Tim Mann | 12 Apr 2009 03:02

Re: Fwd: Re: [Bug-XBoard] Please Help

Thanks for offering to donate your work.  I'm not really working on
xboard anymore and haven't looked at what you did, so I'm not sure if
there's enough there that we need you to sign a copyright assignment to
be able to easily add support for those variants, or if it's just a
matter of a couple of tweaks on top of the variant support that H.G.
already has in his fork.  Maybe Arun and H.G. can say.

Note that we haven't done a release from the main line for years (and I
don't expect there will be one soon), so I'm not sure how having the
code in the main line right away helps you, unless your students are
accustomed to downloading code from CVS and building it themselves.

	--Tim

On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:53:20 -0700, Bart Massey <bart <at> po8.org> wrote:
> Is there any chance my recent MiniChess patches can be
> merged into xboard 4.2.7?  I'd be happy to sign copyright
> assignment or whatever if it helps.  I'm happy to see
> Muller's work go forward, but I'd just like to get my
> variant supported in the main line so that I don't have to
> continue to distribute patches to my students...
> 
> Thanks for any help you can give!
> 
>     Bart Massey
>     bart <at> po8.org
> 

--

-- 
Tim Mann  tim <at> tim-mann.org  http://tim-mann.org/
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Arun Persaud | 13 Apr 2009 03:42
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Re: Re: Fwd: Re: [Bug-XBoard] Please Help

Hi

> Thanks for offering to donate your work.  I'm not really working on
> xboard anymore and haven't looked at what you did, so I'm not sure if
> there's enough there that we need you to sign a copyright 
> assignment to
> be able to easily add support for those variants, or if it's just a
> matter of a couple of tweaks on top of the variant support that H.G.
> already has in his fork.  Maybe Arun and H.G. can say.

at the moment we are trying to merge two forks from xboard/winboard back into the main tree. Pretty sure we
can add the code to it afterwards. Quite a few of the changes in your patch will be in the new version of
xboard/winboard anyway (e.g. different boardsizes), so we probably should have a look at it after we are
done with the merge.

> Note that we haven't done a release from the main line for years 
> (and I don't expect there will be one soon), 

We probably will have a bunch of them soon because of all the incoming changes :)

cheers
      ARUN
h.g. muller | 16 Apr 2009 17:53
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Bundling WinBoard 4.4

I already raised this point in a private mail to Arun, but I would like to put it up for
discussion in public. It is about the bundling strategy used for the distribution of the
WinBoard executable. For XBoard this is not an issue, as Linux users do not
appreciate bundling and rely on the package depency mechanism to acquire their
software. But for WinBoard bundling is really essential, as Windows users are in
general tot capable to install anything that does not come with the initial install.
So important components, like Polyglot, must not be missing. In addition, we should
provide data files for some of the new features to be usable in the install, such as
bitmaps for the board texture, and an opening book.

From the e-mail extchange between Arun and me:

------------------------ quote -----------------------
> I think 4.2.8 comes with some sort of windows installer, do you know anything  about this?

I have seen that, and I guess I have even used it first time I installed WinBoard on
one of my systems (which must have been in 2006). But I positively hate installers,
and since that first install, I only copy winboard.exe files from one PC to another.
(Note that I did ignore the entry where Chessknight did the initial logging of the
installer files in the CVS.)

Anyway, the way the installer would install WinBoard on a Windows PC looks nothing
like the way I distribute WinBoard 4.3.15. For one, it contains the GNU Chess engines,
which I think we should really abandon. GNU Chess might have been of interest and even
instrumental at the conception of XBoard, but today it is just a mediocre Chess engine
amongst many hundreds. It is not particularly good (there are free engines that are
more than 500 Elo stronger, even as open source), it is not particularly small, (strongly
driving up the size of the download), it does not play any variants except 'normal'...
So to dump not one, but even two versions of it on every WinBoard user is really silly.

