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Daniel Smith | 5 Apr 2007 14:51
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danitaz | 10 Apr 2007 17:50
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Yanoff questions and comments

This group seems a bit quiet, so hopefully someone will be around to
help :)

I have a few questions/comments on Yanoff.

1.  Is there a way to mark all messages in a group as "read" - I
thought the "mark all" was it, but later realized that this is not the
case.  I would like a way to look at the list of messages, read those
I want to, and then mark the rest as "read".  Oh - I see a "button"
option that can do this - maybe I can just create a button for it! 
Would be nice if this were a menu so I wouldn't have to use up a
button for it.

2.  Personally, I'd like to be able to see the subject, sender and
date on all messages as I read them.  Toggling back and forth to the
header doesn't seem "logical" to me for this basic information.  I
realize that this is probably not possible - so for a future version
(if one is still in the works).

3.  Also for a future version - it might be better to not call the
buttons calendar, phone app, tasks, etc., because on my Treo 680 they
are totally different :) - I've figured it out now, but it was
interesting at first to try to sort out which buttons mean what on my
Treo.

4.  Some of the button items don't seem to be available where I would
expect them.  For example, if I'm reading an article, I would like to
"read to" next thread - but I don't see that possible.  Is a "read
(kill) thread" really going to "kill" the thread as in "not download
it" again later?  Or is this really what I'm looking for - just mark
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Marc D. Field | 11 Apr 2007 17:41

Re: Yanoff questions and comments

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:50:30 +0000, danitaz wrote:
> 1.  Is there a way to mark all messages in a group as "read" - I
> thought the "mark all" was it, but later realized that this is not the
> case.  I would like a way to look at the list of messages, read those
> I want to, and then mark the rest as "read".  Oh - I see a "button"
> option that can do this - maybe I can just create a button for it! 
> Would be nice if this were a menu so I wouldn't have to use up a
> button for it.
> 

I'm not sure whether this helps, but here's what I do:  I go through the
list of messages and read the ones I want to.  If I make it through the
entire list, I then do a "delete all unlocked."  If I don't make it
through the list, I do a "delete on up," which will delete the current
article and all the ones above it in the list.  I have both of these
actions set to a soft button on my article list screen.

> 2.  Personally, I'd like to be able to see the subject, sender and
> date on all messages as I read them.  Toggling back and forth to the
> header doesn't seem "logical" to me for this basic information.  I
> realize that this is probably not possible - so for a future version
> (if one is still in the works).
> 

This is not possible in the current release, and without using 2 lines or
a really small font, I don't think all that info would fit.  I have a
button set to toggle header/body view in the article body screen so at
least if I want to see more info, I can get it easily.

> 4.  Some of the button items don't seem to be available where I would
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Danita Zanre | 11 Apr 2007 19:29
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Re: Yanoff questions and comments

>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at  9:41 AM, in message
<pan.2007.04.11.15.41.23.235694 <at> fieldinternet.com>, "Marc D. Field"
<yahoo <at> fieldinternet.com> wrote: 
> I'm not sure whether this helps, but here's what I do:  I go through the
> list of messages and read the ones I want to.  If I make it through the
> entire list, I then do a "delete all unlocked."  If I don't make it
> through the list, I do a "delete on up," which will delete the current
> article and all the ones above it in the list.  I have both of these
> actions set to a soft button on my article list screen.

It doesn't really work for me to delete what I've already read.  I work in support newsgroups, and I often need
to look at the parent messages, etc. to clarify things.  I am cleaning out articles over 10 days old once a
day, but I need to be able to "keep" messages in the newgroups.  I have found a "mark all read" option for a
button, so that's fine.

>> 4.  Some of the button items don't seem to be available where I would
>> expect them.  For example, if I'm reading an article, I would like to
>> "read to" next thread - but I don't see that possible.  Is a "read
>> (kill) thread" really going to "kill" the thread as in "not download it"
>> again later?  Or is this really what I'm looking for - just mark this
>> thread as read, but I'll still get new downloads for it?
>> 
> 
> The buttons are fully configurable (at least in the paid version), so you
> can re-program them to work the way you like.  For me, this is one of the
> best things about Yanoff, because I've got all the commands I use for each
> screen set to a soft or hard button, and I never need to go to a menu for
> every day newsreading tasks. Kill has the meaning you'd expect from a
> desktop newsreader, i.e., do not download this thread anymore.
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Gregg Woodcock | 12 Apr 2007 05:52

Re: Yanoff questions and comments

"danitaz" <danita <at> caledonia.net> wrote in message
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> This group seems a bit quiet, so hopefully someone will be around to
> help :)
>
> I have a few questions/comments on Yanoff.
>
> 1.  Is there a way to mark all messages in a group as "read"

Yes, but not by menu.  This function is only availble as a soft or hard
button which is configurable from the "ButtonAction Prefs" screen.

