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EGD | 2 Feb 2005 03:42
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Re: HELP!!! Dvorak and Esperanto special characters.


Thank you Marco.  I am using Windows.  I think I am using a Unicode
font and I have downloaded a program called EK that has some
potential. But am having a hard time reading the information on
Esperanto.  You see, I am only starting to learn the International
Language and the EK program is writen and documented in Esperanto.
Appreciate your suggestions.  Am getting closer to where I want to
go.
Eduardo

>    Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:47:57 +0100
>    From: Marco Amans <marcoamans <at> yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: HELP!!! Dvorak and Esperanto special characters.
> 
> I assume you work under Windows.
> 
> First you have to use a Unicode font like Arial Unicode.
> Then you have differtent possibilities:
> 
> 1)
> You could try one of Mr. Horne's You keyboards driver, which have 
> deadkeys allowing to type virtually all languages written in latin 
> script (highly recommended).
> http://www.hornetranslations.com/keyboardsenca.shtml
> 
> 2)
> You could use the BabelMap utility:
> http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html
> 
> 3)
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Marco Amans | 2 Feb 2005 09:04
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Re: Re: HELP!!! Dvorak and Esperanto special characters.


EGD wrote:

>Thank you Marco.  I am using Windows.  I think I am using a Unicode
>font and I have downloaded a program called EK that has some
>potential. But am having a hard time reading the information on
>Esperanto.  You see, I am only starting to learn the International
>Language and the EK program is writen and documented in Esperanto.
>Appreciate your suggestions.  Am getting closer to where I want to
>go.
>Eduardo
>  
>
Can you tell us more about EK? Is there a Website for it?

I have forgotten to mention Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator, which you 
can get for free from the www.microsoft.com.
With this utility, you can create your own keyboard layout.

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EGD | 3 Feb 2005 04:56
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Re: Re: HELP!!! Dvorak and Esperanto special characters.


www.esperanto.mv.ru/Ek/
You will find the zipped program on the above site.  All in
Esperanto, though.
Thanks you the tip about tho Microsoft Keyboard Layout.
Eduardo

> Can you tell us more about EK? Is there a Website for it?
> 
> I have forgotten to mention Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator,
> which you 
> can get for free from the www.microsoft.com.
> With this utility, you can create your own keyboard layout.

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Doug MacNaughton | 8 Feb 2005 04:51

Russian keyboard and accents


Dear All:
    I've just finished entering 19 pages of russian verb conjugations
using the standard Russian keyboard.  Oy, I thought Querty was a pain in
the wrists.
    I have a question for those who are more computer smart than I am -
I'm using Microsoft Word ('Turd', as I prefer to call it), and I'm
wondering if there's a way to put accents on the vowels in Russian.  It
isn't necessary for the language, but it's helpful to those learning the
language, as the accent shifts, and drastically affects the
pronunciation.  What I did for the list I just made was to underline,
but it made me think - if the computer can think of underline as
something to add to pre-existing text, can it do the same with an
accent?  Or can I muck about with the underline so that it is an
accent?  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.  And yes, as soon as I
get through this test this week, I'm going to download the keyboard
driver from Horne Translations so I don't do this to my fingers again.
Best wishes,
Doug MacNaughton

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P Scott Horne | 8 Feb 2005 05:50
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RE: Russian keyboard and accents


The only technique that is available in Unicode, using the standard fonts,
works well in theory but not so well in practice. It consists of typing the
letter followed by the appropriate "combining accent mark": an acute in the
case of Russian, a grave in the case of Bulgarian. The software is
responsible for merging the letter and the accent mark correctly. Well, in
the real world, that does not happen. What you get in Microsoft Word is an
accent mark that is usually not aligned correctly.

Although the accent mark is not ordinarily used when writing Russian, it is
essential in Bulgarian to disambiguate one pair of common words (i and i).
Yet no provision for this is made other than the combining accent, which
yields an inferior result.

I recently added these two characters to my international Cyrillic Dvorak
driver. Version 1.2, which I have just made available for downloading,
includes the combining acute (for Russian) on Shift-2 ( <at> ) and the combining
grave (for Bulgarian) on AltGr-Shift-2 (AltGr being the right-hand Alt key).
By typing one of these after the letter, you will get an ugly but functional
accent mark.

