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Ian Caldwell | 1 Dec 2010 05:50
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Re: website

sorry, wasn't aware that document wasn't made public I thought it was when I published for those of you who missed it please refresh this link....

Thanks!

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Chris Morgan <chris.morganiser-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
See for yourself by comparing the designs.  Things like omitting the sidebar completely, doing the footer menu well, doing the primary/secondary links ideally, squeezing a language selection block into the header - they're mostly possible with Drupal, but they don't fit well with the normal design and tend to require some custom PHP code in the template, rather than Just Working.  When I say "too hard" I mean that it was too hard for me to do at that point when I was just creating a prototype of it all.  Some, like the primary and secondary links, would have come back properly a little later on, but the thing is they require work in Drupal, while in Django the system can be designed that way at a lower level, more friendlily.  (For example, instead of having a "language block" which is just a fixed block, you can easily have a template which manages the HTML for the block completely).  Working with Drupal yourself extensively, you may disagree with me on the "too hard" - but I hope you'll see what I mean, anyway.


On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Donna Benjamin <donna-x2taVuWqUYGHXe+LvDLADg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 11:39 +1100, Chris Morgan wrote:
> Some elements in duckgoesoink's design I had changed for
> no good reason other than that in Drupal it would be too hard to do it
> another way.

Which elements?

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J.B.C.Engelen | 1 Dec 2010 09:55
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Re: Notebooks in internal extensions


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicolas Dufour [mailto:nicoduf@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 15:02
> To: Inkscape Devel List
> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Notebooks in internal extensions
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm currently trying to use a 3 tabs notebook in an internal 
> extension (a filter with some options and two color 
> selectors), but Inkscape crashes as soon as an 
> ext->get_param_xxx function is called from the filter's code. 
> Everything 
> ext->works
> fine if I remove the notebook from the filter UI code.
> 
> These functions use the parameters list of the extension (see 
> extension/extension.cpp, line 427+) to return the requested 
> value. The problem is that this list, which is also used to 
> create the UI, only contains the first level parameters, and 
> when using a notebook, the notebook's parameters only (but 
> not what's inside it).
> ParamNotebook (extension/param/notebook.cpp, line 64+) has 
> it's own lists (one for each page), which are also used to 
> create the pages' UI, and contain all the parameters that 
> should be (but currently are not) accessible from the 
> extension's get_param functions in order to make notebooks 
> work as expected.
> 
> Since it's not possible to add the notebook's pages 
> parameters to the extension's ones (it would break the UI), I 
> plan to add a new private merged list in Extension::Extension 
> and a public Extension::add_param function to allow 
> parameters addition from the notebook code.
> 
> Could an extension expert (Ted, Johan?) advise me?

Hi Nicolas,
  Perhaps I can have a look at it this evening. I think the fix would be
to have the get_param functions do something like a
notebookparam->get_param if the extension's parameter is a
ParamNotebook. (right?)

Ciao,
  Johan

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Nicolas Dufour | 1 Dec 2010 11:29
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Re : Notebooks in internal extensions

Hi Johan,

Thanks for your answer!

> De : "J.B.C.Engelen@..." <J.B.C.Engelen@...>
>    Perhaps I can have a look at it this evening. I think the fix would be
> to  have the get_param functions do something like a
> notebookparam->get_param  if the extension's parameter is a
> ParamNotebook.  (right?)

It was my first guess, but how do you find the parameter's type from its name 
(there's no "get_param_type" function or public "type" var in parameter.cpp and 
notebook.cpp)?

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J.B.C.Engelen | 1 Dec 2010 14:46
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Re: Re : Notebooks in internal extensions

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicolas Dufour [mailto:nicoduf@...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 11:29
> To: Engelen, J.B.C. (Johan); inkscape-devel@...
> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Re : Notebooks in internal extensions
> 
> Hi Johan,
> 
> Thanks for your answer!
> 
> 
> > De : "J.B.C.Engelen@..." <J.B.C.Engelen@...>
> >    Perhaps I can have a look at it this evening. I think 
> the fix would 
> > be to  have the get_param functions do something like a
> > notebookparam->get_param  if the extension's parameter is a
> > ParamNotebook.  (right?)
> 
> It was my first guess, but how do you find the parameter's 
> type from its name (there's no "get_param_type" function or 
> public "type" var in parameter.cpp and notebook.cpp)?

