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elliott | 1 Jul 2005 21:34
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Re: Left handed dvorak

thanks im the one who was looking for it.

so what are the "home" keys, which fingers hit which keys, im still a
little confused. i dont understand what the colors relate to.

thanks

--- In altkeyboards <at> yahoogroups.com, "Jimmie Hayes" <jimmiecell <at> y...>
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> Someone was looking for an image of the left-handed board with finger
> positioning.  I found this page which should give you a pretty clear
> idea of the typing process on this board:
> http://www.fonlow.com/zijianhuang/kp/dvorakint.html
> 
> If this was already answered, sorry.  I must have missed it.  This
> board is fairly active and I'm a slacker.

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Marcus Brooks | 1 Jul 2005 23:15
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Re: Re: Left handed dvorak

I'm pretty sure the home keys are DTHE, or EHTD, as the case may be. It 
seems the four colors are finger assignments, although I don't know who 
came up with those. I don't remember ever seeing a chart of "official" 
finger assignments. I'll try to look around when I have a chance.
Marcus

On Jul 1, 2005, at 2:34 PM, elliott wrote:
>
> so what are the "home" keys, which fingers hit which keys, im still a
> little confused. i dont understand what the colors relate to.
>
> --- In altkeyboards <at> yahoogroups.com, "Jimmie Hayes" <jimmiecell <at> y...>
> wrote:
>> Someone was looking for an image of the left-handed board with finger
>> positioning.  I found this page which should give you a pretty clear
>> idea of the typing process on this board:
>> http://www.fonlow.com/zijianhuang/kp/dvorakint.html

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dvzine | 2 Jul 2005 12:32
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Re: Hello from DVzine.org

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> One suggestion - maybe it was just me - but I didn't see a way to
> order more than 1 copy using the PayPal link.

Yeah.  Right after we got slashdotted people were ordering like 10 zines at a time and I 
quickly ran out.  With the surplus gone I have to make each zine as the orders come in on my 
laser printer.  So I switched the PayPal link so that you can only order one.  As you pointed 
out though, you can go to the <a href="http://DVzine.org/zine/DIY.html">Street Team 
page</a> and print out as many copies as you want!  That way, if you need multiple copies 
you can just make them yourself!  And I can get more sleep.  :)

If you really want more than one copy though, you can also email us and we should be able 
to accomodate most requests.

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Ryan M. Williams | 2 Jul 2005 14:37

Re: Re: Hello from DVzine.org

dvzine wrote:

> --- In altkeyboards <at> yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Williams" <domhnull <at> r...> 
> wrote:
> > One suggestion - maybe it was just me - but I didn't see a way to
> > order more than 1 copy using the PayPal link.
>
> Yeah.  Right after we got slashdotted people were ordering like 10 
> zines at a time and I
> quickly ran out.  With the surplus gone I have to make each zine as 
> the orders come in on my
> laser printer.  So I switched the PayPal link so that you can only 
> order one.  As you pointed
> out though, you can go to the <a 
> href="http://DVzine.org/zine/DIY.html">Street Team
> page</a> and print out as many copies as you want!  That way, if you 
> need multiple copies
> you can just make them yourself!  And I can get more sleep.  :)
>
> If you really want more than one copy though, you can also email us 
> and we should be able
> to accomodate most requests.
>
> Alec.
>
>
No problem.  The street team version is fine.  That tip about stapling 
on the floor was very helpful.  You go ahead and sleep. :)

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len_raphael | 3 Jul 2005 07:52

dvorak typing = learning disability

ETS educational testing service only gives the GRE exam essay
section at their test centers on their computers. i have not gone to a 
center to see, but email from ETS tells me they are not windows based. 
did not say if linux or unix etc. 

when both my sons were about 8 years old, i taught them dvorak only. 
went great thru college until this obstacle.

irony now is that my sons would have to prove to ETS that only knowing 
dvorak qualified as a learning disability for ETS to consider a request 
for them to even write their essays longhand. (i'm sure ETS wouldnt let 
them type on a laptop or install a keyboard mapper to their pc's.)