OTOH, much of the essential supporting software is missing in the 4.2.7 install. Poor
bundling is one of the main causes of the demise of WinBoard as main Chess interface
on Windows. For the average Windows user that would benefit from an installer, having
to download supporting software is a real show stopper, as in general they would not
know where to find it, or where to put it to make it work with WinBoard. So they cannot
run any UCI engines because they lack Polyglot. They cannot run engine tournaments
because they lack a Tournament Manager. So they turn to other GUIs that have these
functions as intrinsic features.

For this reason we created the 'WinBoard Gold Pack', (downloadble from WinBoard forum)
which contains a complete installation tree of ready-to-run executables, containing not only
WinBoard (as executable), but aso Polyglot, PSWBTM, an opening book, an example
WB engine and an example UCI engine, example bitmap files for board textures, PGN
and EPD files with test positions, etc. In other words, all the stuff they badly need, in stead
of the stuff they don't care about from the 4.2.7 installer package.

As example WB engine in the Gold Pack I use Fairy-Max, because:
1) it is tiny (some 100KB uncompressed including all docs, only 35KB for the engine proper).
2) it plays many variants next to noarmal Chess (Gothic Chess, Shatranj, Courier Chess etc.).

----------------- end of quote --------------

So I want to propose a new bundling strategy for WinBoard 4.4.1 (compared to 4.2.7), abandoning
GNUChess, including Polyglot and an opening book, and perhaps a true-type Chess font

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Mark Ioli | 17 Apr 2009 01:26
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Re: Bundling WinBoard 4.4

I would imagine as long as we are respecting any license requirements 
pertaining to redistribution of software, we can bundle whatever we 
think is appropriate. I haven't looked as NSIS much since I made the 
4.2.7 installer, but one idea I had back then was to have things like 
source code, engines, books, etc available as options that would be 
installed dynamically over the network if selected, so the installer 
itself could be very small, having only the required core files wrapped 
up in it. We could also consider adding a feature to the Xboard/Winboard 
to check for updates, rather than having people download a whole new 
installer for subsequent releases.

-Mark

h.g. muller wrote:
> I already raised this point in a private mail to Arun, but I would 
> like to put it up for
> discussion in public. It is about the bundling strategy used for the 
> distribution of the
> WinBoard executable. For XBoard this is not an issue, as Linux users 
> do not
> appreciate bundling and rely on the package depency mechanism to 
> acquire their
> software. But for WinBoard bundling is really essential, as Windows 
> users are in
> general tot capable to install anything that does not come with the 
> initial install.
> So important components, like Polyglot, must not be missing. In 
> addition, we should
> provide data files for some of the new features to be usable in the 
> install, such as
> bitmaps for the board texture, and an opening book.
>
> From the e-mail extchange between Arun and me:
>
> ------------------------ quote -----------------------
> > I think 4.2.8 comes with some sort of windows installer, do you know 
> anything  about this?
>
> I have seen that, and I guess I have even used it first time I 
> installed WinBoard on
> one of my systems (which must have been in 2006). But I positively 
> hate installers,
> and since that first install, I only copy winboard.exe files from one 
> PC to another.
> (Note that I did ignore the entry where Chessknight did the initial 
> logging of the
> installer files in the CVS.)
>
> Anyway, the way the installer would install WinBoard on a Windows PC 
> looks nothing
> like the way I distribute WinBoard 4.3.15. For one, it contains the 
> GNU Chess engines,
> which I think we should really abandon. GNU Chess might have been of 
> interest and even
> instrumental at the conception of XBoard, but today it is just a 
> mediocre Chess engine
> amongst many hundreds. It is not particularly good (there are free 
> engines that are
> more than 500 Elo stronger, even as open source), it is not 
> particularly small, (strongly
> driving up the size of the download), it does not play any variants 
> except 'normal'...
> So to dump not one, but even two versions of it on every WinBoard user 
> is really silly.
>
> OTOH, much of the essential supporting software is missing in the 
> 4.2.7 install. Poor
> bundling is one of the main causes of the demise of WinBoard as main 
> Chess interface
> on Windows. For the average Windows user that would benefit from an 
> installer, having
> to download supporting software is a real show stopper, as in general 
> they would not
> know where to find it, or where to put it to make it work with 
> WinBoard. So they cannot
> run any UCI engines because they lack Polyglot. They cannot run engine 
> tournaments
> because they lack a Tournament Manager. So they turn to other GUIs 
> that have these
> functions as intrinsic features.
>
> For this reason we created the 'WinBoard Gold Pack', (downloadble from 
> WinBoard forum)
> which contains a complete installation tree of ready-to-run 
> executables, containing not only
> WinBoard (as executable), but aso Polyglot, PSWBTM, an opening book, 
> an example
> WB engine and an example UCI engine, example bitmap files for board 
> textures, PGN
> and EPD files with test positions, etc. In other words, all the stuff 
> they badly need, in stead
> of the stuff they don't care about from the 4.2.7 installer package.
>
> As example WB engine in the Gold Pack I use Fairy-Max, because:
> 1) it is tiny (some 100KB uncompressed including all docs, only 35KB 
> for the engine proper).
> 2) it plays many variants next to noarmal Chess (Gothic Chess, 
> Shatranj, Courier Chess etc.).
>
> ----------------- end of quote --------------
>
> So I want to propose a new bundling strategy for WinBoard 4.4.1 
> (compared to 4.2.7), abandoning
> GNUChess, including Polyglot and an opening book, and perhaps a 
> true-type Chess font
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> XBoard-devel mailing list
> XBoard-devel <at> gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/xboard-devel
>   
Tim Mann | 17 Apr 2009 05:22

