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Aroleon Grunow | 1 May 2004 03:48
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Re: Predictive Text Input for big computers

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:11 am, daivz wrote:
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> What thoughts?

You could test your idea in Microsoft Word or OpenOffice.org using 
AutoCorrect. Make up a bunch of words and stick them in the database 
and see how it goes.

I did a google search on "predictive text -phone" and came up with a lot 
of interesting stuff. Check out this link:

http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/

which might already be the software you're looking for.

Personally, I prefer the time between keystrokes because it allows me to 
think about where the next key is, and what word I'm going to type 
next.

Regards,

aro

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Jim Witte | 2 May 2004 07:39
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"Sensory-visual integration" aided by *seeing* the Dvorak layout?

   Well, I just rearranged the teycaps on my laptop to match Dvorak 
(after practicing the layout for a few yearo just touch-typing.  I'm 
wondering if having the keys there that I can actually *see* would help 
in setting up the muscle-memory that takes over when you type common 
words (and after a while, most words become common words - there are 
after all, only about 800-2000 words in English that are used 
commonly?).  I think in might, just being able to see the various 
"shapes" the hand takes when typing certain words.   I do find however 
that I have to conciously "avoid" the tempation to look at home-roe 
Dvorak keys, even though I know them like the back of my hand :)  
Perhaps the learning of the "shapes" is why I tend to look more than I 
should at the home row - so I can see the relationship of those keys to 
the rest in the movement.

Jim Witte
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Aroleon Grunow | 4 May 2004 13:40
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Re: "Sensory-visual integration" aided by *seeing* the Dvorak layout?

On Sun, 2 May 2004 03:39 pm, Jim Witte wrote:
> I do
> find however that I have to conciously "avoid" the tempation to look
> at home-roe Dvorak keys, even though I know them like the back of my
> hand :) Perhaps the learning of the "shapes" is why I tend to look
> more than I should at the home row - so I can see the relationship of
> those keys to the rest in the movement.

Jim, I found that having a small (business-card size) printout of the 
keyboard attached to the *top* of the screen helped me. That way, if 
you get stuck, you look *up* to see where the keys are, rather than 
down at the keyboard, and your hands learn to go to the right place 
without you having to look at the keyboard. Your head doesn't move as 
much; a glance up is enough to remind you which finger and where the 
key is.

hope this helps,

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pbrun01 | 5 May 2004 01:54
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Re: "Sensory-visual integration" aided by *seeing* the Dvorak layout?

Hmmm... That's an interesting question. Two add my two cents, I would 
have to say that if re-arranging the keys helps you to learn or 
imagine "hand-shapes" (and if that improves your typing ability) then 
re-arranging the keycaps is worth it. Everyone learns differently I 
guess. 

I too have wondered about the relationship or difference between 
letters and words when learning to touch-type. When you finally learn 
the position of each letter on the keyboard, it's frustrating not to 
have as much speed as you would like. As speed and accuracy levels 
gradually build, is the improvement due simply to your mind and 
muscles being able to activate individual keys more quickly in 
sequence? Or are you learning the common familiar words? (Learning 
and memorizing how to string the letters together into words?) 
Probably it's a mysterious combination of the two. Hopefully Dr. 
Dvorak's book--which I am reading--will contain information on this. 
To me it seems that even the best typist in the world would not be 
able to maintain high speed and accuracy whilst copying text made up 
of nonsense words or randomly generated characters.

From a practical standpoint, having the keycaps re-arranged is nice 
if you just need to type a character or two, you don't have to assume 
home-row position to find them. Then there's the issue of having 
pride in the Dvorak layout and having the keycaps actually reflect 
the layout that you use.
--Peter

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KC Garrison | 7 May 2004 09:16

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Craig Richmond | 7 May 2004 09:27
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Re: Important News

At 7:16 +0000 7/5/04, KC Garrison wrote:
>WTF does this have to do with alternative keyboards?

While the yahoogroups spam filter catches most of it (meaning I'm the 
only one who gets a copy of it), it isn't infallible and this is one 
that slipped through.

The only real alternative is to switch the group to a moderated group 
where individual posts are approved.  I certainly don't have the time 
or inclination to manage that process so I think we'll just have to 
live with the occasional piece of spam slipping through.

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Jim Witte | 7 May 2004 18:45
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Re: Re: Important News

> The only real alternative is to switch the group to a moderated group

   What about only allowing members of the group to join?  Or are 
spamers "joining" the group?  Then, set up a Perl script somewhere that 
when a spam comes in and is noticed by a member and sent to some 
website, will automatically kick the offending email address off the 
altkeyboards list.

    A bigger fear is - do the Yahoo archives have our email addresses in 
them (surely not)?  Because if the spammers are joining the group, then 
they have access to the archives..

Jim

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Bobjonescityu | 7 May 2004 23:04
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Re: Re: "Sensory-visual integration" aided by *seeing* the Dvorak layout?

It is an interesting question.

My understanding, from the most convincing stuff I have read, is that what is learnt in touch typing is the
word sequence. So it is best to learn by typing stuff you usually type. (Don't bother about the numbers if
you mostly type words.) This learning takes place below the conscious level. The mind in the fingers.

So although I have typing Dvorak since 1991, I cannot do it by hunting and pecking. I just rest my fingers on
the keys and the fingers remember what to do.

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Bobjonescityu | 7 May 2004 23:13
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Re: "Sensory-visual integration" aided by *seeing* the Dvorak layout?

It is possible my typing tutor might help this problem. Because it has the keyboard up on screen so you
naturally look at that. 

And it absolutely does not matter if you look at the keys occasionally.

The tutor is now at beta stage in a smallish zip file. I will email it to anyone interested.

But email me at bobcity <at> blueyonder.co.uk

My aol email is now only used by my children or me when I want to look at our network.

If the webmaster is reading could he please transfer my account to blueyonder, which I asked for a few months ago.

Cheers

Bob Jones

In an email dated Sun, 2 May 2004 5:39:40 am GMT, Jim Witte <jswitte <at> bloomington.in.us> writes:

>   Well, I just rearranged the teycaps on my laptop to match Dvorak 
>(after practicing the layout for a few yearo just touch-typing.  I'm 
>wondering if having the keys there that I can actually *see* would help 
>in setting up the muscle-memory that takes over when you type common 
>words (and after a while, most words become common words - there are 
>after all, only about 800-2000 words in English that are used 
>commonly?).  I think in might, just being able to see the various 
>"shapes" the hand takes when typing certain words.   I do find however 
>that I have to conciously "avoid" the tempation to look at home-roe 
>Dvorak keys, even though I know them like the back of my hand :)  
>Perhaps the learning of the "shapes" is why I tend to look more than I
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