This thread is probably long dead, but I just wanted to say:

I have a Treo 650 without a camera, and a piece of foil tape over my
infrared port to comply with draconian office policies. It is worth the
effort to call Verizon, special order the phone, return the one the send you
with the camera and place another order until they get it right. Repeat when
the headphone port goes bad. Repeat again when the headphone port goes bad.

I used to carry a cell phone, Palm Vx (up until I got my Treo - it worked,
what can I say?), and an iPod.

Now I keep it all in one device clipped to my belt or in an inner jacket
pocket, including music and audio books. Life is good.

--tag

On 1/21/07, Roger Prokic <rprokic <at> pobox.com> wrote:
>
> And I'm still waiting for my first Treo. I can't have a camera at work.
> I'm hoping Palm will sell the 680 without a camera.... Soon.
> ---
> Roger Prokic
> Baltimore, Maryland USA
>
> -=[ This email was sent from a Palm TX palm computer using SnapperMail
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I didn't get the below from Yahoo, but I saw it posted on another list. I
was one of the ones affected. Some messages were posted to the group that
appeared on the web that were never sent to me in email.

This might have happened to you.

I just approved a message, and it appeared both in my email and on the web.

I am going to try to find the ones that I didn't get, and post them in
case others missed them too.

Brenda, one of the moderators (see below for message from Yahoo)

From February 28 about 2:30 p.m. (Pacific time) until March 1 about
11:15 a.m. (Pacific time) (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/),
some members of some groups were not receiving email. Some members of
some of these groups were able to see the posts on their group archive
on the Web, but were not receiving them via email. Groups mail
delivery is back to normal as of about 11:15 a.m. (Pacific time). We
now have more information about what caused this.

While we were working on an improvement to our email delivery systems,
email delivery was inadvertently suspended for some members of some
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while messages posted to affected groups during this time were saved
to group archives, the messages cannot now be delivered via email. If
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info about Archive settings:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/messages/messages-16.html), your
members can
access the undelivered messages via the Web.
If your group's archives are not open to your members, you may want to
suggest that your members resend any messages they had sent between yesterday
afternoon and this morning, if they want to ensure that all members of the
group
receive them.

Yesterday's work was part of our ongoing efforts to improve the
performance of Yahoo! Groups and was not supposed to involve any
downtime for users. The delivery glitch was the result of human error,
and because it only affected some members of some groups, it delayed
both our awareness of the problem and our efforts to resolve it. We
sincerely regret the inconvenience it may have caused.

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Hello all. Lurker piping up here. Need your expertise!

My faithful Treo 90, which has served me for many years, certainly far
beyond it's life expectancy, and has come back from what appeared to
be certain death at least twice before, has finally kicked the bucket.

So I need to get a replacement ASAP. But trying to find a good deal
when you NEED something is difficult - I just want to buy the first
thing I see!

I don't need a phone or camera built in. I use DateBook5 (I think I'm
on 5...) and HandyShopper above everything else. And solitaire.
<smile> I would love to still have an attached (thumb) keyboard - even
if it is an attachment I have to buy separately.

I remember learning that some PDAs could be used with my wi-fi
connection at home. That would be cool.

Also would be nice - but I think this makes it cost prohibitive - if I
could work on spreadsheets and documents on the handheld. But then it
needs to be a Pocket PC, right? Which is a whole 'nother level of
product, right??

What about refurbished models that come directly from Palm (or
whatever brand)? Can they be trusted?

TIA!

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Re: Must buy new PDA - Opinions needed quickly

a couple of options...
with documents to go, you can edit doc files and spreadsheets with a palm.

I'm not aware of a currently marketed treo 90 type palm with a
built-in thumb board. you could get a used treo 650 off of ebay and
not use the phone ~$200.

Depending on your preference, you could get a Palm Tx and folding
keyboard (not thumb board) that connects wirelessly. Tx has wifi. ~250
for new palm.

good luck

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Re: [GtD_Palm] GTD -- Cult connection

Brenda, thanks for the great summary on this whole topic.

I don't believe in or practice MSIA myself, but I am a religious person.
I'm not going to judge David, the MSIA or their beliefs.

With that stated, I find it almost humorous that people are attempting to
tie MSIA activities to GTD principles.

Taking this quote for example:

From a post, "GTD is a creation of whole team of MSIA people who designed
it, and are selling it. It exists not just on the level of alleged
personal organization. It also exists on a META-LEVEL, in terms of what
they are trying to DO to you, without your awareness. Take 5 steps back,
and look how its designed, sold, promoted, and the up-selling to MSIA
linked services.
One thing that David Allen said that was true...there is more to GTD than
first meets the eye. Have a look under the hood."

