Hello

Hello my Name is Robert.

Is someone out there still working on y-windows ?

regards, robert.

Re: Hello

On 1/3/06, Robert Boehme <Robert-Boehme <at> gmx.de> wrote:
> Hello my Name is Robert.
>
> Is someone out there still working on y-windows ?
>
> regards, robert.
>
>

There's a few people who seem to have some back-burner projects going
for various improvements to the existing y-win code, but in the
overall it is quite stale from lack of interest.

-- Brandon

Hello everyone - New Maintainer ?

Hello Brandon,
is there any sign that Mark Thomas is still listening to the mailings 
lists or just doing anything for the Project.
Or did he abandoned it ?

If the Project is abandoned i would like to takeover the maintenance of 
y-windows.
I'm not a perfect programmer but my knowledge is good enough to write 
patches and addons for y-windows.
In my current position i got the needed time to recooordinate the 
project for a second approach in development.
My special interessts and abilities are in network engineering so i can 
handle a lot of network connectivty problems in y-windows with ease.

Everyone who reads this is free to tell his opinion about my plans.

kind regards and best wishes for the new year,
Robert.

Brandon Black wrotes:

>On 1/3/06, Robert Boehme <Robert-Boehme <at> gmx.de> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hello my Name is Robert.
>>
>>Is someone out there still working on y-windows ?
>>
>>regards, robert.
>>

Re: an alternative

Forgive me for posting off-topic, but folks interested in y-win might also
be interested in the open source project we're doing...

airWRX includes a screen server that maintains a view model in SVG, and
hands updates of that model to any number of connected screens. The server
can hold multiple models, so different screens can look at the same or
different views. Each view can be modified by any number of server apps.
Our "layout manager" takes a web-page approach to the view, as opposed to a
windowing approach.

The screen renderer is lightweight, using the underlying drawing model of
the OS it's running on. It isn't a rendering engine.

We're emphasizing our application over our development toolkit, but clean
development infrastructure is the core of this project. Compatibility with
existing APIs is not an immediate priority, however.

A prototype is downloadable from our site, as is source code.
http://networkimprov.net/airwrx/

Cheers,

Liam Breck
Network Improv

At 09:22 PM 1/4/06 +0000, Robert Boehme wrote:
>Hello Brandon,
>is there any sign that Mark Thomas is still listening to the mailings 
>lists or just doing anything for the Project.
>Or did he abandoned it ?

Re: Hello everyone - New Maintainer ?

New Hope for Y-Windows ?

Hello Ben, Brandon, Liam, William, Dustin and to all the others.

I'll try to answer all your replys in 1 Mail.

First of all, because of Mark very long absence i guess he isn't 
interested in Y-Windows any longer.
So it is a very goad approach by Dustin to make a new Source Tree along 
with it's own Project Site.
Dustin i really like what you are doing i alaready checked out a copy of 
your branch for testing.
Wiliam your archives are almost right.
Some day in the last year Mark seems to be turnt away from Project.

I think we should do the following:
Create a new WebSite with more recent and Up2Date Project Documentation.
Create a new Branch with different Patch Level's and all of Dustin 
Progress by now.
Reanimate the old community to get more help with all the work.
But the most important thing is a new Road Map dedicated to alle the 
things left off by now.

It is very important to create a new stable release with a fixed Patch 
level that way new developer's can easily check out a basic version of 
Y- Windows.
So it'll be easier for them deciding to participate.
The Second thing is WebSite with better ways of Community communication.
Something like a Forum would be more accurate than this Maillinglist.

Now to my Part.
At this time i do not have much code that i can donate to the Project 
but i can offer the following thinks.
I own of 2 dedicated online server with +15Mbits connection more than 
1TB Traffic per month based on Debian.
It think these 2 Server will be enough to host give the Project a new home.
So i will create a new WebSite along with a Forum, Chats an all these 
other crap needed for a community.
The other thing which seems to be more important, is a guide of how to 
compile, programm and use y-windows.
Because i actually try to figure out the code myseld i'll write a Guide 
for compiling and programming Y-windows in Dustin's current state. 
Additionally i'll collect a new RoadMap in cooperation with all 
interested developers.
This will definitly help developers to coordinate the development of 
Y-Windows.

I know that's a lot of much information for such a small mail so i 
better came to an end.

