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Eero af Heurlin | 17 Nov 2003 14:48
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twiddler2 (usb)

hello everyone,

Just got my new twiddler2 but I have a slight problem, I need to 
reprogram it so that I can sensibly use scandinavian characters.

I spent some time with google but could not find any reprogramming tools 
that work in either Linux or w2k (and with the USB model).

I noticed there were some optimized keymaps for the old twiddler 
available, anyone here know if they work with the twiddler2 (could be a 
good starting point when adding the scandinavian scan-codes) ?

Any other good advise for a newbie ?

/Eero
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Eduard Werner | 24 Nov 2003 00:32
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qwerak?

Hi,

I'm the new kid on the block. I'm a linguist, 38 years old, and ca. 4 years 
ago problems with my hands/forearms appeared due to excessive (touch) typing.
I was barely able to type more than a few lines before the pain would become 
unbearable, so unbearable that I swung the bucks for a datahand although at 
that time I was next to broke. Funny enough, I could resume work 
*immediately*, so I got another datahand for the office. I still like them a 
lot and use them every day exclusively -- I still get problems with my hands 
after a few minutes on a "normal" keyboard. Right now, I need another 
keyboard and as I like experiments, I'm considering the orbitouch.
(Anyone out there with hands-on experience?) 

Today, I saw the qwerak layout being mentioned but I couldn't find it 
anywhere. Could anybody tell me how it looks like?

Cheers

Edi
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Access Systems | 24 Nov 2003 01:20

Re: qwerak?

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Eduard Werner wrote:

DVORAK!

Bob
> 
> I'm the new kid on the block. I'm a linguist, 38 years old, and ca. 4 years 
> ago problems with my hands/forearms appeared due to excessive (touch) typing.
> I was barely able to type more than a few lines before the pain would become 
> unbearable, so unbearable that I swung the bucks for a datahand although at 
> that time I was next to broke. Funny enough, I could resume work 
> *immediately*, so I got another datahand for the office. I still like them a 
> lot and use them every day exclusively -- I still get problems with my hands 
> after a few minutes on a "normal" keyboard. Right now, I need another 
> keyboard and as I like experiments, I'm considering the orbitouch.
> (Anyone out there with hands-on experience?) 
> 
> Today, I saw the qwerak layout being mentioned but I couldn't find it 
> anywhere. Could anybody tell me how it looks like?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Edi
> 
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Heathcote, Tom | 24 Nov 2003 16:45

RE: qwerak?


Qwerak is (was?) a 'compromise' between the common-but-inefficient
QWERTY layout and the efficient but very-different-from QWERTY (and
therefore unfamilier to most people) Dvorak layout.  The idea was to
provide something that gave some of the advantages of Dvorak but would
be more familiar to QWERTY users.

It is not a standard layout, and was only offered by one keyboard
manufacturer.  And I'm not even sure whether they still offer it.  There
does not seem to be any mention of it on their website any more
<http://www.fingerworks.com/layouts.html>

The Qwerak layout looks (looked?) like this:

 !    <at>    #   $   %        ^   &   *   (   )   _   +    
 1   2   3   4   5        6   7   8   9   0   -   =

   Q   W   J   P   ;        Y   G   K   R   L   [   ]

     A   S   E   I   U        D   H   T   N   O   '   \

       Z   X   C   V   B        F   M   ,   .   /

Personally, I don't think it has any future.  If you want something
different from QWERTY, then Dvorak is probably the way to go.

You might also take a look at ergonomic keyboards like the Kinesis or
Maltron. 

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Thomas Tempé | 24 Nov 2003 16:42
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Re: qwerak?


Eduard Werner <edi.werner <at> gmx.de> writes:

> Hi,
>
> Today, I saw the qwerak layout being mentioned but I couldn't find it 
> anywhere. Could anybody tell me how it looks like?

It's available on the touchstream flat keyboards, they should have
diagrams on their websites.
http://fingerworks.com

It's a compromise between Dvorak and Qwerty: a Dvorak-like home row,
but most of the other keys stay the  same. Since the least frequently
used keys are harder to learn, it could be a meaningful approach...

I'm not aware of it being widely used.

Have fun,

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users.  Let's keep threatening the world with our divisive,
controversial use of letter arrangement in typing.

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Tom Dawkins | 24 Nov 2003 19:06

RE: Digest Number 437

I also considered the Orbitouch.  They were pushing the qwerty layout
to ease the learning curve!! This is one place that Davork thinking 
should be applied.  The learning curve will be passed then you will 
want a less movement keyboard.  With a little thought the Orbitouch 
could be made left or right handed with a 180 degree rotation.