Re: Bundling WinBoard 4.4

I think we still need an installer rather than (say) a zip file
that the user has to manually unzip and create his own shortcuts to,
etc.  People who like to tinker don't need them, but I think the
average Windows user expects and needs one.  Maybe you're not
suggesting that we get rid of the installer, though, but just saying
you don't personally like them...?

It seems good to me to reexamine what we bundle with the WinBoard
installer.  I'd definitely agree to get rid of GNU Chess 4, but I'd
like to keep GNU Chess 5 there just because xboard/WinBoard is
officially part of the GNU project.  However, if the engine you
suggested that can play a lot of variants is also good at conventional
chess, maybe we could include only that one -- I'm not dead set on
including a GNU Chess version.

Adding other useful stuff seems good too, as long as we make sure the
extras don't get in the way or cause confusion for beginning/basic
users who don't care about the extras, but just want to play
conventional chess against the default engine or on a chess server.
People like that are usually the majority.

Mark's idea of an installer that knows how to download more stuff is
interesting, though I think it could turn into a big project if pushed
to its logical conclusion.  One would really like to be able to
download and add in more engines and/or other accessories at any time,
but there are hundreds of engines that can be downloaded from various
places...

	--Tim

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:53:01 +0200, "h.g. muller" <h.g.muller <at> hccnet.nl> wrote:
> I already raised this point in a private mail to Arun, but I would like to 
> put it up for
> discussion in public. It is about the bundling strategy used for the 
> distribution of the
> WinBoard executable. For XBoard this is not an issue, as Linux users do not
> appreciate bundling and rely on the package depency mechanism to acquire their
> software. But for WinBoard bundling is really essential, as Windows users 
> are in
> general tot capable to install anything that does not come with the initial 
> install.
> So important components, like Polyglot, must not be missing. In addition, 
> we should
> provide data files for some of the new features to be usable in the 
> install, such as
> bitmaps for the board texture, and an opening book.
> 
>  From the e-mail extchange between Arun and me:
> 
> ------------------------ quote -----------------------
>  > I think 4.2.8 comes with some sort of windows installer, do you know 
> anything  about this?
> 
> I have seen that, and I guess I have even used it first time I installed 
> WinBoard on
> one of my systems (which must have been in 2006). But I positively hate 
> installers,
> and since that first install, I only copy winboard.exe files from one PC to 
> another.
> (Note that I did ignore the entry where Chessknight did the initial logging 
> of the
> installer files in the CVS.)
> 
> Anyway, the way the installer would install WinBoard on a Windows PC looks 
> nothing
> like the way I distribute WinBoard 4.3.15. For one, it contains the GNU 
> Chess engines,
> which I think we should really abandon. GNU Chess might have been of 
> interest and even
> instrumental at the conception of XBoard, but today it is just a mediocre 
> Chess engine
> amongst many hundreds. It is not particularly good (there are free engines 
> that are
> more than 500 Elo stronger, even as open source), it is not particularly 
> small, (strongly
> driving up the size of the download), it does not play any variants except 
> 'normal'...
> So to dump not one, but even two versions of it on every WinBoard user is 
> really silly.
> 
> OTOH, much of the essential supporting software is missing in the 4.2.7 
> install. Poor
> bundling is one of the main causes of the demise of WinBoard as main Chess 
> interface