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len_raphael | 3 Jul 2005 07:59

Re: ppc ipaq portable dvorak

--- In altkeyboards <at> yahoogroups.com, len_raphael <at> y... wrote:
> use fitaly but sorely miss the key remapping utils/drivers on my old 
> palm external keyboards to use dvorak. there was a dead link on the 
> targus support page to sunnysoft.cz for interwrite. found a czech 
> download of interwrite but no idea if it does what i need and it 
> needs a reg code.

sunnysoft.cz  is alive and selling interwrite for ppc's 02 and 03. you 
have to request their dvorak layout. worked best with wm02 and the 
wired stowaway keyboards.  w the bluetooth stowaway keyboard the 8.5 
ver seems ok but the layout needs some tweeking because the cursor keys 
conflict w the letter z.

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Access Systems | 4 Jul 2005 04:30

Re: dvorak typing = learning disability

On Sun, 3 Jul 2005, len_raphael wrote:

would they allow them to bring a hard wired dvorak keyboard, such as a
small dvortyboard ???

Bob

> ETS educational testing service only gives the GRE exam essay
> section at their test centers on their computers. i have not gone to a
> center to see, but email from ETS tells me they are not windows based.
> did not say if linux or unix etc.
>
> when both my sons were about 8 years old, i taught them dvorak only.
> went great thru college until this obstacle.
>
> irony now is that my sons would have to prove to ETS that only knowing
> dvorak qualified as a learning disability for ETS to consider a request
> for them to even write their essays longhand. (i'm sure ETS wouldnt let
> them type on a laptop or install a keyboard mapper to their pc's.)
>
>
>
>
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Jim Witte | 4 Jul 2005 10:58
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Re: dvorak typing = learning disability

   This would be an interesting question to bring up on a ADA list  
and/or with a lawyer.  Or simply threaten to sue, based on the  
grounds that it is such a simple alteration, and to bring a lawyer in  
wouldn't be worth their time or money..  (of course, this could  
depend on how sensible they are)

Jim

On Jul 3, 2005, at 9:30 PM, Access Systems wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jul 2005, len_raphael wrote:
> would they allow them to bring a hard wired dvorak keyboard, such as a
> small dvortyboard ???
>
> Bob
>
>
> > ETS educational testing service only gives the GRE exam essay
> > section at their test centers on their computers. i have not gone  
> to a
> > center to see, but email from ETS tells me they are not windows  
> based.
> > did not say if linux or unix etc.
> >
> > when both my sons were about 8 years old, i taught them dvorak only.
> > went great thru college until this obstacle.
> >
> > irony now is that my sons would have to prove to ETS that only  
> knowing
> > dvorak qualified as a learning disability for ETS to consider a  
> request
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William Bagwell | 4 Jul 2005 13:54

Re: dvorak typing = learning disability

On Sunday 03 July 2005 01:52 am, len_raphael wrote:
> ETS educational testing service only gives the GRE exam essay
> section at their test centers on their computers. i have not gone to a
> center to see, but email from ETS tells me they are not windows based.
> did not say if linux or unix etc.

Both Linux and Mac are just as switchable as Windows. No idea about Unix, 
guess it would depend on whats running on top. Obviously there would have to 
be a GUI, can not imagine them having the public come in and take tests 
from the command line:)
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Marcus Brooks | 4 Jul 2005 23:03
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Re: dvorak typing = learning disability

Hmmm. I wouldn't even hint at suing unless I've talked to a lawyer and 
know how I stand.

What I'd try first is get my doctor to write a note saying I use Dvorak 
because QWERTY causes me pain, and show it to them. Mention that Dvorak 
is an ANSI standard layout (look around, the number's on a website 
somewhere. If I can find my Cassingham I'll post it). To be perfectly 
honest, you can type a few minutes on QWERTY if you've never tried it. 
It'll probably hurt.

If that doesn't work, then I'd check with a lawyer to make sure the ADA 
applies to that organization, and ask the lawyer how to approach the 
problem.
Marcus

On Jul 4, 2005, at 3:58 AM, Jim Witte wrote:

>    This would be an interesting question to bring up on a ADA list
> and/or with a lawyer.  Or simply threaten to sue, based on the
> grounds that it is such a simple alteration, and to bring a lawyer in
> wouldn't be worth their time or money..  (of course, this could
> depend on how sensible they are)
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Jul 3, 2005, at 9:30 PM, Access Systems wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2005, len_raphael wrote:
>> would they allow them to bring a hard wired dvorak keyboard, such as a
>> small dvortyboard ???
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