Thomas Dawkins

>   Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:32:36 +0100
>   From: Eduard Werner <edi.werner <at> gmx.de>
>Subject: qwerak?
>
>Hi,

>I'm the new kid on the block. I'm a linguist, 38 years old, and ca. 4 years 
>ago problems with my hands/forearms appeared due to excessive (touch) typing.
>I was barely able to type more than a few lines before the pain would become 
>unbearable, so unbearable that I swung the bucks for a datahand although at 
>that time I was next to broke. Funny enough, I could resume work 
>*immediately*, so I got another datahand for the office. I still like them a 
>lot and use them every day exclusively -- I still get problems with my hands 
>after a few minutes on a "normal" keyboard. Right now, I need another 
>keyboard and as I like experiments, I'm considering the orbitouch.
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Eduard Werner | 24 Nov 2003 22:52
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Re: qwerak?

Póndźelu 24 nowembra 200316:45, Heathcote, Tom pisaše:
> Qwerak is (was?) a 'compromise' between the common-but-inefficient
> QWERTY layout and the efficient but very-different-from QWERTY (and
> therefore unfamilier to most people) Dvorak layout.  The idea was to
> provide something that gave some of the advantages of Dvorak but would
> be more familiar to QWERTY users.
>
> It is not a standard layout, and was only offered by one keyboard
> manufacturer.  And I'm not even sure whether they still offer it.  There
> does not seem to be any mention of it on their website any more
> <http://www.fingerworks.com/layouts.html>
>
> The Qwerak layout looks (looked?) like this:
>
>
>  !    <at>    #   $   %        ^   &   *   (   )   _   +
>  1   2   3   4   5        6   7   8   9   0   -   =
>
>
>    Q   W   J   P   ;        Y   G   K   R   L   [   ]
>
>
>      A   S   E   I   U        D   H   T   N   O   '   \
>
>
>        Z   X   C   V   B        F   M   ,   .   /

Thanks, that was what I was looking for.

>
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eiaorcoj | 25 Nov 2003 03:52
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New Spanish Maltron-interested listmember

Hi all!

I'm an 23 years old spanish guy and new in this mailing list. I love 
Linux, i am a freaky and I want to learn about maltron and Dvorak 
keyboards.

I'm specially interested on maltron keyboards... Their speed 
improvement, error-avoiding improvements, cost, drivers for 
Linux, Windows and MacOs (in that order of importance).

Anybody spanish here? :D (I haven't found spnish mailing lists about 
that :(  ).

I have read that beautiful kinesis maltron keyboards are worse than 
simple maltron ones.

PD: Where I can find a Matron keyboard for 0$ or less XDDD?. 
(Obviously it's a joke XDDD)

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Paul Martzen | 26 Nov 2003 03:31

Datahand keyboard reprograming

>
Lots of people tweak the Dvorak layout to suit their particular 
needs.    Some people rearange the i and u.   Some people and some 
languages use some consonants a lot more than others, so they locate 
those particular letters in easier to reach locations.    That is one of 
the beauties of Dvorak.  Once you reject  the sacred perfection of 
Qwerty and realize that the keyboard layout can be altered to suit your 
needs you have the freedom to improvise however you need.    If you can 
not move the period and comma keys, just leave them where they are and 
move the keys that can be moved.

    Somebody on this list can probably make a dvorak layout for you that 
leaves the comma and period keys in their Qwerty positions.    Gaining 
the Dvorak home row  with  all the vowells is the key.   Tweaking a few 
consonants on the upper and lower rows will not make a big difference 
and will be easy to adjust to.

Does the datahand have its own software to reprogram keys, or will you 
need to use Operating System drivers?    Windows drivers?

Paul Martzen
Fresno, CA

>    From: Eduard Werner <edi.werner <at> gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: qwerak?
>
> I have a datahand I'm very satisfied with. Only I can't reprogram it 
> for the
> Dvorak layout because the keys with the , and . don't react to the 
> Shift key.
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Eduard Werner | 26 Nov 2003 08:38
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Re: Datahand keyboard reprograming

Srjedu 26 nowembra 200303:31, Paul Martzen pisaše:
> Lots of people tweak the Dvorak layout to suit their particular
> needs.    Some people rearange the i and u.   Some people and some
> languages use some consonants a lot more than others, so they locate
> those particular letters in easier to reach locations.    That is one of
> the beauties of Dvorak.  Once you reject  the sacred perfection of
> Qwerty and realize that the keyboard layout can be altered to suit your
> needs you have the freedom to improvise however you need.    If you can
> not move the period and comma keys, just leave them where they are and
> move the keys that can be moved.

That's something I only now understood after seeing the dvorak layout datahand 
offers with the professional II edition.

>     Somebody on this list can probably make a dvorak layout for you that
> leaves the comma and period keys in their Qwerty positions.    Gaining
> the Dvorak home row  with  all the vowells is the key.   Tweaking a few
> consonants on the upper and lower rows will not make a big difference
> and will be easy to adjust to.

I guess I will be able to do it myself.

> Does the datahand have its own software to reprogram keys, or will you
> need to use Operating System drivers?    Windows drivers?

The "simple" one I have uses the operating system drivers. It just connects 
like a normal keyboard/mouse. I don't recall whether there were any drivers 
for windows (I'm a linuxer anyway) but it behaves just fine under linux and 
windows. The Professional II is completely reprogrammable as I understand it.
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