>From the top of my head I can think up two solutions:
- Make a virtual get_sub_param function in Extension::Parameter that
does nothing. And override that method in Extension::ParamNotebook.
- Or (ugly) do dynamic type cast to check for param type
("dynamic_cast<>")

I'd go for the first option, and rewrite Extension::param_shared (and
rename to get_param).
I find the method somewhat strange. Seems better to me, to rewrite it
without using recursion:
(not my best piece of code, but I hope the idea is clear)

Parameter * 
Extension::get_param (const gchar * name)
{
    if (name == NULL) {
        throw Extension::param_not_exist();
    }
    if (this->parameters == NULL) {
        // the list of parameters is empty
        throw Extension::param_not_exist();
    }

    for (GSList * list = this->parameters; list != NULL; list =
g_slist_next(list)) {
        Parameter * param = static_cast<Parameter*>(list->data);
        if (!strcmp(param->name(), name)) {
             return param;
        } else {
             Parameter * subparam = param->get_param(name);
             if (subparam) {
                 return subparam;
             }
        }
    }

    // if execution reaches here, no parameter matching 'name' was found
    throw Extension::param_not_exist();
}

Then for example get_param_string would become:
const gchar *
Extension::get_param_string (const gchar * name, const SPDocument * doc,
const Inkscape::XML::Node * node)
{
    Parameter * param;

    param = get_param(name);
    return param->get_string(doc, node);
}

Extension::Parameter::get_param(const gchar * /*name*/)
{
	return NULL;
}

Extension::ParamNotebook::get_param(const gchar * /*name*/)
{
	here a loop similar to Extension::get_param
}

Hope these pieces of (pseudo)code help,
  Johan

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Jarosław Foksa | 1 Dec 2010 19:28

Re: website

I remember that back in 2008 we had simillar discussions - Chris was
advocating Django, I wanted Drupal, there was a lot of talk but we
ended up with the old site.

Development Seed (http://developmentseed.org/) was offering volunteer
work on new inkscape.org site few months ago. Is this proposal still
actual? They are one of the best shops you could find - perhaps it
would be best to let them lead the development if they agree so.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Ian Caldwell <inchosting@...> wrote:
> hello,
>
> It's been a good long while since I've emailed the mailing list I am a part
> of the server management involving inkscape and have been for approximately
> 4+ years. I am writing you today for 2 reasons.
>
> Our current site is terrible, I'm sorry but there is no chance of just
> brushing over it. I know there have been a fair number of people in the past
> 2 years who have submitted website mockup ideas and we've had contests but
> no one has ever followed through. Which I'll take partial blame for it.
> Things are just scattered every which way
> I wanted to update you on the status of the Test suite, Osuosl is currently
> in the process of setting up the ability to run test suites so that we can
> test the SVG building more efficiently. So stay tuned for more info on this
> in the near future.
>
> Anyway back to problem 1. Here's how I think we can best solve this problem.
> We're going to break the website into different categories and duties.
>
> UI (mockups) (*ARTIST*/PROGRAMMERS*)
>
> Ability to make mockups of how you think the website should look.
> After we pick yours we will request to see the top couple in HTML/CSS
>
> Artwork for the website (*ARTIST*)
>
> Ability to develop / sharpen logos as well as various buttons etc as needed
>
> Drupal Modules (*PROGRAMMERS*)
>
> Skills required
>
> Knowledge of Mysql/PHP/JS and HTML
> Knowledge or ability to learn how drupal works
>
> Documentation (*WRITERS*)
>
> Skills
>
> Moderate knowledge and ability to update and port existing content over to
> the new site.
>
> Translation
>
> We need people who specialize in various languages to port content once
> completed into the various languages.
>
> So what's wrong with the current design? a lot, it's way too cluttered and
> disorganized not to mention you click wiki you go to a whole different
> navigation and sub site. That is just a pain to deal with as a user. So if
> you have skills in 1 of the above 5 categories, please contact me or the
> list directly and we'll assemble the a team and get this going! let me know
> what you think....
> Thanks,
> Ian "Inc" C.
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Re: website