> I thought the "mark all" was it,

Mark all sets the "Mark" flag on all articles.  You can then do things to
"marked" articles (such as read, delete, etc.)
There is not very much room for menu items and I had to pick the most useful
ones for the menus.
I suspect that you don't really desire to mark them read anyway, but rather
that you desire to delete them.
It is very uncommon that marking un/read is actually useful in itself; it is
generally done as a preparation for some kind of deletion operation...

> I would like a way to look at the list of messages, read those
> I want to, and then mark the rest as "read".

Tap the "(i)" icon in the upper left for help info for each screen.
What you desire to do is described in the help texts.
You should set the "Tap Action" in "Misc Prefs" to "lock" then, as you
scroll through the article list screen, you tap on the articles you wish to
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Gregg Woodcock | 12 Apr 2007 05:56

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"Danita Zanre" <danita <at> caledonia.net> wrote in message
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> Well, the buttons are configurable with whatever options are there right?

Correct.

> Or are you saying that I can create new options for buttons myself.

No; this is not possible.

> I purchased the product yesterday, but don't have my license yet.

Check your mailbox! :>
This is a semi-manual process due to SNAFUs on the PayPal side that they
won't admit exist.  I am out of town so I didn't check yesterday...

> This is unfortunate.
> It would be nice instead of "poll article number" it was "poll message ID"
> those are readily available in the header page, so maybe someday this
could be added :)

I'll add this in the next release (trivial) but I don't know when it'll come
out.
The existing function was added for debugging purposes but I saw no reason
to remove/restrict it, even though it is not particularly useful.

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Katy Mulvey | 11 Apr 2007 20:04

Re: Re: Yanoff questions and comments

Danita Zanre wrote:
> It doesn't really work for me to delete what I've already read.  I work in support newsgroups, and I often
need to look at the parent messages, etc. to clarify things.  I am cleaning out articles over 10 days old once
a day, but I need to be able to "keep" messages in the newgroups.  I have found a "mark all read" option for a
button, so that's fine.
>   

The "delete read" option only deletes "read" messages that are not 
locked. So you could lock the messages you want to save for future 
reference.

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Danita Zanre | 12 Apr 2007 16:15
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Re: Yanoff questions and comments

Gregg,

All in all, this is a very good app, and I was quite pleased with the functionality (even surprised in some
instances).  So, while I have "wishes" I can't say that there is a lot to really "complain" about.  You might
get more input from me over time.  I work in support, and I sometimes feel like a "professional" beta tester! 
I don't really expect Yanoff to be a desktop replacement, so don't ever feel like I'm trying to be
"unreasonable" when I bring up ideas - they are just "perfect world" wishes <g>.  And of course, a lot of it is
just over time coming up with "new ways" to do "old things" - it's easy at first glance to say "this isn't
working well for me" and then over time finding that by simply changing the WAY you do something comes up
with the same results and works just fine when you get used to it!

> It is very uncommon that marking un/read is actually useful in itself; it is
> generally done as a preparation for some kind of deletion operation...

Well it is for me <g>.  As I said, I don't delete any messages because I need to go back often to check previous
messages, and not always things I know in advance that I should keep  - and of course, I won't use the phone as
my only/primary NNTP reader.  So if I've been using the PC for 3 or 4 days, and then need to use the phone (for
example I'll be "on the road" for 5 days next week), I'll want to download the messages, but then mark them
all read to "catch up".  I will rarely delete messages outright - I will use the "purge old articles"
instead.   "Mark all read" is a fairly common thing I do, even in my PC reader.

Here's some examples of how I work, and how Yanoff could work "better" for me (but as I say, a lot of it is just
learning over time how to adjust HOW I do things).  For example, someone else might be handling an issue just
fine, and then a later message makes me think "hmmmm - that's not quite right, it should be xyz" - but it's
only 10 messages into the thread where I feel like jumping in <g> - so I don't know in advance that I will need
the parent of THAT particular message until later, so by not deleting things as I read them I can still go
back and look.

I can see that in "casual" NNTP usage this wouldn't be terribly important, but for the kind of work I do it's
very important to keep some history.  Of course we discourage a lot of unnecessary quote-back because NNTP
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