly bulk erased)
2. format in the 1.2 drive, and ONLY write to that disk with the 1.2 drive. If you needed to write to it with a
360K drive, format it first. If you have to write to it with the 1.2 again, it must be bulk erased first. I had a
disk or two I used to transfer files with that I marked "360K - use in 1.2 drive only" so I didn't have to
continually bulk erase them. Those got formatted every time I transferred a file.
3. Don't expect anything to be on the disk more than 10 days before errors start to occur. Sometimes they
would be readable 20-30 days later, but don't count on it.

You just have to work out what needs to be done then do it religiously. It's a bit of trouble, but if that's what
you have to work with you have to do it. Remember, the Intel/MS/IBM PC combo did more to bring computing to
the masses than any other computer. The common playing field helped in so many ways, especially
economically (one version of software instead of 3-5 for popular "home" computers, and interchangeable
parts/peripherals). But the masses don't always follow directions! They want to stick a disk in and have
it work, not go through a few hoops to make it work. So there were problems when disk sizes changed for Joe and
Jane Average. Those with a little technical savvy who figured out what the problems were also figured out
how to get around them. I see the same thing in the old 
 car hobby, especially with Ramblers! Someon buys a late 50s/early 60s Rambler because it's a neat old car
they can get affordably, then realize they can't get a catalog and order everything 
 they need to fix it up like you can a Mustang. They try to drive the old things like a modern car and wonder why it
feels/drives "different", and they can't just put gas and oil in and go -- requires maintenance every 3-6
months. Got to learn your car/equipment! Who wants to do that? It's worse than having to read the
instructions first...

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Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:14:52 -0400
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johnchasteen | 1 Apr 2012 19:53
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Hi

 have been a member for years and really enjoy this LIST

I am a snow bird and would like to start a list for our Senior Sunday
school class

and one for our Senior "Bayshore 3 Computer Club"  We have 10 Bldg  w/ 21
units per Bldg.

Both of these list will be PC .

Thanks for any suggestions and help.

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Chad H | 1 Apr 2012 20:04
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Re: Read Coco floppies in my PC

He need to try it for himself...the whole "week of use" thing is not definitive at all, neither is all of the
posts on the web about these problems, neither is the successful read/write of these same disks for YEARS
after being formatted by a 1.2mb drive as some of us, including myself, have experienced..

The truth is he wont know until he tries it...    kinda like tires on a car, your mileage may vary

Frank Swygert <farna@...> wrote:

>Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:08:06 -0400
>From: "Bill"<cwgordon@...>
>
>So basically, regardless of the OS, I still ain't gonna get any good results 'till I find me a 360.
>
>---------------------
>
>Well, if you just want to transfer files, you can do it. I forgot to mention that you need to format a fresh
360K disk in the 1.2M drive at 360K - Bruce reminded us of that. Either a fresh never formatted 360K disk or
use a bulk eraser on it (I used to keep a big old speaker magner just for that -- works great!). Otherwise if
you try to read it on a 360K drive the drive gets confused by the extraneous info on the edges of the narrow
track the 1.2 drive wrote in the middle of the wider 360 track. As several of us pointed out, the data will
"fade" after a few days, so a week is about as long as the data can be reliably read without errors. So for
short term it's okay. I've done it and sent disks to people in the mail, but sent them the day after writing to
them and noted that they needed to
  copy that disk to a 360K as soon as they got it. That was when I only had a 1.2 drive on my PC. I only wrote to a 360
disk if I needed to transfer text files, as I had a pair of 360K and a 
 7
> 20K 3.5" (and a small HD) on my main CoCo, a pair of 360K on my luggable (CoCo3 and shorty disk controller
mounted in an old Kaypro II luggable case w/9" monochrome monitor).
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Chad H | 1 Apr 2012 20:08
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Re: Read Coco floppies in my PC

My 360k disks only initially formatted by 1.2mb drive in pc....all subsequent reading/writing done by
360k drives in COCO, no failures in years!

Frank Swygert <farna@...> wrote:

>I don;t know about that "lucky" statement, definitely agree with the rest! You had to know exactly what the
cause of the problem was and make darn sure you took the right steps every time to make it work.
>1. never before formatted 360K disk (or freshly bulk erased)
>2. format in the 1.2 drive, and ONLY write to that disk with the 1.2 drive. If you needed to write to it with a
360K drive, format it first. If you have to write to it with the 1.2 again, it must be bulk erased first. I had a
disk or two I used to transfer files with that I marked "360K - use in 1.2 drive only" so I didn't have to
continually bulk erase them. Those got formatted every time I transferred a file.
>3. Don't expect anything to be on the disk more than 10 days before errors start to occur. Sometimes they
would be readable 20-30 days later, but don't count on it.
>
>You just have to work out what needs to be done then do it religiously. It's a bit of trouble, but if that's
what you have to work with you have to do it. Remember, the Intel/MS/IBM PC combo did more to bring computing
to the masses than any other computer. The common playing field helped in so many ways, especially
economically (one version of software instead of 3-5 for popular "home" computers, and interchangeable
parts/peripherals). But the masses don't always follow directions! They want to stick a disk in and have
it work, not go through a few hoops to make it work. So there were problems when disk sizes changed for Joe and
Jane Average. Those with a little technical savvy who figured out what the problems were also figured out
how to get around them. I see the same thing in the old
  car hobby, especially with Ramblers! Someon buys a late 50s/early 60s Rambler because it's a neat old car
they can get affordably, then realize they can't get a catalog and order everything

> they need to fix it up like you can a Mustang. They try to drive the old things like a modern car and wonder why
it feels/drives "different", and they can't just put gas and oil in and go -- requires maintenance every
3-6 months. Got to learn your car/equipment! Who wants to do that? It's worse than having to read the
instructions first...
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haywire666 | 2 Apr 2012 02:30
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Re: Stuff to swap/trade


I am looking for a coco 3 keyboard if anyone happens to have one for sale/trade...

Steven

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Sent: Sun, Apr 1, 2012 4:32 am
Subject: [Coco] Stuff to swap/trade

Well, I finally decided what I’m looking for if anyone has any to trade:

360k 5 ¼” floppy drive
RS232 Pak w/cable
Speech Pak
Coco 3 case (only)
Case for drive controller

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