yup, completely understandable. I have contacted the people from developmentseed that originally offered to help with the new website prior to sending this email and I have yet to hear anything back..... so I'm not real hopeful and it's time for us to make a move. So we're starting with mockups. If you have a backway to contact them and they're still willing we're more than willing...

Thanks,
Ian

2010/12/1 Jarosław Foksa <jarek-UBQg/Da4ugu09//z6xao8A@public.gmane.org>
I remember that back in 2008 we had simillar discussions - Chris was
advocating Django, I wanted Drupal, there was a lot of talk but we
ended up with the old site.

Development Seed (http://developmentseed.org/) was offering volunteer
work on new inkscape.org site few months ago. Is this proposal still
actual? They are one of the best shops you could find - perhaps it
would be best to let them lead the development if they agree so.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Ian Caldwell <inchosting-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> hello,
>
> It's been a good long while since I've emailed the mailing list I am a part
> of the server management involving inkscape and have been for approximately
> 4+ years. I am writing you today for 2 reasons.
>
> Our current site is terrible, I'm sorry but there is no chance of just
> brushing over it. I know there have been a fair number of people in the past
> 2 years who have submitted website mockup ideas and we've had contests but
> no one has ever followed through. Which I'll take partial blame for it.
> Things are just scattered every which way
> I wanted to update you on the status of the Test suite, Osuosl is currently
> in the process of setting up the ability to run test suites so that we can
> test the SVG building more efficiently. So stay tuned for more info on this
> in the near future.
>
> Anyway back to problem 1. Here's how I think we can best solve this problem.
> We're going to break the website into different categories and duties.
>
> UI (mockups) (*ARTIST*/PROGRAMMERS*)
>
> Ability to make mockups of how you think the website should look.
> After we pick yours we will request to see the top couple in HTML/CSS
>
> Artwork for the website (*ARTIST*)
>
> Ability to develop / sharpen logos as well as various buttons etc as needed
>
> Drupal Modules (*PROGRAMMERS*)
>
> Skills required
>
> Knowledge of Mysql/PHP/JS and HTML
> Knowledge or ability to learn how drupal works
>
> Documentation (*WRITERS*)
>
> Skills
>
> Moderate knowledge and ability to update and port existing content over to
> the new site.
>
> Translation
>
> We need people who specialize in various languages to port content once
> completed into the various languages.
>
> So what's wrong with the current design? a lot, it's way too cluttered and
> disorganized not to mention you click wiki you go to a whole different
> navigation and sub site. That is just a pain to deal with as a user. So if
> you have skills in 1 of the above 5 categories, please contact me or the
> list directly and we'll assemble the a team and get this going! let me know
> what you think....
> Thanks,
> Ian "Inc" C.
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Néstor Díaz Valencia | 2 Dec 2010 09:20
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Re: website

Hi,

I wouldn't like the website rebuild to go a drupal-django flamewar as I 
stated in my first mail :( I though by giving full power to one person 
in order to organise and achieve the goal the flamewar and other non 
practical discussions will not take place.

Anyway just to clarify my opinion, I feel thankfull about 
DevelopmentSeed offer for development, but what worries me more is 
maintenance and future evolution of the site, which in my experience 
with Drupal becames painful. Also, the Drupal 6 vs 7 issue is around in 
my mind as well.

I have analysed the inkscape sitemap and content types and in my next 
mail I'm sending my conclusions.

I have no access to the google docs yet, can you have a look, Ian?

