Vincent Keunen | 1 Nov 21:24 2007
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Shadowplan for the iphone?

Hi,

When are we going to have ShadP on the iPhone?... :-) Easier said
than done, I guess... I suppose there would be a lot of rewrite, but
I'm seriously considering the iPhone and the app I would miss most is
ShadP (I use it for gtd - it's therefore vital for me). This tells
you ho much value I attribute to ShadP - it's just an excellent piece
of software.

Vincent

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Philip Bogdonoff | 2 Nov 16:20 2007

PCMag Thinks Palm Should Open Source Palm OS + rebuttal


This is a slight rebuttal of Lance Ulanoff's appeal to open source the Palm OS.

PCMag Thinks Palm Should Open Source Palm OS
http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/8291/pcmag-thinks-palm-should-open-source-palm-os/

You can read Lance's original column here:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2191350,00.asp

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Peter Bulthuis | 3 Nov 18:17 2007
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RE: Shadowplan for the iphone?

> Hi,
>
> When are we going to have ShadP on the iPhone?...

The problem with iPhone is, that it won't allow third party software.

Peter

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the56a1 | 3 Nov 23:51 2007
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Shadow Plan on N800

Is there anyway to use shadowplan on a Nokia N800? If not now, do you
have plans to make it available?

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Daniel E. Venditelli, jr. | 4 Nov 07:58 2007
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Re: Shadowplan for the iphone?

While certainly the case for non-web-based apps currently, that may not be
necessarily true in the near future. There's been some buzz about third
party software certification programs and even hints at distribution through
iTunes.

On 11/3/07, Peter Bulthuis <mailinglisten <at> kpnplanet.nl> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > When are we going to have ShadP on the iPhone?...
>
> The problem with iPhone is, that it won't allow third party software.
>
> Peter
>
>
>

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mruseless2 | 5 Nov 18:38 2007
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Re: Slow performance on 755p

Great! Definitely post here if you come up with a solution/update. I
would love to go back to Shadow if possible.
E

--- In shadow-discuss <at> yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <skeezix <at> ...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, mruseless2 wrote:
>
> # I've found that Shadow is basically unuseable for me with this
> # slowdown issue. Every tap, every keypress (except when entering text),
> # every line movement, has at least a 1/2 second delay (750ms sounds
> # right to me, although I didn't measure it).
> #
> # Unfortunately I've got to find something that works. SplashNotes works
> # fast and has a desktop app and conduit that doesn't give me problems
> # like Shadow's. SplashNotes doesn't have as many bells and whistles,
> # but for list management, its fast and stable.
>
> Agreed and terrible! I am hoping to have a device to screw with
> for development soon, so I can at least offer an out-of-band patch.
I am
> hoping to know if I can grab a device in a few days!
>
> jeff
>
> --
> If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be
no war.
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Jeff Mitchell | 6 Nov 19:47 2007

Re: Shadowplan for the iphone?

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Vincent Keunen wrote:

# When are we going to have ShadP on the iPhone?... :-) Easier said than
# done, I guess... I suppose there would be a lot of rewrite, but I'm
# seriously considering the iPhone and the app I would miss most is ShadP
# (I use it for gtd - it's therefore vital for me). This tells you ho
# much value I attribute to ShadP - it's just an excellent piece of
# software.

Several thoughts..

I'm betting the lads over at StyleTap are working on a port of
that platform..

I am watching the iPhone keenly; when it first hit the streets,
the Palm OS developers were universally annoyed at the closed nature of it
all. Apple pushign for everyone to develop web apps was a shocker -- since
data coverage is both very expensive and AT&T has spotty coverage anyway,
its just a bad idea. Here in Canada, a data plan will run you $40 or $50 a
month for unlimited data.. ouch! So web applications simply aren't
feasible.

(Let us hope the new Google phone platform, and the iPhone, will
strongarm the telcos into halfway sensible data plan price structures.)

I would love to make a web based Shadow (the only real sensible
cross platform environment anymore is the browser), but not likely
feasible just yet. This leaves native code. (And again, insert my rant
about _every darned gadget needing total rewrites_. Too much pain for
developers.)

So here I and other Palm OS devs look to the early months of 2008
with great interest, when Apple is supposed to release an SDK. Things to
watch for -- given Apple has based everything on OSX lately, and OSX is
Unix based, I'm right at home; lets hope they keep the development
environments as good as they have with OSX. But let us hope they don't
strangle the sales point.

ie: Palm dev worked because Palm Company didn't control the
applications; anyone could build an app, and sell it; Palm's cut was by
selling gadgets. Nowadays, mobile developers get strangles since the
telcos want absolute control -- this is why ringtones cost several bucks a
shot, when you can buy a high quality mp3 for a fraction of the price.
Telcos want the cash, and they want absolurte control. For your usual
phone, you can get only a dozen applications the telco permits, and the
developes of those apps are lucky to make 5% on each sale. For Palm, it
was a total free for all until the 'ESDs' (stores like PalmGear) took
over; they caused a lot of pain, but at least it was free market.

It is widely expected Apple will try to control the application
market.. buy and download and sync applications via iTunes and the store.
It makes sense even -- Apple gadget users go to iTMS all the time, so why
not keep everything in one convenient place?

The question becomes then -- will Apple require devs to jump
through hoops; pay for certification and logos, pay for testing, pay a
large chunk for the privielege to run on the device (digital signing,
etc).

So it very mcuh depends on that -- will Apple strangle or
encourage? We'll have to see.

At least they're a smart bunch, and often do cool things, so lets
keep our fingers crossed.

The day the SDK comes out, if it looks good, I'm getting an iPod
Touch to dev for (should be same as iPhone; we can't get iPhones here,
unless we hax0r them.. which I might do, too.)

jeff

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Jeff Mitchell | 6 Nov 19:48 2007

RE: Shadowplan for the iphone?

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, Peter Bulthuis wrote:

# > Hi,
# >
# > When are we going to have ShadP on the iPhone?...
#
# The problem with iPhone is, that it won't allow third party software.

Until February.

The question I have for them .. I (and all mobile developers) are
very sick of having to recode for every platform. OSX already has a
"Trolltech QT" cross platform system for it .. I seriously hope Apple is
working with Trolltech to get QT ported to the iPhone. That would make me
smile.. it would mean a large portion of the Shadow codebase would be
ready to go.

(So it'll never happen ;)

jeff

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Jeff Mitchell | 6 Nov 19:51 2007

Re: Shadow Plan on N800

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, the56a1 wrote:

# Is there anyway to use shadowplan on a Nokia N800? If not now, do you
# have plans to make it available?

I used to know the answer, but I forget now; baby brain :P

Its Linux based IIRC, so should be potentially very doable. I
wonder if they do Dev device handouts...

jeff

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Jeff Mitchell | 6 Nov 19:51 2007

Re: Re: Slow performance on 755p

On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, mruseless2 wrote:

# Great! Definitely post here if you come up with a solution/update. I
# would love to go back to Shadow if possible.

I imagine on a hacked one, someone will port CoPilot (Palm OS
emulator) :P

jeff

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