Y- Windows is a community based project. So it needs all the help it can 
get.
A start would be if you all tell me what do you think about my plans or
if have inspired you with an idea let me know!

In my next mail i'll handout a list of things todo.
So if you then decide to step out of the dark an do something then
just let me now and i will help you as much as i can.

Greets,
Robert.

Re: New Hope for Y-Windows ?

Hi all,

I think it's fair and completly in consistent with the open source
philosophy to fork.  If some people think it will help to setup a new
Website, a new Maillinglist, etc., well go ahead.  We will see if this
will be effective.  But let me ask one question:  Is there a single
instance of a case where someone wrote a nice patch for y-windows, sent
it to Mark and he said:  Hey dude, I'm to lazy to merge it, go away!

I'm reading this list since the very beginning of the project and at
least I can't remember of such a case.  Therefore: If you ask me what
the real issue is I'll tell you that it is the fact that nobody is
writing code!  And no fancy website will ever change this.

	Titus

On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 06:55:04PM +0000, Robert Boehme wrote:
> Hello Ben, Brandon, Liam, William, Dustin and to all the others.
> 
> I'll try to answer all your replys in 1 Mail.
> 
> First of all, because of Mark very long absence i guess he isn't 
> interested in Y-Windows any longer.
> So it is a very goad approach by Dustin to make a new Source Tree along 
> with it's own Project Site.
> Dustin i really like what you are doing i alaready checked out a copy of 
> your branch for testing.
> Wiliam your archives are almost right.
> Some day in the last year Mark seems to be turnt away from Project.
> 
> I think we should do the following:
> Create a new WebSite with more recent and Up2Date Project Documentation.
> Create a new Branch with different Patch Level's and all of Dustin 
> Progress by now.
> Reanimate the old community to get more help with all the work.
> But the most important thing is a new Road Map dedicated to alle the 
> things left off by now.
> 
> It is very important to create a new stable release with a fixed Patch 
> level that way new developer's can easily check out a basic version of 
> Y- Windows.
> So it'll be easier for them deciding to participate.
> The Second thing is WebSite with better ways of Community communication.
> Something like a Forum would be more accurate than this Maillinglist.
> 
> Now to my Part.
> At this time i do not have much code that i can donate to the Project 
> but i can offer the following thinks.
> I own of 2 dedicated online server with +15Mbits connection more than 
> 1TB Traffic per month based on Debian.
> It think these 2 Server will be enough to host give the Project a new home.
> So i will create a new WebSite along with a Forum, Chats an all these 
> other crap needed for a community.
> The other thing which seems to be more important, is a guide of how to 
> compile, programm and use y-windows.
> Because i actually try to figure out the code myseld i'll write a Guide 
> for compiling and programming Y-windows in Dustin's current state. 
> Additionally i'll collect a new RoadMap in cooperation with all 
> interested developers.
> This will definitly help developers to coordinate the development of 
> Y-Windows.
> 
> I know that's a lot of much information for such a small mail so i 
> better came to an end.
> 
> Y- Windows is a community based project. So it needs all the help it can 
> get.
> A start would be if you all tell me what do you think about my plans or
> if have inspired you with an idea let me know!
> 
> In my next mail i'll handout a list of things todo.
> So if you then decide to step out of the dark an do something then
> just let me now and i will help you as much as i can.
> 
> 
> Greets,
> Robert.
> 
> 

Re: New Hope for Y-Windows ?

FWIW, I *do* remember a time back when there was some work being done  
that people came up with patches and it was said that "there's other  
nonpublic work done, I/we won't take your patch." Maybe that's my  
misinterpretation of events, but I remember when I was trying to get  
some patches for FreeBSD finished, it came up that "nobody else  
should do work because so-and-so is going to merge lots of changes  
that will conflict with anything anyone else does" so I shelved it  
and moved on to other things, and then the project died. If there was  
some action on Y again, I'd be thrilled (I've thought about picking  
it up, I've got an active *NIX machine again and would like to ditch  
X sooner rather than later), but I think for the most part, X is  
getting good enough for most people....
Incidentally, is there any chance of maybe using something other than  
Arch for the new source tree?

