farna | 1 Aug 2005 01:39
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Re: Coco Digest, Vol 22, Issue 145

I wasn't pointing any fingers, George!! But I should have been clearer too. It's obvious to most here that
the only real use for a USB port will be through OS-9 LII or Nitros9 (referred to interchangeably as OS9 from
now on). At that point you need a driver for a device, which will take some time, but once the hardware is made
and source is available for one device, almost any could be connected. So one printer driver should work
for nearly any USB printer -- just redirect output in OS9 to the USB port. Set it in your boot file and forget.
If the chip will support multiple USB ports (say four) you won't need a disk controller. One cartridge in
the side, four cables running to a 1.44 floppy, a hard drive, a printer, and a thumb drive -- all easily
available at the local PC store. When was the last time you were able to just go pick up any old piece of
hardware for a CoCo? It's been a long
  time since serial printers were made, and it's getting harder to find parallel port model
 s. Make a boot ROM socket in that board too, just to be safe. I don't see why a simple boot that just sets up the
port and drive access can't be in that ROM, which then allows you to reboot your custom disk from one of the
attached devices. Do you need a real serial port? Buy one of those USB to RS-232 cables now! Those aren't
exactly cheap, but no more than a serial card IIRC. I suppose you can connect a hub to the device as well. If
that's the case, the card can be made cheaper by just having a single port. Adding three ports on the card
will probably cost more than a readily available $15+ USB 1.1 powered hub. Would save power from the CoCo as
well. 

Now if there were only a way to make it available in RSDOS it would be perfect! But the only future for the CoCo
as a real tool and not just a simple dedicated controller is in OS9. I was really just an RSDOS person myself,
but even I could see OS9 was the real power in -- and the future of -- the little white box. 

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John Donaldson | 1 Aug 2005 01:58
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Re: Houston, TX CoCoNuts?

Roger Taylor wrote:

> Dear CoCo users,
>
> Are there any Houston, TX members here?
>
>
I'm in Plano,TX

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Neil Morrison | 1 Aug 2005 01:52

Re: FYI about AOL bounces


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" <bathory@...>

> What'd they used to say about AOL? Get a real ISP? :)

"AOL Sucks" . . . is the usual phrase.

Neil

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John Donaldson | 1 Aug 2005 02:11
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Re: Dale Puckett e-mail failed

James Jones wrote:

> Nickolas Marentes wrote:
>
>> Another name that would be worth locating is Dale Chatham - Director 
>> of hardware engineering and worked on the CoCo3.
>
>
> Googling turns up a Dale Chatham who is a ham, I think in Texas, and 
> interested in astronomy and Linux. Might be him.
>
>     James
>
Go up on QRZ.com...It has a HAM lookup database via callsign

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James Diffendaffer | 1 Aug 2005 03:17
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[Color Computer] Still more CoCo USB Was:Re: Coco Digest, Vol 22, Issue 145

> It's obvious to most here that the only real use for a
> USB port will be through OS-9 LII or Nitros9 (referred to 
> interchangeably as OS9 from now on).

Why not CoCo DOS?  Any program that outputs data through the standard
ROM calls could work.  Even programs that can't be patched for modern
printer drivers.  A virtual printer could translate between Epson or
Tandy and a USB printer like an HP Inkjet.  It would result in big
dots made of lots of little dots or require image enhancment but it
could work.  That could be done without a ROM.  

DOS calls could be intercepted as well but that eould be more complex
and would be best done in ROM.

> So one printer driver should work for nearly any USB printer -- just
> redirect output in OS9 to the USB port.

I'm not sure if printers are one of the devices that use a universal
driver.  Every USB printer I've used required a driver.

> multiple USB ports (say four) you won't need a disk controller.

Let's not say four and say buy a powered USB hub to protect your
nearly 20 year old power supply if you are going to be using many devices.

> One cartridge in the side, four cables running to a 1.44 floppy, a
> hard drive, a printer, and a thumb drive -- all easily available at
> the local PC store.

That I agree with.
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RJRTTY | 1 Aug 2005 04:33
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Re: [Color Computer] Still more CoCo USB Was:Re: Coco Digest, Vol 22, ...