Cheers,
n3storm

El 01/12/10 23:17, Ian Caldwell escribió:
> yup, completely understandable. I have contacted the people from 
> developmentseed that originally offered to help with the new website 
> prior to sending this email and I have yet to hear anything back..... 
> so I'm not real hopeful and it's time for us to make a move. So we're 
> starting with mockups. If you have a backway to contact them and 
> they're still willing we're more than willing...
> Thanks,
> Ian
>
> 2010/12/1 Jarosław Foksa <jarek <at> kiwi-themes.com 
> <mailto:jarek <at> kiwi-themes.com>>
>
>     I remember that back in 2008 we had simillar discussions - Chris was
>     advocating Django, I wanted Drupal, there was a lot of talk but we
>     ended up with the old site.
>
>     Development Seed (http://developmentseed.org/) was offering volunteer
>     work on new inkscape.org <http://inkscape.org> site few months
>     ago. Is this proposal still
>     actual? They are one of the best shops you could find - perhaps it
>     would be best to let them lead the development if they agree so.
>
>     On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Ian Caldwell
>     <inchosting <at> gmail.com <mailto:inchosting <at> gmail.com>> wrote:
>     > hello,
>     >
>     > It's been a good long while since I've emailed the mailing list
>     I am a part
>     > of the server management involving inkscape and have been for
>     approximately
>     > 4+ years. I am writing you today for 2 reasons.
>     >
>     > Our current site is terrible, I'm sorry but there is no chance
>     of just
>     > brushing over it. I know there have been a fair number of people
>     in the past
>     > 2 years who have submitted website mockup ideas and we've had
>     contests but
>     > no one has ever followed through. Which I'll take partial blame
>     for it.
>     > Things are just scattered every which way
>     > I wanted to update you on the status of the Test suite, Osuosl
>     is currently
>     > in the process of setting up the ability to run test suites so
>     that we can
>     > test the SVG building more efficiently. So stay tuned for more
>     info on this
>     > in the near future.
>     >
>     > Anyway back to problem 1. Here's how I think we can best solve
>     this problem.
>     > We're going to break the website into different categories and
>     duties.
>     >
>     > UI (mockups) (*ARTIST*/PROGRAMMERS*)
>     >
>     > Ability to make mockups of how you think the website should look.
>     > After we pick yours we will request to see the top couple in
>     HTML/CSS
>     >
>     > Artwork for the website (*ARTIST*)
>     >
>     > Ability to develop / sharpen logos as well as various buttons
>     etc as needed
>     >
>     > Drupal Modules (*PROGRAMMERS*)
>     >
>     > Skills required
>     >
>     > Knowledge of Mysql/PHP/JS and HTML
>     > Knowledge or ability to learn how drupal works
>     >
>     > Documentation (*WRITERS*)
>     >
>     > Skills
>     >
>     > Moderate knowledge and ability to update and port existing
>     content over to
>     > the new site.
>     >
>     > Translation
>     >
>     > We need people who specialize in various languages to port
>     content once
>     > completed into the various languages.
>     >
>     > So what's wrong with the current design? a lot, it's way too
>     cluttered and
>     > disorganized not to mention you click wiki you go to a whole
>     different
>     > navigation and sub site. That is just a pain to deal with as a
>     user. So if
>     > you have skills in 1 of the above 5 categories, please contact
>     me or the
>     > list directly and we'll assemble the a team and get this going!
>     let me know
>     > what you think....
>     > Thanks,
>     > Ian "Inc" C.
>     >
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Sorry, I do have access to the doc. Thanks :)
> I have no access to the google docs yet, can you have a look, Ian?
>
> Cheers,
> n3storm
>
> El 01/12/10 23:17, Ian Caldwell escribió:
>> yup, completely understandable. I have contacted the people from
