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Jonathan R | 2 Jul 2006 05:58
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Time-Reason to switch?

Thanksfor your responses about my frustration with
Palm's poor platform support - especially Anita and
Kevin. More thoughts below...

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Posted by: "Kevin" giberson <at> earthlink.net kgiberson4
    Date: Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:34 pm (PDT)

I too switched to a Mobile PC device, but found it was
a short lasting switch.  The lack of programs to
choose from was the first downer, then to find those I
could choose didn't have near the options as the Palm
programs, and thus my short lived switch ended and
I've not looked back to this point in time a year
later.

Cost me money to make the switch, from my pda, phone,
and the various programs I desired.  I get frustrated
with Palm too, but have learned the key is to get the
important programs that are stable and try to stay 
away from the desire to add and delete other programs.
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Kevin, your experience is sobering; I *will* move
slowly in this. I had wondered if StyleTap would would
allow me to keep using Shadow and another
irreplaceable app, Participate, from Handshigh
Software - great for teachers. I have not been
fiddling with the configuration of the T3 for almost a
year. T3s, though, are suffering a digitizer problem
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rschnur2000 | 1 Jul 2006 21:09
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Cannot open SP file on Palm

I have been using Palm devices for about 9 years now, and I am a power
user. I purchased Shadow Plan about 2 months ago, and have been using
it extensively with "Getting Things Done" system. It has been working
great. I have basically one large file called "Projects", where I keep
a hierarchical list of projects and to-do items. The list has about
275 entries. Today when I attempted to open the list, I received the
message:

"Bad Load! The list could not be loaded!" 

Can you please help me? Is the file corrupted? Is there some way to
view the file off the handheld (besides the desktop, because it will
not sync)? 

I have become somewhat dependant on this system. I backed it up
yesterday, but I just finished adding a number of things to the list
today, and I do not want to lose them. 

Thanks!

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hatestupidemailids | 1 Jul 2006 05:36

Re: I give up on Palm-alternatives to Shadow?

Sure, now you tell me! (-:

I went to the web page, and my guess that it's a Palm emulator 
running unders Windows Mobile. I've seen 'problems' in the past with 
such in the sense that the emulator is a completely closed in 
environment.

When you run SP this way, is it able to link outside of StyleTap into 
Pocket Outlook? Calendar, etc.

Or, are the results of your SP entries getting propogated back into 
your Windows desktop Outlook?

(Sync'ing, in an emulator, through the host Windows Mobile, to the 
desktop MS Windows, seems just a little weird.)

--- In shadow-discuss <at> yahoogroups.com, Donald Stidwell 
<donald.stidwell <at> ...> wrote:
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> 
> On Jun 30, 2006, at 6:23 AM, Anita Lewis wrote:
> 
> > On 06/29/2006 08:56 PM Jonathan R wrote:
> >
> >> All,
> >> I am a several-year user of Shadow. I love Shadow but
> >> am mad at Palm and convinced that they will not
> >> change. I've lost my loyalty to Palm and respect for
> >> their little-guy status.
> >>
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ajreiki | 2 Jul 2006 20:42
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Re: Cannot open SP file on Palm

rschnur2000 wrote:

>I have been using Palm devices for about 9 years now, and I am a power
>user. I purchased Shadow Plan about 2 months ago, and have been using
>it extensively with "Getting Things Done" system. It has been working
>great. I have basically one large file called "Projects", where I keep
>a hierarchical list of projects and to-do items. The list has about
>275 entries. Today when I attempted to open the list, I received the
>message:
>
>"Bad Load! The list could not be loaded!" 
>
>Can you please help me? Is the file corrupted? Is there some way to
>view the file off the handheld (besides the desktop, because it will
>not sync)? 
>
>I have become somewhat dependant on this system. I backed it up
>yesterday, but I just finished adding a number of things to the list
>today, and I do not want to lose them. 
>
>Thanks!
>  
>

One answer might be that there is something on the list that is odd, 
like a web page for example.  Did you put anything on there like that, 
or is it just text that you put in.  I take it that you entered it on 
the Palm itself since you cannot view it on the desktop. 