> on Windows. For the average Windows user that would benefit from an 
> installer, having
> to download supporting software is a real show stopper, as in general they 
> would not
> know where to find it, or where to put it to make it work with WinBoard. So 
> they cannot
> run any UCI engines because they lack Polyglot. They cannot run engine 
> tournaments
> because they lack a Tournament Manager. So they turn to other GUIs that 
> have these
> functions as intrinsic features.
> 
> For this reason we created the 'WinBoard Gold Pack', (downloadble from 
> WinBoard forum)
> which contains a complete installation tree of ready-to-run executables, 
> containing not only
> WinBoard (as executable), but aso Polyglot, PSWBTM, an opening book, an 
> example
> WB engine and an example UCI engine, example bitmap files for board 
> textures, PGN
> and EPD files with test positions, etc. In other words, all the stuff they 
> badly need, in stead
> of the stuff they don't care about from the 4.2.7 installer package.
> 
> As example WB engine in the Gold Pack I use Fairy-Max, because:
> 1) it is tiny (some 100KB uncompressed including all docs, only 35KB for 
> the engine proper).
> 2) it plays many variants next to noarmal Chess (Gothic Chess, Shatranj, 
> Courier Chess etc.).
> 
> ----------------- end of quote --------------
> 
> So I want to propose a new bundling strategy for WinBoard 4.4.1 (compared 
> to 4.2.7), abandoning
> GNUChess, including Polyglot and an opening book, and perhaps a true-type 
> Chess font

--

-- 
Tim Mann  tim <at> tim-mann.org  http://tim-mann.org/
h.g. muller | 17 Apr 2009 10:54
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XBoard 5.0

I tried to make a list of the features that would have to be ported to XBoard
before a Windows build of a platform-independent XBoard (= 5.0) could replace
WinBoard entirely, so that we could drop the latter. See below. I don't claim
the list is complete, but it should cover most issues. Please feel free to add.
When the list is complete, we should perhaps put it in the CVS as a separate
ToDo_5.0 file, after eaborating a bit on each point (determining importance and
magnitude of the ob, and perhaps a hint of how it could be done.)

H.G.

---------------------------------------------------------

Features that have to be ported to XBoard 5.0 before we can abandon WinBoard:

* Winboard_x evaluation-graph window
* User-adjudication menu items (in "Action" menu).
* remembering settings in a .ini file (with menu items for this)
* font-based rendering of pieces
* background textures for board
* fix variant-dependent selection of built-in piece types
* fix edit-position popup to include the new piece types
* snappy and sticky windows (broken in WB too, since XP!)
* "Options -> Board..." menu for setting board and piece colors
* clock adjustment by user clicking on it
* browsing in file-selector dialog
* saving board display as bitmap diagram
* start-up dialog. (Can this be made into a menu popup that could be called 
at any time?)
* decent ICS-interaction window with context-dependent popup menu
* Winboard_x game-list improvements (allowing display of subselections)
* "Options -> Game List..." menu
* "Options -> ICS..." menu
* "Options -> Sounds..." menu
* "Options -> Fonts..." menu (?)
* Display of engine logos
Daniel Mehrmann | 17 Apr 2009 14:40
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Re: Bundling WinBoard 4.4

Hi !

I fully agree with Tim here ! 

Xboard is a part of the large GNU-Project and that shouldn't be ignored. The maintask of X-/Winboard is
still playing chess over the internet and viewing games. It might be hurts X-/Winboard if people starts
developing on X-/Winboard with the own only focus on "computerchess" and all related topics with that.
You're guys losing the view, the reality, how and why Xboard is used today from ten-thousands of people out
there. 