>> developmentseed that originally offered to help with the new website
>> prior to sending this email and I have yet to hear anything back.....
>> so I'm not real hopeful and it's time for us to make a move. So we're
>> starting with mockups. If you have a backway to contact them and
>> they're still willing we're more than willing...
>> Thanks,
>> Ian
>>
>> 2010/12/1 Jarosław Foksa<jarek <at> kiwi-themes.com
>> <mailto:jarek <at> kiwi-themes.com>>
>>
>>      I remember that back in 2008 we had simillar discussions - Chris was
>>      advocating Django, I wanted Drupal, there was a lot of talk but we
>>      ended up with the old site.
>>
>>      Development Seed (http://developmentseed.org/) was offering volunteer
>>      work on new inkscape.org<http://inkscape.org>  site few months
>>      ago. Is this proposal still
>>      actual? They are one of the best shops you could find - perhaps it
>>      would be best to let them lead the development if they agree so.
>>
>>      On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Ian Caldwell
>>      <inchosting <at> gmail.com<mailto:inchosting <at> gmail.com>>  wrote:
>>      >  hello,
>>      >
>>      >  It's been a good long while since I've emailed the mailing list
>>      I am a part
>>      >  of the server management involving inkscape and have been for
>>      approximately
>>      >  4+ years. I am writing you today for 2 reasons.
>>      >
>>      >  Our current site is terrible, I'm sorry but there is no chance
>>      of just
>>      >  brushing over it. I know there have been a fair number of people
>>      in the past
>>      >  2 years who have submitted website mockup ideas and we've had
>>      contests but
>>      >  no one has ever followed through. Which I'll take partial blame
>>      for it.
>>      >  Things are just scattered every which way
>>      >  I wanted to update you on the status of the Test suite, Osuosl
>>      is currently
>>      >  in the process of setting up the ability to run test suites so
>>      that we can
>>      >  test the SVG building more efficiently. So stay tuned for more
>>      info on this
>>      >  in the near future.
>>      >
>>      >  Anyway back to problem 1. Here's how I think we can best solve
>>      this problem.
>>      >  We're going to break the website into different categories and
>>      duties.
>>      >
>>      >  UI (mockups) (*ARTIST*/PROGRAMMERS*)
>>      >
>>      >  Ability to make mockups of how you think the website should look.
>>      >  After we pick yours we will request to see the top couple in
>>      HTML/CSS
>>      >
>>      >  Artwork for the website (*ARTIST*)
>>      >
>>      >  Ability to develop / sharpen logos as well as various buttons
>>      etc as needed
>>      >
>>      >  Drupal Modules (*PROGRAMMERS*)
>>      >
>>      >  Skills required
>>      >
>>      >  Knowledge of Mysql/PHP/JS and HTML
>>      >  Knowledge or ability to learn how drupal works
>>      >
>>      >  Documentation (*WRITERS*)
>>      >
>>      >  Skills
>>      >
>>      >  Moderate knowledge and ability to update and port existing
>>      content over to
>>      >  the new site.
>>      >
>>      >  Translation
>>      >
>>      >  We need people who specialize in various languages to port
>>      content once
>>      >  completed into the various languages.
>>      >
>>      >  So what's wrong with the current design? a lot, it's way too
>>      cluttered and
>>      >  disorganized not to mention you click wiki you go to a whole
>>      different
>>      >  navigation and sub site. That is just a pain to deal with as a
>>      user. So if
>>      >  you have skills in 1 of the above 5 categories, please contact
>>      me or the
>>      >  list directly and we'll assemble the a team and get this going!
>>      let me know
>>      >  what you think....
>>      >  Thanks,
>>      >  Ian "Inc" C.
>>      >
>>      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>      for grabs.
>>      >  http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev
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Re: website

