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Marc Weber | 1 Aug 2005 01:59
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Hi. xfig like export combined LaTeX postscript/ transparency ps export

Xfig has got one possibility to set a special flag on text which means
that this text doesn't get exported on combined LaTeX ps but is written
to the LaTeX file which means that you're able to also use LaTeX
possibilies of typsetting mathematics and so on.

Do you think it would be much effort to add this to inkscape, too?
Because I *really* prefer inkscape over xfig :)
inkscape could became the tool of choice making figures for LaTeX..
xfig is nice but lacks some functionality.

The other thing is when exporting to ps inkscape currently just ignores
transparency.. All you would have to do having two rectangles

------         -- : rect1 without ++
---+++|||      ++ : overlapping area
---+++|||      || : rect2 without ++ 
   ||||||      rect2 is above rect1

would be splitting this rectangles into 3 and calculate the color of the
+ rectangle depending on the transparency of rect2 and color of rect1..
Then all 3 reactangles can be exported as it's done right now.
And because the function Stroke to path is already provided (although
I'm not sure how well it works using some advanced stroke style) it
shouldn't be that hard to implement. What do you think?

Marc

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bulia byak | 1 Aug 2005 02:59
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Re: Hi. xfig like export combined LaTeX postscript/ transparency ps export

On 7/31/05, Marc Weber <marco-oweber@...> wrote:
> Do you think it would be much effort to add this to inkscape, too?
> Because I *really* prefer inkscape over xfig :)
> inkscape could became the tool of choice making figures for LaTeX..
> xfig is nice but lacks some functionality.

We now have a "LaTeX with pstricks" export format. Have you tried it?

> The other thing is when exporting to ps inkscape currently just ignores
> transparency.. All you would have to do having two rectangles

That would only work for flat transparency, not gradient transparency
or masking. So it would mean a lot of coding and still not really
solving the problem. I will not of course object to someone
implementing it, but my personal opinion is that it's not worth it. If
you need PS, don't use transparency. If you need transparency, use a
more modern format, not PS.

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Adib Taraben | 1 Aug 2005 01:46
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Re: Newbie to Developer Process under Windows

Bob Jamison schrieb:
> Douglas Neale wrote:
> 
...
>>
>> Can anyone point me to an alternative source of the gtk26 library, 
>> perhaps in a normal zip format?
>> TIA
>> Douglas Neale
>>
> 
> Heh. I have had that problem, too, and I am the culprit who -uploaded- 
> it! ;-)
> I suggest using wget. It will fiercely download the requested thing 
> until it is
> completely and correctly assembled on your machine. Here:
> 
> http://users.ugent.be/~bpuype/wget/
> 
> 
> The file -is- valid. It is just difficult to download.
> 
here the same. Only got luck with wget iexplorer and firefox cutting the 
archive so that it becomes corrupt.

Adib.

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bulia byak | 1 Aug 2005 05:07
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Re: current CVS broken ?

Ted:

Another problem: After your menu changes, I can't see "Vacuum defs"
command anywhere. What's up with that? Are you an undercover agent of
Alan Horkan? :)

Please restore it.

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Bryce Harrington | 1 Aug 2005 06:06

Re: Vers 0.42 in Debian Unstable ?

On Sat, Jul 30, 2005 at 06:59:35PM +0100, Lee Braiden wrote:
> On Saturday 30 July 2005 18:22, Bryce Harrington wrote:
> > Hi Lee,
> >
> > Would you mind putting this information about installing for Debian into
> > the Inkscape wiki?  Even if it's not 100% accurate I think it will help
> > people trying to get it set up.
> 
> Sure :)  Note that I'm actually using Ubuntu now myself, so this is from 
> memory, rather than experience, but I think it should be OK.  Hope I found 
> the right wiki page for it.. :)
> 
> http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CompilingDebian

Thanks Lee, looks great.  :-)

Bryce

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Bryce Harrington | 1 Aug 2005 06:07

Re: Vers 0.42 in Debian Unstable ?

On Sat, Jul 30, 2005 at 02:24:53PM -0600, John Taber wrote:
> Maybe it would be good to have a link from the downloads page to an
> installation help page (whether in wiki or documentation or FAQ's)
> 
> For example I had trouble installing, I found
> there was no place to turn to on the web site.  Such a page will be even
> more useful as users approach 1,000,000 and users becomes less 
> sophisticated.

That's a good idea - this page is in CVS in the inkscape_web module.
Would you like to update it to ensure it points at the appropriate pages
for more info?