At least i like the idea of an additional installer over the net :)

Best,
Daniel

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:22:59 -0700
> Von: Tim Mann <tim <at> tim-mann.org>
> An: "h.g. muller" <h.g.muller <at> hccnet.nl>
> CC: xboard-devel <at> gnu.org, tim <at> tim-mann.org
> Betreff: Re: [XBoard-devel] Bundling WinBoard 4.4

> I think we still need an installer rather than (say) a zip file
> that the user has to manually unzip and create his own shortcuts to,
> etc.  People who like to tinker don't need them, but I think the
> average Windows user expects and needs one.  Maybe you're not
> suggesting that we get rid of the installer, though, but just saying
> you don't personally like them...?
> 
> It seems good to me to reexamine what we bundle with the WinBoard
> installer.  I'd definitely agree to get rid of GNU Chess 4, but I'd
> like to keep GNU Chess 5 there just because xboard/WinBoard is
> officially part of the GNU project.  However, if the engine you
> suggested that can play a lot of variants is also good at conventional
> chess, maybe we could include only that one -- I'm not dead set on
> including a GNU Chess version.
> 
> Adding other useful stuff seems good too, as long as we make sure the
> extras don't get in the way or cause confusion for beginning/basic
> users who don't care about the extras, but just want to play
> conventional chess against the default engine or on a chess server.
> People like that are usually the majority.
> 
> Mark's idea of an installer that knows how to download more stuff is
> interesting, though I think it could turn into a big project if pushed
> to its logical conclusion.  One would really like to be able to
> download and add in more engines and/or other accessories at any time,
> but there are hundreds of engines that can be downloaded from various
> places...
> 
> 	--Tim
> 
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:53:01 +0200, "h.g. muller" <h.g.muller <at> hccnet.nl>
> wrote:
> > I already raised this point in a private mail to Arun, but I would like
> to 
> > put it up for
> > discussion in public. It is about the bundling strategy used for the 
> > distribution of the
> > WinBoard executable. For XBoard this is not an issue, as Linux users do
> not
> > appreciate bundling and rely on the package depency mechanism to acquire
> their
> > software. But for WinBoard bundling is really essential, as Windows
> users 
> > are in
> > general tot capable to install anything that does not come with the
> initial 
> > install.
> > So important components, like Polyglot, must not be missing. In
> addition, 
> > we should
> > provide data files for some of the new features to be usable in the 
> > install, such as
> > bitmaps for the board texture, and an opening book.
> > 
> >  From the e-mail extchange between Arun and me:
> > 
> > ------------------------ quote -----------------------
> >  > I think 4.2.8 comes with some sort of windows installer, do you know 
> > anything  about this?
> > 
> > I have seen that, and I guess I have even used it first time I installed
> > WinBoard on
> > one of my systems (which must have been in 2006). But I positively hate 
> > installers,
> > and since that first install, I only copy winboard.exe files from one PC
> to 
> > another.
> > (Note that I did ignore the entry where Chessknight did the initial
> logging 
> > of the
> > installer files in the CVS.)
> > 
> > Anyway, the way the installer would install WinBoard on a Windows PC
> looks 
> > nothing
> > like the way I distribute WinBoard 4.3.15. For one, it contains the GNU 
> > Chess engines,
> > which I think we should really abandon. GNU Chess might have been of 
> > interest and even
> > instrumental at the conception of XBoard, but today it is just a
> mediocre 
> > Chess engine
> > amongst many hundreds. It is not particularly good (there are free
> engines 
> > that are
> > more than 500 Elo stronger, even as open source), it is not particularly
> > small, (strongly
> > driving up the size of the download), it does not play any variants
> except 
> > 'normal'...
> > So to dump not one, but even two versions of it on every WinBoard user
> is 
> > really silly.
> > 
> > OTOH, much of the essential supporting software is missing in the 4.2.7 
> > install. Poor
> > bundling is one of the main causes of the demise of WinBoard as main
> Chess 
> > interface
> > on Windows. For the average Windows user that would benefit from an 
> > installer, having
> > to download supporting software is a real show stopper, as in general
> they 
> > would not
> > know where to find it, or where to put it to make it work with WinBoard.
> So 
> > they cannot
> > run any UCI engines because they lack Polyglot. They cannot run engine 
> > tournaments
> > because they lack a Tournament Manager. So they turn to other GUIs that 
> > have these
> > functions as intrinsic features.
> > 
> > For this reason we created the 'WinBoard Gold Pack', (downloadble from 
> > WinBoard forum)
> > which contains a complete installation tree of ready-to-run executables,
> > containing not only
> > WinBoard (as executable), but aso Polyglot, PSWBTM, an opening book, an 
> > example
> > WB engine and an example UCI engine, example bitmap files for board 
> > textures, PGN
> > and EPD files with test positions, etc. In other words, all the stuff
> they 
> > badly need, in stead
> > of the stuff they don't care about from the 4.2.7 installer package.
> > 
> > As example WB engine in the Gold Pack I use Fairy-Max, because:
> > 1) it is tiny (some 100KB uncompressed including all docs, only 35KB for
> > the engine proper).
> > 2) it plays many variants next to noarmal Chess (Gothic Chess, Shatranj,
> > Courier Chess etc.).
> > 
> > ----------------- end of quote --------------
> > 
> > So I want to propose a new bundling strategy for WinBoard 4.4.1
> (compared 
> > to 4.2.7), abandoning
> > GNUChess, including Polyglot and an opening book, and perhaps a
> true-type 
> > Chess font
> 
> -- 
> Tim Mann  tim <at> tim-mann.org  http://tim-mann.org/
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> XBoard-devel mailing list
> XBoard-devel <at> gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/xboard-devel
h.g. muller | 17 Apr 2009 16:54
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Re: Bundling WinBoard 4.4