Hi,

I bet you can do better!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N4LU7xFw08
http://n3storm.deviantart.com/art/Inkscape-Website-Mockup-188199114

don't think in any cms you ever worked, just go crazy :)

Cheers,
n3storm

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Re: Inkscape-devel Digest, Vol 55, Issue 2

Hello all:


I've not been active for a while, but I wanted to begin again.  My focus is the Technical Drafting portion of Inkscape.

I've put together my thoughts in this document.  I would love some feed back.


I'm a bit selfish, as I am sick and tired of shelling out hundreds and thousands of dollars for the latest and greatest drafting software every few years.  Having Inkscape be able to replace AutoCAD and Vectorworks would be the greatest gift I could every receive.

You should all know that you have made a fantastic piece of software here.

Thanks!

-Dan

www.danielkrausedesign.com
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  1. Re: Notebooks in internal extensions
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  2. Re :  Notebooks in internal extensions (Nicolas Dufour)
  3. Re: Re :  Notebooks in internal extensions
     (J.B.C.Engelen <at> ewi.utwente.nl)
  4. Re: website (Jaros?aw Foksa)
  5. Re: website (Ian Caldwell)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:55:26 +0100
From: <J.B.C.Engelen <at> ewi.utwente.nl>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Notebooks in internal extensions
To: <nicoduf-Qt13gs6zZMY@public.gmane.org>, <inkscape-devel <at> lists.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID:
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicolas Dufour [mailto:nicoduf-Qt13gs6zZMY@public.gmane.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 15:02
> To: Inkscape Devel List
> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Notebooks in internal extensions
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm currently trying to use a 3 tabs notebook in an internal
> extension (a filter with some options and two color
> selectors), but Inkscape crashes as soon as an
> ext->get_param_xxx function is called from the filter's code.
> Everything
> ext->works
> fine if I remove the notebook from the filter UI code.
>
> These functions use the parameters list of the extension (see
> extension/extension.cpp, line 427+) to return the requested
> value. The problem is that this list, which is also used to
> create the UI, only contains the first level parameters, and
> when using a notebook, the notebook's parameters only (but
> not what's inside it).
> ParamNotebook (extension/param/notebook.cpp, line 64+) has
> it's own lists (one for each page), which are also used to
> create the pages' UI, and contain all the parameters that
> should be (but currently are not) accessible from the
> extension's get_param functions in order to make notebooks
> work as expected.
>
> Since it's not possible to add the notebook's pages
> parameters to the extension's ones (it would break the UI), I
> plan to add a new private merged list in Extension::Extension
> and a public Extension::add_param function to allow
> parameters addition from the notebook code.
>
> Could an extension expert (Ted, Johan?) advise me?

Hi Nicolas,
 Perhaps I can have a look at it this evening. I think the fix would be
to have the get_param functions do something like a
notebookparam->get_param if the extension's parameter is a
ParamNotebook. (right?)

Ciao,
 Johan



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:29:03 +0000 (GMT)
From: Nicolas Dufour <nicoduf <at> yahoo.fr>
Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Re :  Notebooks in internal extensions
To: J.B.C.Engelen-/CpmR+5df7H/PtFMR13I2A@public.gmane.orgte.nl, inkscape-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
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Hi Johan,

Thanks for your answer!


> De : "J.B.C.Engelen-/CpmR+5df7GqJD6lH+W9+A@public.gmane.org" <J.B.C.Engelen-/CpmR+5df7GqJD6lH+W9+A@public.gmane.org>
>    Perhaps I can have a look at it this evening. I think the fix would be
> to  have the get_param functions do something like a
> notebookparam->get_param  if the extension's parameter is a
> ParamNotebook.  (right?)

It was my first guess, but how do you find the parameter's type from its name
(there's no "get_param_type" function or public "type" var in parameter.cpp and
notebook.cpp)?

Regards,
--
Nicolas







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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:46:45 +0100
From: <J.B.C.Engelen <at> ewi.utwente.nl>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re :  Notebooks in internal extensions
To: <nicoduf-Qt13gs6zZMY@public.gmane.org>, <inkscape-devel <at> lists.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID:
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicolas Dufour [mailto:nicoduf-Qt13gs6zZMY@public.gmane.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 11:29
> To: Engelen, J.B.C. (Johan); inkscape-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Re : Notebooks in internal extensions
>
> Hi Johan,
>
> Thanks for your answer!
>
>
> > De : "J.B.C.Engelen-/CpmR+5df7GqJD6lH+W9+A@public.gmane.org" <J.B.C.Engelen-/CpmR+5df7GqJD6lH+W9+A@public.gmane.org>
> >    Perhaps I can have a look at it this evening. I think
> the fix would
> > be to  have the get_param functions do something like a
> > notebookparam->get_param  if the extension's parameter is a
> > ParamNotebook.  (right?)
>
> It was my first guess, but how do you find the parameter's
> type from its name (there's no "get_param_type" function or
> public "type" var in parameter.cpp and notebook.cpp)?