In a message dated 7/31/05 9:17:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jdiffendaffer@... writes:

<< 
 Why not CoCo DOS?  Any program that outputs data through the standard
 ROM calls could work.  Even programs that can't be patched for modern
 printer drivers.  A virtual printer could translate between Epson or
 Tandy and a USB printer like an HP Inkjet.  It would result in big
 dots made of lots of little dots or require image enhancment but it
 could work.   >>

    A USB floppy ,mouse or even harddrive would work but
not driving something like a modern inkjet printer.    If I remember
right somebody years ago back on the old princeton list wrote a driver
for the coco3 to use such a printer to do high resolution screen
dumps with a serial to parallel 
converter..     I know it took an obsurd amount of time tho I
cant remember exactly how much.     I know a 100Mhz 486
takes about 10 to 15 seconds to do each pass of the printer
head so a coco3 would probably be well over an hour per page.

Roy

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Jim Cox | 1 Aug 2005 04:42

Re: FYI about AOL bounces

Dennis:

Don't know if this is any help or not, but if any of these 
people (once they get this email) need an alternate 
mailing address, I will be glad to send them an invite to 
GMail.

Since I set up my alternate GMail account for this list, I 
have been able to deal with all the various subjects much 
better (my web mail interface is Communigate and sorting 
by subject isn't that great.  I like the way GMail sets up 
the threads.)

-Jim

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:36:12 -0400
  Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <bathory@...> wrote:
> The following AOL subscribers have been auto-disabled 
>due to AOL mail
> rejections:
> 
> bwboaz
> bradleyj2
> rswoger
> rjrtty
> nuxie
> paulh96636
> 
> If anybody out there isn't so sick of AOL shenanigans 
>that they are willing
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Roger Taylor | 1 Aug 2005 05:13

Re: Houston, TX CoCoNuts?

At 06:58 PM 7/31/2005, you wrote:
>Roger Taylor wrote:
>
>>Dear CoCo users,
>>
>>Are there any Houston, TX members here?
>>
>I'm in Plano,TX

I was originally asking because my brother might have needed an emergency 
place to stay if they could not get into the Ronald McDonald house for 
their daughter, but they got that room and are nearing the end of their 
stay now.  Thanks, anyway!

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John R. Hogerhuis | 1 Aug 2005 05:16
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Re: [Color Computer] Re: CoCo USB

On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 22:34 +0000, James Diffendaffer wrote:

> The Forth code should be converted to C unless someone has a forth
> compiler.
> 
> 
> 

Perhaps it should be converted to C or assembly but there are good Forth
interpreters for the 6809.

There are even some free ones.

Here's one is by Lennart Benschop:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~lennartb/m6809.html

It says it's an emulator but if you open the package there's also a
Forth in there.

I think it's even ANS standard.

Also there's a 6809 Camelforth which is or is close to an ANS standard
Forth.

http://www.zetetics.com/camel/camel09.html (the link to the zip file
that is on this page has been broken for a little while, but Brad still
responds to requests for the stuff by email.

Forth is easily ported to a given OS. Somewhere nowhere near the top of
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John R. Hogerhuis | 1 Aug 2005 05:22
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Re: [Color Computer] Still more CoCo USB Was:Re: Coco Digest, Vol 22, ...

On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 22:33 -0400, RJRTTY@... wrote:

>     A USB floppy ,mouse or even harddrive would work but
> not driving something like a modern inkjet printer.    If I remember
> right somebody years ago back on the old princeton list wrote a driver
> for the coco3 to use such a printer to do high resolution screen
> dumps with a serial to parallel 
> converter..     I know it took an obsurd amount of time tho I
> cant remember exactly how much.     I know a 100Mhz 486
> takes about 10 to 15 seconds to do each pass of the printer
> head so a coco3 would probably be well over an hour per page.

I used a HP PCL printer with my coco for years, but I was doing only
text.

The DeskJets are PCL printers, aren't they? As long as you get the
printer to render the page you could do a whole lot, efficiently, with a
modern inkjet printer.

With a page definition language it's just a matter of having a driver
smart enough not to try to send the data as a bunch of teeny dots. The
sheer amount of data is prohibitive. For a screen dump, maybe you could
download it as the actual size in RAM, and then tell the printer to
scale it up for you.

I know for a fact one could do this with any postscript printer. PCL,
I'm not quite as certain.

-- John.

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