Now there is a person you could sell a bridge to! ;) The only comments that
David makes that are remotely similar to anything "meta-level" are around
what happens to tasks when your conscious mind forgets about them yet you
have never successfully brought them to completion (or put them somewhere
that you TRUST will eventually bring them to completion). Does that scare
people? It's so true. This is stress management 101 and just common
sense. Just because something isn't immediately on your conscious mind
doesn't mean it is not somehow subconsciously stressing you out! I can
guarantee you that David isn't the first person to come up with that
concept!

In regard to up-selling to MSIA linked services, so what? If David believes
in MSIA, he has every right to do that. It shows his dedication towards
what he believes in. If you don't believe in it, don't buy into it. It's
that simple. It's no different than someone trying to raise money for their
local church.

GTD is nothing but a common sense approach to organizing your day to day
life. There are no "hidden messages" in its principles or concepts. Anyone
that tries to tell you otherwise is reading FAR to much into this and must
have a lot of time on their hands so they don't need GTD to begin with ;).

Discrediting David because he believes in MSIA is like discrediting your
doctor because he is Jewish (or any other religion that you don't practice
yourself).

That's my $.02. Trying not to come off harsh here but seriously, let's have
an intelligent conversation based on facts rather than exaggerated personal
interpretation.

I'm open to anyone that wants to attempt to change my mind by debating the
topic and actually showing me proof beyond theory.

For those of you that have abandoned GTD all because of this, I think you
are making a mistake in your own personal growth and organization.

- SG
(Reposing note, I cut off the quoted material at the bottom because it was
the entire post - Brenda)

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Re: GTD -- Cult connection

--- In GtD_Palm <at> yahoogroups.com, "Silicon Ghost" <palm <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Brenda, thanks for the great summary on this whole topic.

Thanks. I tried to do it in a balanced way without using wording that
would offend people.

> I don't believe in or practice MSIA myself, but I am a religious person.
> I'm not going to judge David, the MSIA or their beliefs.

I am a religious person too. That is why the topic is important to me. I
like to know what a person's religious beliefs are.

The person doesn't have to have the same beliefs as me.

Actually someone can offend me even if they have the *same* beliefs as
me... There is a particular person on one of the cable news channels that
I can't stand, even though I share his beliefs. My mom likes him. I try to
tell her if she didn't agree with him, she would be able to see how
terrible he treats people. I don't care if I agree with him, I still can't
stand him. I try to point out the creepy stuff he does, but she can't see
past the point that she agrees with him.

On the other hand, finding out what someone's beliefs are can make me look
at the information they provide in a different way.

For example, let's say your doctor said your child did not need pain
medication after surgery. He says your child is crying because he is just
trying to get out of going to school. You might think, ok my kid is faking
it. But then you find out he was one of the doctors that think children
don't feel pain. His belief just became very important. You might even
change doctors because of it. You'd be mad. (Yes, I have heard there are
doctors that think children don't feel pain.)

> David makes that are remotely similar to anything "meta-level" are around

Well I believe the post-er was talking about stuff we have no information
on, like what happens in a seminar.

> what happens to tasks when your conscious mind forgets about them yet you
> have never successfully brought them to completion (or put them somewhere
> that you TRUST will eventually bring them to completion). Does that scare
> people? It's so true. This is stress management 101 and just common
> sense. Just because something isn't immediately on your conscious mind
> doesn't mean it is not somehow subconsciously stressing you out! I can
> guarantee you that David isn't the first person to come up with that
> concept!

I don't think this is what he means by "meta level". I think he is
referring to things like what a hypnotist would do to you. (I have read
some on Nuero Linguistic Programming [NLP]) You don't have to be in a
trance for someone to affect your brain on a deep level.

> In regard to up-selling to MSIA linked services, so what? If David
believes
> in MSIA, he has every right to do that.

Yes, he does. But the posts I was reading said that the services are not
identified as being MSIA related.

Remember that it hasn't been verified that David is even selling any MSIA
related services.

> It shows his dedication towards
> what he believes in. If you don't believe in it, don't buy into it. It's
> that simple. It's no different than someone trying to raise money for
their
> local church.

It is ok to me if he sells the stuff as long as he properly identifies
where it comes from.

> GTD is nothing but a common sense approach to organizing your day to day
> life. There are no "hidden messages" in its principles or concepts.

I don't think the people think there are hidden messages in GTD itself,
but that it is on add-on stuff... that we have not verified as having
happened. I am not going to go by a few posts on the internet as proof.
They didn't even provide an incident, like "I went to the seminar on this
date and here is what happened."

