robert bauer | 16 Feb 14:31 2012
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Supertesters - Make, accept, nominations

We are in need of supertesters to promote packages on Extras.  This is a crucial function which is currently suffering because the list of supertesters and promotion rules have not been updated in a long time.  [url]http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2012-January/028825.html[/url]

Of the [URL="https://garage.maemo.org/projects/qatesters/"]current list[/URL], I propose to keep Andre Klapper and Harald Schmitt because they continue to be involved.  If anyone has been involved and I missed it, please speak up.  I'm sorry and you will be kept as well.

For new supertesters, we should have people who have a demonstrated interest in maemo and ability to test maemo packages.  It is vital that supertesters are trusted members of the community.  A single supertester will be able to promote someone else's (not their own) package. [U]Please feel free to suggest different or more objective criteria for supertesters.[/U]

So far the following have been nominated:

Pali
freemangordon
nicolai
merlin19xx
MAG

Rob

(This has also been posted on the forum.)

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robert bauer | 16 Feb 14:35 2012
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TSG for CSSU?

Hello

I propose a TSG (Technical Steering Group) for CSSU - 3 community members meritocratically selected from within the project who will oversee initial decision making over such things as project management, release dates, features, architecture and roadmap. To the extent it means anything, Council can delegate some of its authority so that the TSG can hopefully address related administrative tasks directly and more quickly without Council intervening on its behalf. I propose that the TSG membership is reviewed with the same frequency as Council - every 6 months.

The main reasoning being that a TSG will make the project clearer to the rest of the community. I have sometimes seen the project get delayed because MohammedAG is temporarily unavailable, and that there is uncertainty or lack of input over how some decisions get made, etc. I'd also like people to see more clearly how to address the project with their ideas and contributions.

Rob

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Andrew Flegg | 16 Feb 14:54 2012

Re: TSG for CSSU?

On Thursday, 16 February 2012, robert bauer <nybauer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> I propose a TSG (Technical Steering Group) for CSSU [...]. I have sometimes seen the project get delayed because MohammedAG is temporarily unavailable, and that there is uncertainty or lack of input over how some decisions get made, etc.

What did MohammadAG say to this proposal? He was the only person who stepped up to do this, and has since been joined by merlin1991 et al. The Community Council are a facilitating body, rather than an owning body, so it's in your remit to assist MAG in this, if he's asked for help. But I don't think you have the power for a "hostile" takeover, which is why I'm asking. Of course, the CSSU could always be forked - but that's dependent on having someone to do the work.

It's "doers" that Maemo, and the CSSU is missing, not people to sit by the sidelines and direct. For example, the stable branch came out because someone was willing to put in the work to define how it should be created, how it should be managed and then to do that. Many people *said* there should be a stable Maemo 5 CSSU, but if someone isn't willing to help with the work, so what?

What would the CSSU TSG do? Can you give concrete examples? As a *technical* steering, how would candidates' eligibility be established so that a sensible and consistent set of architectural decisions would be made?

Thanks in advance,

Andrew


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<div><p>On Thursday, 16 February 2012, robert bauer &lt;<a href="mailto:nybauer <at> gmail.com">nybauer@...</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I propose a TSG (Technical Steering Group) for CSSU [...]. I have sometimes seen the project get delayed because MohammedAG is temporarily unavailable, and that there is uncertainty or lack of input over how some decisions get made, etc.<br><br>What did MohammadAG say to this proposal? He was the only person who stepped up to do this, and has since been joined by merlin1991 et al. The Community Council are a facilitating body, rather than an owning body, so it's in your remit to assist MAG in this, if he's asked for help. But I don't think you have the power for a "hostile" takeover, which is why I'm asking. Of course, the CSSU could always be forked - but that's dependent on having someone to do the work.<br><br>It's "doers" that Maemo, and the CSSU is missing, not people to sit by the sidelines and direct. For example, the stable branch came out because someone was willing to put in the work to define how it should be created, how it should be managed and then to do that. Many people *said* there should be a stable Maemo 5 CSSU, but if someone isn't willing to help with the work, so what?<br><br>What would the CSSU TSG do? Can you give concrete examples? As a *technical* steering, how would candidates' eligibility be established so that a sensible and consistent set of architectural decisions would be made?<br><br>Thanks in advance,<br><br>Andrew<br><br><br>-- <br>Andrew Flegg -- mailto:<a href="mailto:andrew@..." target="_blank">andrew@...</a>&nbsp; |&nbsp; <a href="http://www.bleb.org/" target="_blank">http://www.bleb.org/</a><br><br></p></div>
robert bauer | 20 Feb 14:43 2012
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Re: TSG for CSSU?

I've responded on the forum.  Sorry, but I just can't keep up with two separate communication paths. 

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82372

Rob

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Andrew Flegg <andrew <at> bleb.org> wrote:
On Thursday, 16 February 2012, robert bauer <nybauer <at> gmail.com> wrote:
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> I propose a TSG (Technical Steering Group) for CSSU [...]. I have sometimes seen the project get delayed because MohammedAG is temporarily unavailable, and that there is uncertainty or lack of input over how some decisions get made, etc.

What did MohammadAG say to this proposal? He was the only person who stepped up to do this, and has since been joined by merlin1991 et al. The Community Council are a facilitating body, rather than an owning body, so it's in your remit to assist MAG in this, if he's asked for help. But I don't think you have the power for a "hostile" takeover, which is why I'm asking. Of course, the CSSU could always be forked - but that's dependent on having someone to do the work.

It's "doers" that Maemo, and the CSSU is missing, not people to sit by the sidelines and direct. For example, the stable branch came out because someone was willing to put in the work to define how it should be created, how it should be managed and then to do that. Many people *said* there should be a stable Maemo 5 CSSU, but if someone isn't willing to help with the work, so what?

What would the CSSU TSG do? Can you give concrete examples? As a *technical* steering, how would candidates' eligibility be established so that a sensible and consistent set of architectural decisions would be made?

Thanks in advance,

Andrew


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