What version of both Palm and Desktop do you have by the way?
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Donald Stidwell | 2 Jul 2006 21:27
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Re: Re: I give up on Palm-alternatives to Shadow?


On Jun 30, 2006, at 11:36 PM, hatestupidemailids wrote:

> Sure, now you tell me! (-:
>
> I went to the web page, and my guess that it's a Palm emulator
> running unders Windows Mobile. I've seen 'problems' in the past with
> such in the sense that the emulator is a completely closed in
> environment.
>
> When you run SP this way, is it able to link outside of StyleTap into
> Pocket Outlook? Calendar, etc.
>
> Or, are the results of your SP entries getting propogated back into
> your Windows desktop Outlook?
>
> (Sync'ing, in an emulator, through the host Windows Mobile, to the
> desktop MS Windows, seems just a little weird.)
>

There's the rub. I use Shadow solely as an outliner and I get my  
files onto my Pocket PC by dragging and dropping the Shadow PDB files  
via the Missing Sync (I use a Mac. On a PC, I'd use Active Sync).  
Sync conduits do not NOT work with StyleTap.

Since I only use SP as an outliner (the exact same way I used it when  
I owned a Palm device) I have never tried to do any linking. I just  
now tested it and it doesn't. Since the built in Palm PIM DB's aren't  
present there's nothing to link to. I know that DateBK5 does work  
with StyleTap and and I'd imagine that with DB5 loaded, you could do
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Jeff Mitchell | 2 Jul 2006 23:46

Re: Re: I give up on Palm-alternatives to Shadow?

On Sun, 2 Jul 2006, Donald Stidwell wrote:

# Since I only use SP as an outliner (the exact same way I used it when I 
# owned a Palm device) I have never tried to do any linking. I just now 
# tested it and it doesn't. Since the built in Palm PIM DB's aren't 
# present there's nothing to link to. I know that DateBK5 does work with 
# StyleTap and and I'd imagine that with DB5 loaded, you could do the 
# linking with SP. However, there's still no way to get the DB5 data to 
# your desktop since there's no synchronisation between StyleTap and the 
# desktop.

	I've been bugging the StyleTap guys to expand their tool.. turn it 
into a 'platform' more than a Palm OS emulator. ie: They should support 
Pocket PC resolutions as virtual Palm resolutions, so that Palm OS apps 
could use the full display of the Pocket PC. Support options to allow the 
Palm OS app to use Pocket PC fonts and control the Pocket PC virtual 
grafitti.. and use menus at the bottom instead of the top. Voila, a Pal OS 
app that looks and feals more like a Pocket PC app. Intgrate the clipboard 
between the OSes, and allow linking and such to work as one expects.. they 
could make it so that rewriting apps from scratch on Pocket PC isn't 
necessary.

	They're intrigued by the idea, but slow moving on it .. I've been 
slowly working on a Pocket PC version of the applicatoin, but its still a 
ways off yet. (Shadow Desktop is of course designed to work with such an 
eventuality.)

# Honestly, if you want to go the Windows Mobile route and retain the  
# functionality that you have in Shadow with linking, you'd have to use  
# a Windows Mobile outliner. The problem is none of the ones I've used
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Jeff Mitchell | 2 Jul 2006 23:40

Re: Cannot open SP file on Palm

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006, rschnur2000 wrote:

# I have been using Palm devices for about 9 years now, and I am a power
# user. I purchased Shadow Plan about 2 months ago, and have been using
# it extensively with "Getting Things Done" system. It has been working
# great. I have basically one large file called "Projects", where I keep
# a hierarchical list of projects and to-do items. The list has about
# 275 entries. Today when I attempted to open the list, I received the
# message:
# 
# "Bad Load! The list could not be loaded!" 
# 
# Can you please help me? Is the file corrupted? Is there some way to
# view the file off the handheld (besides the desktop, because it will
# not sync)? 

	A couple things here ..