Bryce

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Bryce Harrington | 1 Aug 2005 06:10

Re: Edit Menu (was Re: Inkscape Harsh Criticisms)

On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 09:37:01PM -0400, MenTaLguY wrote:
> > Are we likely to identify 'user stories' - cases where users have
> > had difficulty performing tasks owing to some feature of the 
> > design? In the present case, are people pulling down the Edit
> > menu expecting to find 5 or 6 items, actually seeing over 20
> > and running away - saying that Inkscape isn't ready yet ...
> > 
> > I don't know ...
> 
> Researching and collecting user stories is an important part of
> usability work.  We should certainly do more of it than we have been
> doing.

I think this is a great idea, would anyone be interested in interviewing
users and collecting this information into well organized wiki pages?

Bryce

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Bryce Harrington | 1 Aug 2005 06:21

Re: Help -> License

On Fri, Jul 29, 2005 at 01:37:44PM +0100, Alan Horkan wrote:
> > > Help, Modifying and Redistributing Inkscape.  :( must resist urge to kill
> >
> > Not my area - Peter, can you comment?
> 
> It is cruft, an unnecessary distraction.  I would really like to see this
> bit of marketing propoganda removed entirely from the user interface.  It
> will probably need to be mentioned in the documentation anyway but the
> license is important to Free Software Evangelists not to users who want to
> draw stuff.  Distributors should read the Licensing information, users
> shouldn't need to worry about it and windows users have already been
> required to agree to the License in the installer.  (And users do not need
> to agree to the GPL just to use the software, only if they wish to
> redistribute modified versions.)
> 
> This particularly hit a nerve because the GIMP harasses users with inane
> questions the first time you run it, including displaying the License.
> There are better places for evanglism than this.
> 
> And to have a menu label steal the promiment position at the end of the
> list and then to have a five word label is not at all aesthetically
> pleasing to put it politely.  (Sorry the more I do this the more
> hypersensative I get to these anomolies.)

I was also a bit curious when I saw this added to the help menu.  It
might be better to simply call it "License"?

I know that at least one user has asked for licensing terms for usage,
so it's not ONLY good for evangelism purposes.  Also, given that nearly
every application out there bugs the user with the licensing terms on
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Bryce Harrington | 1 Aug 2005 06:25

Re: Re: Inkscape Harsh Criticisms

On Fri, Jul 29, 2005 at 06:53:53PM +0200, matiphas@... wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> >
> > > > the old F1 ... keybindings are a bit weird, and I will bet the target
> > > > audience of former Sodipodi and Corel Draw users is smaller than the
> > > > Illustrator/Freehand audience.  of course I'd love to have both but it
> > > > doesn't make for a great default approach.
> >
> > I'll have to write seperate mail suggesting keybindings we should other
> > keybindings we should rationalise to reduce the learning curve for former
> > Illustrator/Freehand users, they have quite a few keybindings in common we
> > could probably also use.
> ...
> 
> > > > using the commands bar/options bar for both the tool defaults and
> > changing
> > > > the properties of the current object is weird (therefore harder to learn)
> > > > and I still dont particularly like it.
> > >
> > > Already discussed, I'm VERY MUCH not convinced (I think it's one of
> > > the best things in our UI), not a regression in 0.42.
> >
> > ... but a certain category of user which I fall into is never going to be
> > satisfied with behaviour substantially different from what they are
> > familiar with.  I just feel these are things that Inkscape would be slated
> > for if reviewed by a mainstream Graphics magazine.  Myself I'll probably
> > get used to it eventually.
> 
>
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Bryce Harrington | 1 Aug 2005 06:35

Re: About screen (was Re: Inkscape Harsh Criticisms)

On Sun, Jul 31, 2005 at 12:48:07PM -0400, MenTaLguY wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 15:30 +0100, Alan Horkan wrote:
> > Initially it might be easier and faster to use gdkpixpub/librsvg to render
> > the SVG in the About.
> 
> Unfortunately librsvg has very buggy rendering.

Note that this appears to be improving, and should largely resolve
itself with cairo becoming the librsvg backend.

> Since people usually author about screens and icons for us in Inkscape,
> it would be very bad for things to look fine when edited in Inkscape,
> but then get all funky when used for Inkscape's own icons -- or worse
> the about window.

Using Inkscape's renderer to render the About screen makes sense since
we often encourage people to create screens that show off the latest and
greatest features.

Also, to echo Alan's point about the about screen being useful for
determining the version, I think it would be extremely useful if it
included more than just the version number.  I.e., the About screen may
say 0.41, but the user could have a nightly build installed, or a
pre-release of 0.42, or who knows what...  

Bryce

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