Augie Fackler

On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:47 PM, Titus von der Malsburg wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I think it's fair and completly in consistent with the open source
> philosophy to fork.  If some people think it will help to setup a new
> Website, a new Maillinglist, etc., well go ahead.  We will see if this
> will be effective.  But let me ask one question:  Is there a single
> instance of a case where someone wrote a nice patch for y-windows,  
> sent
> it to Mark and he said:  Hey dude, I'm to lazy to merge it, go away!
>
> I'm reading this list since the very beginning of the project and at
> least I can't remember of such a case.  Therefore: If you ask me what
> the real issue is I'll tell you that it is the fact that nobody is
> writing code!  And no fancy website will ever change this.
>
> 	Titus
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 06:55:04PM +0000, Robert Boehme wrote:
>> Hello Ben, Brandon, Liam, William, Dustin and to all the others.
>>
>> I'll try to answer all your replys in 1 Mail.
>>
>> First of all, because of Mark very long absence i guess he isn't
>> interested in Y-Windows any longer.
>> So it is a very goad approach by Dustin to make a new Source Tree  
>> along
>> with it's own Project Site.
>> Dustin i really like what you are doing i alaready checked out a  
>> copy of
>> your branch for testing.
>> Wiliam your archives are almost right.
>> Some day in the last year Mark seems to be turnt away from Project.
>>
>> I think we should do the following:
>> Create a new WebSite with more recent and Up2Date Project  
>> Documentation.
>> Create a new Branch with different Patch Level's and all of Dustin
>> Progress by now.
>> Reanimate the old community to get more help with all the work.
>> But the most important thing is a new Road Map dedicated to alle the
>> things left off by now.
>>
>> It is very important to create a new stable release with a fixed  
>> Patch
>> level that way new developer's can easily check out a basic  
>> version of
>> Y- Windows.
>> So it'll be easier for them deciding to participate.
>> The Second thing is WebSite with better ways of Community  
>> communication.
>> Something like a Forum would be more accurate than this Maillinglist.
>>
>> Now to my Part.
>> At this time i do not have much code that i can donate to the Project
>> but i can offer the following thinks.
>> I own of 2 dedicated online server with +15Mbits connection more than
>> 1TB Traffic per month based on Debian.
>> It think these 2 Server will be enough to host give the Project a  
>> new home.
>> So i will create a new WebSite along with a Forum, Chats an all these
>> other crap needed for a community.
>> The other thing which seems to be more important, is a guide of  
>> how to
>> compile, programm and use y-windows.
>> Because i actually try to figure out the code myseld i'll write a  
>> Guide
>> for compiling and programming Y-windows in Dustin's current state.
>> Additionally i'll collect a new RoadMap in cooperation with all
>> interested developers.
>> This will definitly help developers to coordinate the development of
>> Y-Windows.
>>
>> I know that's a lot of much information for such a small mail so i
>> better came to an end.
>>
>> Y- Windows is a community based project. So it needs all the help  
>> it can
>> get.
>> A start would be if you all tell me what do you think about my  
>> plans or
>> if have inspired you with an idea let me know!
>>
>> In my next mail i'll handout a list of things todo.
>> So if you then decide to step out of the dark an do something then
>> just let me now and i will help you as much as i can.
>>
>>
>> Greets,
>> Robert.
>>
>>
>

Re: New Hope for Y-Windows ?

Hi Robert and list

On Do, 2006-01-05 at 18:55 +0000, Robert Boehme wrote:
> [..]
> I think we should do the following:
> Create a new WebSite with more recent and Up2Date Project Documentation.
> Create a new Branch with different Patch Level's and all of Dustin 
> Progress by now.
> Reanimate the old community to get more help with all the work.

I see this like Titus. If the project gets more public interest most
likely there will be more development done. 

I could imagine a Source Management tool with a nice Webinterface -
maybe like LXR and git does for the Linux Kernel. 

Robert, if you decide to set a Page up maybe Bazaar 
- http://bazaar.canonical.com/FrontPage - would be the tool of choice.

IMHO Y-Windows has the one key advantage that it is written in C++. As
this is (IMO) a perfect way to develop GUIs it could be possible to
raise enough attantion if there is a post on slashdot - linked to the
online sources.

Just my opinion as a lurker ;)
Kristian

--

-- 

Re: New Hope for Y-Windows ?

On 1/5/06, Kristian Mueller <Kristian-M <at> kristian-m.de> wrote:
> IMHO Y-Windows has the one key advantage that it is written in C++.

Don't mean to nit-pick, but Y windows was written in C. The C++ client
API was written in C++.

--
James Harr <james.harr <at> gmail.com>