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pbrun01 | 4 Mar 2005 22:36
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Dvorak & number keys


Hi Everyone,
    As most of you probably know, the Dvorak keyboard as originally 
conceived in the 1930s had the numbers (and many of the punctuation 
marks) in different places than the modern ANSI version. The numbers 
originally read 7 5 3 1 9 0 2 4 6 8. I was surprised to learn that my 
Northgate Omnikey Ultra can be hard-wired for two different versions 
of the Dvorak layout: the ANSI version and the version with the 
numbers as Dvorak originally designed (although each number is paired 
with the same punctuation mark as found on qwerty keyboards). Do any 
of you type using Dvorak with the original number layout? I'm 
guessing that almost no one would bother. It seems like it would 
cause more problems than it would be worth.
--Peter

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Fred Craven | 4 Mar 2005 23:18

Re: Dvorak & number keys


Peter,

Some time ago I changed the numbers on my Kinesis-Contoured just for the
fun of it. It's not something we really need these days because, today we
have a number pad. That being said, the 7531902468 number pattern has
some interesting advantages.

I suppose it's faster, but when I really need numbers...I use the number
pad on the second keyboard attached to my computer (Sorry Kinesis, the
built in number pad doesn't do it for me) maybe it's because I don't
Numuber-pad-TOUCH-type-typer... I don't know.

Anyway, the shift characters are changed on my keyboard &%#!() <at> $^* along
with the numbers, and this is very nice. For example the  <at>  symbol is in
the place of a numeric 7. it makes typing all those email addresses much
easier. Parenthesis are interesting being split between both hands.

If you use any numbers in security codes, they help to blur quick eyed
folks even more (then just having letters in weird places)
-----

By the way, I'd like to take the moment to let you all know that I have
Dvorak-evangelized grandchildren. Last week I met a guy who started using
Dvorak because of carpal tunnel. He heard of the Dvorak layout from a
friend of his who learned about it from your's truly--I feel so proud.

Fred

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Ben Cohen | 5 Mar 2005 00:11

Re: Dvorak & number keys


My 1934 Royal Standard has it.  The Royal QuietWriter(??) I bought in about 
1961 has it.  (My older daughter has that one.)  In the early 1970's I got 
a Camwil Selectric II element with the ANSI layout.  In the fall of 1982 I 
used SmartKey to convert my Osborne 1 to the ANSI layout.

A convenience of the 7 5 3 1 9 0 2 4 6 8 layout is that years in the 20th 
and 21st centuries are easy to type.

Ben Cohen
Celebrating a half century of Dvorak typing

At 3/4/05 03:36 PM, Peter wrote:
>    As most of you probably know, the Dvorak keyboard as originally
>conceived in the 1930s had the numbers (and many of the punctuation
>marks) in different places than the modern ANSI version. The numbers
>originally read 7 5 3 1 9 0 2 4 6 8. I was surprised to learn that my
>Northgate Omnikey Ultra can be hard-wired for two different versions
>of the Dvorak layout: the ANSI version and the version with the
>numbers as Dvorak originally designed (although each number is paired
>with the same punctuation mark as found on qwerty keyboards). Do any
>of you type using Dvorak with the original number layout? I'm
>guessing that almost no one would bother. It seems like it would
>cause more problems than it would be worth.

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pbrun01 | 5 Mar 2005 00:57
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Re: Dvorak & number keys


Ben,
    Yeah, my Dvorak typewriters also have the 7,5,3... sequence. But 
the original Dvorak punctuation on those machines is baffling to me 
due to my training on the modernized version of the keyboard. I love 
typing on those machines, but I have to look down and hunt for the 
numbers and punctuation marks (except for the period and comma).
   By the way, I would still love to see a photo of your '34 if you 
have a digi-cam. Also, if you have any idea where I can get hold of 
one of those old Camwil Dvorak elements, please let me know.
--Peter

--- In altkeyboards <at> yahoogroups.com, Ben Cohen <BenC <at> L...> wrote:
> My 1934 Royal Standard has it.  The Royal QuietWriter(??) I bought 
in about 
> 1961 has it.  (My older daughter has that one.)  In the early 
1970's I got 
> a Camwil Selectric II element with the ANSI layout.  In the fall of 
1982 I 
> used SmartKey to convert my Osborne 1 to the ANSI layout.
> 
> A convenience of the 7 5 3 1 9 0 2 4 6 8 layout is that years in 
the 20th 
> and 21st centuries are easy to type.
> 
> Ben Cohen
> Celebrating a half century of Dvorak typing
> 
> 
> At 3/4/05 03:36 PM, Peter wrote:
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Paul JJ Alix | 11 Mar 2005 03:35

Numbers


I've been wondering, how does one make use of the Dvorak number system? 
I use a Mac G4 and Dvorak is just a layout I choose. But they give no 
option of a different number system that I am aware.

Paul

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Carl Pearson | 11 Mar 2005 08:12
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Re: Numbers


I believe you'd have to hack your layout, as in most OS's the Dvorak
implementations does not consider numeric rearrangement.

On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 21:35 -0500, Paul JJ Alix wrote:
> I've been wondering, how does one make use of the Dvorak number system? 
> I use a Mac G4 and Dvorak is just a layout I choose. But they give no 
> option of a different number system that I am aware.
> 
> Paul
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tiptyper | 31 Mar 2005 16:19
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When you have 6 keys only, all keys are in the 'home row', under your
fingers waiting to be pressed. 

Letters and numbers have 1 to 3 simultaneous keys: A to F have 1,
G/K/O/S/W have 2 and the rest have 3 simultaneous keys. All letters
are as fast to type when you are familiar with the system.

Seppo

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> I checked out the gkos.net site and I thought this was a joke.  
> There are only six keys -- and one of those home keys is A "K"??
> 
> Not completely unrelated, there's a Palm onscreen keyboard called 
> Message Ease http://www.exideas.com/ that makes use of 9 boxes:
> 
> ANI
> HOR
> TES
> 
> All but the R are in the Dvorak home row.  And all other letters come 
> from those boxes.  I use Message Ease instead of Grafitti.
> 
> Charles
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