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David McBride | 1 Feb 01:05

Re: fork()

Eric Sandall wrote:

> Instead of forking, why not just pick up the y-windows project as it
> is and continue it with the community? This way you get to keep the
> name, website, etc. Of course you'll want to contact Mark (and
> possibly Andrew) about this and try to get their permission, but I see
> you've already done that and gotten no response. In that case, I'd try
> to keep this community going with this name instead of forking. If
> Mark (the legal owner of y-windows, AFAIK) comes by and says, "Hey, I
> own this name and I don't want you using it." then we can just grab
> our code we've done and rename the project.

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No-one, despite all the noises about using this SCM or that SCM, 
forking, setting up wikis or any of the other suggested contributions 
has actually written and published any patches.

Indeed, there's no point in asking for permission to take over ownership 
of any of the existing project management gadgets -- all of the 
important components (explanatory website, mailing list, SCM) are 
already in place and basically run themselves.  They're not the 
bottleneck; they will scale far beyond their current load.

The rate-limiting factor is that no-one's writing code.  And unless that 
changes, playing about with project management widgets -- or worse, 
trying to pursuade everyone to downgrade to an inferior SCM because you 
find Arch too hard to use -- will not help the project progress.

[ Hint: if you can't drive a relatively simple SCM tool like Arch, then
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Richard Hills | 1 Feb 02:05

Re: fork()

On Wed February 1 2006 00:05, David McBride wrote:
> <mode style=blunt>
>
> No-one, despite all { ... bluntness ... } no-one's going to pay you any 
attention.

	Agreed entirely. To try and motivate some development, I suggest:

1. Take the wxYWin library I started writing ages ago:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/ywin-extralib/

2. Pick your favourite wx application (see http://www.wxwidgets.org/).

3. Actually do some coding to expand Y to support the application.

	Go on! It could be fun!

Regards,

Richard
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Gautam Dey | 1 Feb 03:24
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Re: Y-devel Digest, Vol 15, Issue 6

Hi Kristian,

> Hi Jerrit
>
> On Mo, 2006-01-23 at 18:00 -0500, Jerrit Erickson wrote:
>
>> [..] We/I really ought to be a handbook for this stuff.
>> Something along the lines of life with qmail or the gentoo handbooks
>> that walks through a setup from scratch, in painstaking detail, just
>> to get new people running Y without having to go through this sort of
>> thing.
>>
>
> That sounds good. Maybe you can put that article into the new Wiki?
>
>
> Kristian
>

Where is the wiki. I went to the www.y-windows.org web site and  
clicked on community wiki,
but that just sent me to http://y-win-wiki.jciteassist.org/  which  
looked more like those domain parking
websites.

Is the URL correct? If it is not what is the correct URL.

Thank you,

Gautam.
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gumono | 3 Feb 15:32
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Re: Re: Y-devel Digest, Vol 15, Issue 6

Gautam Dey <gdey <at> mac.com> schrieb am 01.02.06 03:33:48:
> 
> Hi Kristian,
> 
> Where is the wiki. I went to the www.y-windows.org web site and  
> clicked on community wiki,
> but that just sent me to http://y-win-wiki.jciteassist.org/  which  
> looked more like those domain parking
> websites.
> 
> Is the URL correct? If it is not what is the correct URL.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Gautam.
> 

Same problem here. And the domian parking is there for a long time now.
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Chris Rawnsley | 3 Feb 18:26
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Re: Y-devel Digest, Vol 15, Issue 6

You must have skipped over it. Robert Boehme has set up a new website at :
http://y-windows.neroneus.de/phpBB2/
http://y-windows.neroneus.de/y-wiki/

Of course, the later is the new wiki.

Hope that helps,
Chris

Gautam Dey <gdey <at> mac.com> schrieb am 01.02.06 03:33:48:
>
> Hi Kristian,
>
> Where is the wiki. I went to the www.y-windows.org web site and
> clicked on community wiki,
> but that just sent me to http://y-win-wiki.jciteassist.org/  which
> looked more like those domain parking
> websites.
>
> Is the URL correct? If it is not what is the correct URL.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Gautam.
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Kristian Mueller | 5 Feb 18:44
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Re: Re: Y-devel Digest, Vol 15, Issue 6

Hi Gautam

On Di, 2006-01-31 at 18:24 -0800, Gautam Dey wrote:
> > That sounds good. Maybe you can put that article into the new Wiki?
> Where is the wiki.

Robert installed one at
http://y-windows.neroneus.de/y-wiki/

Maybe we should use this one - as the one linked to y-windows.org is
down as you said.

Regards
Kristian
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Russell Whitaker | 6 Feb 04:47

Re: fork()


On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, Richard Hills wrote:

> On Wed February 1 2006 00:05, David McBride wrote:
>> <mode style=blunt>
>>
>> No-one, despite all { ... bluntness ... } no-one's going to pay you any
> attention.
>
> 	Agreed entirely. To try and motivate some development, I suggest:
>
[..]

I'm suprised this mailing list still works. The original Y might as well
be dead. Some thoughts as to why:

   The original concept was good. Well thought out.
   But:
     1. No or bad management.
        the Linux kernal is succesful because there is a manager that
        does a good job doing management.

     2. Bad attitude.
        not likely to hold down a job of any importance.

     3. Original code with a gazillion patches.
        what works?  what don't?  enough to discourage a newcomer from
        joining the ranks.

I wish you luck.
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Martin Franco | 13 Feb 05:28

ideas

* Widgets don't seem to have a property for focus yet.  I was thinking
  maybe add "canFocus" and "hasFocus" to widgetInitialize
  (in Y/widget/widget.c) and explicitly setting "canFocus" to 0 where it
  doesn't make sense (like window and label).
  Any thoughts?

* How much work would it be to do virtual screens like in X window
  managers?

Also, is anyone working on anything right now?
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Kristian Mueller | 13 Feb 22:46
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warning: inline function used but never defined

Hi 

FYI

Compiling libYc++ with gcc 4.0.3 20060104 I get the following warning:

cc1plus: warnings being treated as errors
./Y/c++/message.h:45: warning: inline function
'Y::Message::Member::~Member()' used but never defined
./Y/c++/message.h:45: warning: inline function 'Y::Message::Member&
Y::Message::Member::operator=(const Y::Message::Member&)' used but never
defined
./Y/c++/message.h:45: warning: inline function
'Y::Message::Member::Member(const Y::Message::Member&)' used but never
defined

I could fix this warning in previous cases by just declaring empty
constructors and destructors but the = operator here scares me... ;)

As http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=20584 states this is a
gcc problem.

Disable the -Werror option in /libYc++/Makefile to handle it like a
warning.

Greetings from Shanghai
Kristian
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Diman Todorov | 20 Feb 18:57
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current status

what's the current status of y-windows?
is the tar ball on the web site the latest version or is the arch  
site further along
today i fixed the 0.2.1 release to compile on my fedora amd64 (it had  
a few evil
assumptions on the word size :)
i am planning to continue coding for y-windows but i'd prefer to  
write my code
for the latest  version of y-windows
how do i go about submitting patches to the project?

best regards
diman todorov
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