>From the top of my head I can think up two solutions:
- Make a virtual get_sub_param function in Extension::Parameter that
does nothing. And override that method in Extension::ParamNotebook.
- Or (ugly) do dynamic type cast to check for param type
("dynamic_cast<>")

I'd go for the first option, and rewrite Extension::param_shared (and
rename to get_param).
I find the method somewhat strange. Seems better to me, to rewrite it
without using recursion:
(not my best piece of code, but I hope the idea is clear)

Parameter *
Extension::get_param (const gchar * name)
{
   if (name == NULL) {
       throw Extension::param_not_exist();
   }
   if (this->parameters == NULL) {
       // the list of parameters is empty
       throw Extension::param_not_exist();
   }

   for (GSList * list = this->parameters; list != NULL; list =
g_slist_next(list)) {
       Parameter * param = static_cast<Parameter*>(list->data);
       if (!strcmp(param->name(), name)) {
            return param;
       } else {
            Parameter * subparam = param->get_param(name);
            if (subparam) {
                return subparam;
            }
       }
   }

   // if execution reaches here, no parameter matching 'name' was found
   throw Extension::param_not_exist();
}


Then for example get_param_string would become:
const gchar *
Extension::get_param_string (const gchar * name, const SPDocument * doc,
const Inkscape::XML::Node * node)
{
   Parameter * param;

   param = get_param(name);
   return param->get_string(doc, node);
}



Extension::Parameter::get_param(const gchar * /*name*/)
{
       return NULL;
}


Extension::ParamNotebook::get_param(const gchar * /*name*/)
{
       here a loop similar to Extension::get_param
}


Hope these pieces of (pseudo)code help,
 Johan



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:28:56 +0100
From: Jaros?aw Foksa <jarek <at> kiwi-themes.com>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] website
To: inkscape-devel <at> lists.sourceforge.net
Message-ID:
       <AANLkTinwrFBDQ3jv8CDGdFRp4cCjsjL0g7xu-Ows5cxD <at> mail.gmail.com>
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I remember that back in 2008 we had simillar discussions - Chris was
advocating Django, I wanted Drupal, there was a lot of talk but we
ended up with the old site.