I have not yet gotten around to adding these two characters to my Cyrillic
QWERTY keyboard. If anyone really needs them, I may do so; if not, this will
just have to wait.

Scott Horne
www.hornetranslations.com

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n_kph | 14 Feb 2005 11:37
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how do i change ms dos into dvorak.


how do i change ms dos into dvorak in windows me and windows xp?

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Marcus Brooks | 15 Feb 2005 02:08
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Fwd: AllKeys - software for people moving away from the mouse to the keyboard


Hi all,
Liz Hollar was polite enough to ask permission before posting 
information about her new mouse-replacement product. Rather than make a 
decision about allowing the post, I thought I'd just post it myself as 
an item of interest.  Chase the link in her message for more info.
Cheers,
Marcus

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> Hi. My Name is Liz Hollar, and I am from SeventhDigit.  We are 
> launching a
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> the
> mouse and use the keyboard more effectively.  The program has a sixty 
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> trial period and works both on Windows 2000 and XP.  We encourage you 
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> positive), please let us know as we are always striving to improve the
> program.  I, myself, am an RSI sufferer and have been using this 
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mwbrooks42 | 15 Feb 2005 02:17
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Re: how do i change ms dos into dvorak.


--- In altkeyboards <at> yahoogroups.com, "n_kph" <n_kph <at> y...> wrote:
> how do i change ms dos into dvorak in windows me and windows xp?

Try the steps at http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/dos.html

Unless I'm mistaken, ME and 2000 are the same thing. If not, maybe
the steps are similar. Bottom line, the setting is going to be
somewhere under Keyboard or Languages (It moves back and forth
between those two.)

Cheers,
Marcus

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Carl Pearson | 15 Feb 2005 20:35
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Re: Re: how do i change ms dos into dvorak.


Did ME integrate the command prompt into the current region setting?  
Don't recall for sure, I try to avoid that particular offering from MS 
if at all possible.

In '98 you could be running a Dvorak keyboard, but the DAS window could 
still come up Qwerty; you'd have to run a batch file to load the driver 
manually via keyb.

W2K & XP do work the same; whatever current language is selected drives 
the GUI as well as any command prompt window.

Using '98, I had kb.bat to switch from Q to Dvorak...
 <at> echo off
cls
keyb dv,,a:\dvorak.sys
echo Dvorak keyboard active...

and tx.bat to switch back to Q...
 <at> echo off
cls
keyb us,,a:\keyboard.sys
echo QWERTY keyboard active...

I used two different batch files as the same buttons were pushed no 
matter which layout you wanted.  On the keyboard you were always pushing 
K & B (though in Dvorak that maps to T & X)

HTH-
Carl
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Giles | 15 Feb 2005 22:30

Re: Re: how do i change ms dos into dvorak.


On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 01:35:43PM -0600, Carl Pearson wrote:
> Did ME integrate the command prompt into the current region setting?  
> Don't recall for sure, I try to avoid that particular offering from MS 
> if at all possible.

And well you should.  I'm a dedicated Linux user, but have a Windows ME
machine at home (as well as a couple Linux boxes) - the reason being that
it's the only legitimate Windows license I have (and thus the only Windows
machine).  I didn't pay for it either: I spent a lot of time setting up a
friend's new computer and making sure all her files made the migration, so
she gave me the old computer when I expressed an interest in it.  Which
isn't relevant to the discussion, but most ME users feel compelled to
excuse themselves for owning such an egregious piece of software.

> In '98 you could be running a Dvorak keyboard, but the DAS window could 
> still come up Qwerty; you'd have to run a batch file to load the driver 
> manually via keyb.

I changed the keyboard driver for the GUI to Dvorak, but the driver for the
DOS boxes has remained Scholes.  I haven't been using the box enough to
have gotten around to dragging out my old drivers.  So apparently ME is
more closely related (at least in this regard) to Windows 98 than to
Windows 2000.  It really did get the worst of both 98 and NT.

Now that I've been reminded how to change the DOS box driver I'll have a
crack at it.  If I get anything other than the expected behaviour I'll post
to the list.

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