	"Bad load" .. is damned rare (ie: few will ever see it), but these 
days it is almost always caused by bugs in the OS (yay!) .. the main one 
being where you copy a file out to SD and try to open it from there. (In 
the latest round of devices, Palm broke their OS routines for moving files 
to and from SD cards. Files with 'deleted' records and other stuff can 
sometimes refuse to import back to RAM. Brilliant :/) For folks who see 
Bad Load, it almost always is that case.. loading it from SD and Shadow 
can't fetch it through the OS. (Due to bugs like that, I often tell people 
now to keep files in RAM, and apps and toss-away data on SD.. like mp3s, 
web feeds, etc.)

	If it is trashed somehow or another in RAM (super rare!), then it
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Jeff Mitchell | 2 Jul 2006 23:48

RE: ShadowPlan on my Lifedrive


	I've not had reports of many crashes from LD folks, except the 
'normal LD crashes' :) The LD is a pretty nifty device, but it does have 
some nits that get in there (mostly due to tight RAM due to all its hard 
drive caching and such.) Most crashes I've researched turn into 'too much 
stuff in memory' .. some apps forcully staying in cache to keep speed up, 
but making other apps unable to fit, or background tasks, or mods/hacks .. 
things getting into the OS. Shadow plays by the rules pretty carefully, 
but with the LD especially.. it is easy for various apps to fight with 
each other :/

		jeff

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Kevin wrote:

# Interesting comment, as I have a LifeDrive that I used daily, and not one
# crash from SP.
# 
# My guess is you are either using an old version of SP or some other programs
# or files are causing your problem.
# 
# >From various forums have heard of crashes due to certain launcher programs,
# and one of the two main PIM programs too.
# 
# If you have the current alpha/beta running, then I think you need to look
# elsewhere for your problem.
# 
# Kevin
# 
#
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Jeff Mitchell | 2 Jul 2006 23:52

Re: Help! SP files apparently gone - or at least, off the file list!


	Every once in awhile since the latest OS has come out, this sort 
of thing comes up (and not just with Shadow); theres some bug in the OS 
where when it copies files between flash ram and cache or the like that it 
can crash, and when you reboot.. the file is gone. This is so terribly 
rare that I've not gotten enough reports to observe a pattern.. I think 
I've seen about 5 or 6 reports total, 2 or 3 from one person. A couple of 
those were crashes in _other applications_, and Shadow files (among 
others) had vanished.. so it makes little sense. Few ever see such a 
thing.

	Since the last year of devices (all very good, but a little 
flaky!) I suggest always using a backup tool (I use BackupMan.)

	I know every month or two I will wake up in the morning and check 
my meetings.. and find 70% of my files missing. (ie: ZLauncher will 
appear, and all or most apps present.. but addresses, Shadow files, 
games.. you name it.. just gone.) So for me, sometime in the night, it 
occurs.. but thats different, since its most files not just one or two :P 
In those cases I just restore and go (I have BackupMan do a nightly 
backup.)

	(I do not think it is BackupMan as the cause, but its possible :P)

		jeff

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, hatestupidemailids wrote:

# I was creating a link to a contact in Shadow when all of a sudden, 
# poof, soft reset. Come back to Shadow - no files listed for opening!
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Donald Stidwell | 3 Jul 2006 00:28
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Re: Re: I give up on Palm-alternatives to Shadow?


On Jul 2, 2006, at 5:46 PM, Jeff Mitchell wrote:

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> # Jeff has made said he's working on a WM version of Shadow IIRC, but
> # it will most likely be a LONG time before it sees the light of day.
>
> 	I could release a wimpy version 'earlier', or a full featured one
> later; I am torn .. people expect much from me due to the long Shadow
> history, but at the same time.. it may be better to just get  
> something on
> the table, to provide a side-grade path.. even if it is inferior a  
> tool.
> *shrug* (course, 'competition' would love to bemoan an inferior  
> launch.)

Oh, don't even go there, please! Release a good version when it's  
ready. I can live with Shadow under StyleTap until then! (Although I  
don't think you have to worry too much about the competition in the  
WM world. I'm pretty sure I tried every program that can possibly be  
a competitor and the closest I found to Shadow is TreNotes which is  
still not in Shadow's league).

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