Development Seed (http://developmentseed.org/) was offering volunteer
work on new inkscape.org site few months ago. Is this proposal still
actual? They are one of the best shops you could find - perhaps it
would be best to let them lead the development if they agree so.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Ian Caldwell <inchosting-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> hello,
>
> It's been a good long while since I've emailed the mailing list I am a part
> of the server management involving inkscape and have been for approximately
> 4+ years. I am writing you today for 2 reasons.
>
> Our current site is terrible, I'm sorry but there is no chance of just
> brushing over it. I know there have been a fair number of people in the past
> 2 years who have submitted website mockup ideas and we've had contests but
> no one has ever followed through. Which I'll take partial blame for it.
> Things are just scattered every which way
> I wanted to update you on the status of the Test suite, Osuosl is currently
> in the process of setting up the ability to run test suites so that we can
> test the SVG building more?efficiently. So stay tuned for more info on this
> in the near future.
>
> Anyway back to problem 1. Here's how I think we can best solve this problem.
> We're going to break the website into different categories and duties.
>
> UI (mockups) (*ARTIST*/PROGRAMMERS*)
>
> Ability to make mockups of how you think the website should look.
> After we pick yours we will request to see the top couple in HTML/CSS
>
> Artwork for the website (*ARTIST*)
>
> Ability to develop / sharpen logos as well as various buttons etc as needed
>
> Drupal Modules (*PROGRAMMERS*)
>
> Skills required
>
> Knowledge of Mysql/PHP/JS and HTML
> Knowledge or ability to learn how drupal works
>
> Documentation (*WRITERS*)
>
> Skills
>
> Moderate knowledge and ability to update and port existing content over to
> the new site.
>
> Translation
>
> We need people who specialize in various languages to port content once
> completed into the various languages.
>
> So what's wrong with the current design? a lot, it's way too cluttered and
> disorganized not to mention you click wiki you go to a whole different
> navigation and sub site. That is just a pain to deal with as a user. So if
> you have skills in 1 of the above 5 categories, please contact me or the
> list directly and we'll assemble the a team and get this going! let me know
> what you think....
> Thanks,
> Ian "Inc" C.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:17:16 -0800
From: Ian Caldwell <inchosting <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] website
To: Jaros?aw Foksa <jarek <at> kiwi-themes.com>
Cc: inkscape-devel <at> lists.sourceforge.net
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yup, completely understandable. I have contacted the people from
developmentseed that originally offered to help with the new website prior
to sending this email and I have yet to hear anything back..... so I'm not
real hopeful and it's time for us to make a move. So we're starting with
mockups. If you have a backway to contact them and they're still willing
we're more than willing...
Thanks,
Ian

2010/12/1 Jaros?aw Foksa <jarek <at> kiwi-themes.com>

> I remember that back in 2008 we had simillar discussions - Chris was
> advocating Django, I wanted Drupal, there was a lot of talk but we
> ended up with the old site.
>
> Development Seed (http://developmentseed.org/) was offering volunteer
> work on new inkscape.org site few months ago. Is this proposal still
> actual? They are one of the best shops you could find - perhaps it
> would be best to let them lead the development if they agree so.
>
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Ian Caldwell <inchosting-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
> > hello,
> >
> > It's been a good long while since I've emailed the mailing list I am a
> part
> > of the server management involving inkscape and have been for
> approximately
> > 4+ years. I am writing you today for 2 reasons.
> >
> > Our current site is terrible, I'm sorry but there is no chance of just
> > brushing over it. I know there have been a fair number of people in the
> past
> > 2 years who have submitted website mockup ideas and we've had contests
> but
> > no one has ever followed through. Which I'll take partial blame for it.
> > Things are just scattered every which way
> > I wanted to update you on the status of the Test suite, Osuosl is
> currently
> > in the process of setting up the ability to run test suites so that we
> can
> > test the SVG building more efficiently. So stay tuned for more info on
> this
> > in the near future.
> >
> > Anyway back to problem 1. Here's how I think we can best solve this
> problem.
> > We're going to break the website into different categories and duties.
> >
> > UI (mockups) (*ARTIST*/PROGRAMMERS*)
> >
> > Ability to make mockups of how you think the website should look.
> > After we pick yours we will request to see the top couple in HTML/CSS
> >
> > Artwork for the website (*ARTIST*)
> >
> > Ability to develop / sharpen logos as well as various buttons etc as
> needed
> >
> > Drupal Modules (*PROGRAMMERS*)
> >
> > Skills required
> >
> > Knowledge of Mysql/PHP/JS and HTML
> > Knowledge or ability to learn how drupal works
> >
> > Documentation (*WRITERS*)
> >
> > Skills
> >
> > Moderate knowledge and ability to update and port existing content over
> to
> > the new site.
> >
> > Translation
> >
> > We need people who specialize in various languages to port content once
> > completed into the various languages.
> >
> > So what's wrong with the current design? a lot, it's way too cluttered
> and
> > disorganized not to mention you click wiki you go to a whole different
> > navigation and sub site. That is just a pain to deal with as a user. So
> if
> > you have skills in 1 of the above 5 categories, please contact me or the
> > list directly and we'll assemble the a team and get this going! let me
> know
> > what you think....
> > Thanks,
> > Ian "Inc" C.
> >
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