> Discrediting David because he believes in MSIA is like discrediting your
> doctor because he is Jewish (or any other religion that you don't practice
> yourself).

Well I think it depends on the beliefs and on the subject matter.

For example, what if your boss, who you respected, told you Mary Jane is
not a good worker? You might believe it. But then what if you found out
Mary Jane is black and your boss is actually a racist? Now you would
realize he probably thinks she is a bad worker because he is racist
against black people. You would also lose respect for your boss. You would
doubt what he said in the future.

(You might not think that is a religious example, but some racists treat
their beliefs like a religion.)

In my case, GTD never really worked for me. But I don't blame David or his
beliefs for that. His beliefs don't change my opinion of his work. But if
I found out that it was true he was pushing a cult, it would make me want
to break off all ties with him.

> That's my $.02. Trying not to come off harsh here but seriously, let's
have
> an intelligent conversation based on facts rather than exaggerated personal
> interpretation.

I was hoping to be able to have an intelligent conversation but usually
topics like this just turn into a flame war.

> I'm open to anyone that wants to attempt to change my mind by debating the
> topic and actually showing me proof beyond theory.

I haven't found any proof beyond the fact that it is true that David is
involved with MSIA.

If he really is recruiting people into a cult, then I would have a problem
with that. So far all we have is accusations of that.

> For those of you that have abandoned GTD all because of this, I think you
> are making a mistake in your own personal growth and organization.

They probably aren't on the list anymore.

I don't see anything wrong if someone wanted to get out of GTD if David's
beliefs conflict with their beliefs.

You can't expect everyone to share your beliefs, but there can be a point
where their beliefs are so against yours that you have to separate
yourself from the people. (Such as my examples above of the doctor and the
boss.)

It can be seen as being closed minded, but it is impossible to be open
minded on everything, and wouldn't even be healthy. For example, most
people are sure that murder is wrong. It is not open for discussion. They
are closed minded to the topic of murder being wrong. If someone tried to
tell them murder was ok, they would think that person was insane.

Brenda

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I've been soldiering along with a Tungsten E for several years now and only in the last few months have found a need for wireless connectivity.
Mrs. has a T/X and it does everything she needs, and then some. PLUS it has wireless (which we have yet to get to work at home because of all the security measures our tech person installed....)

Tom

----- Original Message ----
From: "brenda <at> brendagann.com" <brenda <at> brendagann.com>
To: GtD_Palm <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 10:37:28 PM
Subject: [GtD_Palm] Missing post 1 of 4 Must buy new PDA - Opinions needed quickly

Hello all. Lurker piping up here. Need your expertise!

My faithful Treo 90, which has served me for many years, certainly far

beyond it's life expectancy, and has come back from what appeared to

be certain death at least twice before, has finally kicked the bucket.

So I need to get a replacement ASAP. But trying to find a good deal

when you NEED something is difficult - I just want to buy the first

thing I see!

I don't need a phone or camera built in. I use DateBook5 (I think I'm

on 5...) and HandyShopper above everything else. And solitaire.

<smile> I would love to still have an attached (thumb) keyboard - even

if it is an attachment I have to buy separately.

I remember learning that some PDAs could be used with my wi-fi

connection at home. That would be cool.

Also would be nice - but I think this makes it cost prohibitive - if I

could work on spreadsheets and documents on the handheld. But then it

needs to be a Pocket PC, right? Which is a whole 'nother level of

product, right??

What about refurbished models that come directly from Palm (or

whatever brand)? Can they be trusted?

TIA!

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Well said Brenda and SG,

I entertained myself by following a long string on this subject on the
43 folders site. Frankly, the definition, even the official
definition, of what makes a cult is silly. Every, repeat every,
religion I've ever done or read about has at least one cult-like
aspect. Heck, there is one anti-cult website that lists AA as a cult!

GtD is the best organizing principle I've found and I love organizing
systems, well, setting them up. I'm not so great at following them
which is why I like GtD. Even though I haven't gotten it in 100% use,
my worklife has done a 175 degree turn-around.

Catherine

On 3/1/07, brenda <at> brendagann.com <brenda <at> brendagann.com> wrote:
> Re: [GtD_Palm] GTD -- Cult connection
>
> Brenda, thanks for the great summary on this whole topic.

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Harold - what did you mean by "It has taken about 3-4 months to stabilize
the T|X, but I think we're getting along okay by now." I'm asking because I
just got a TX last month and I'm not having any trouble with it.

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