At 14:40 17-4-2009 +0200, Daniel Mehrmann wrote:
>Hi !
>
>I fully agree with Tim here !
>
>Xboard is a part of the large GNU-Project and that shouldn't be ignored. 
>The maintask of X-/Winboard is still playing chess over the internet and 
>viewing games.

Hi Daniel! Good to see you here!

I don't think that I denied that, but if that is the case, why include a 
chess engine at all?
The question of what engine(s) best to include only depends on the fraction 
of users
that want to use a chess engine, no matter how small that fraction is.

So the question is: what kind of users are this, and what do they typically 
want to use
the engine for. Do they want to analyze games from file or ICS with it? Do 
they want to
play it against itself or other engines and watch and learn? Do they want 
to play against
it by themselves? If so, what level would they prefer? I think these are 
very valid questions.

I think taking the stance "we are GNU, so we must push whatever other GNU 
product,
no matter what" is a good idea. Quality and service should be the guiding 
principles.

>It might be hurts X-/Winboard if people starts developing on X-/Winboard 
>with the own only focus on "computerchess" and all related topics with 
>that. You're guys losing the view, the reality, how and why Xboard is used 
>today from ten-thousands of people out there.

Still the wrong question. We should ask why it is NOT used by millions of 
people out there.
If ICS users are our principle market, we are losing big there to Dasher 
and BabasChess.
Virtually no ICS user would consider WinBoard a serious ICS interface as 
long as it
would not implement a seek graph, and you have to type "tell JohnDoe" for 
every sentence
you want to communicate.

But the main point is that nothing I proposed in any way would degrade the 
attractiveness
of X/WinBoard for ICS users. Of course the bundle would contain 
timestamp.exe and
timeseal.exe, and shortcuts to logon to ICC and FICS. The Gold Pack has 
those too.
It even provides a zippy shortcut.

>At least i like the idea of an additional installer over the net :)
>
>Best,
>Daniel
h.g. muller | 17 Apr 2009 17:10
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Mehrman WB

I also wanted to ask Daniel the following, but thought it better to put it 
in another message:

Are there features in the "Mehrmann WB extensions" fork that we should 
rescue the code for?
I had the impression that after committing it, you started to transfer the 
important patches
to the main line yourself. I now copied that effort by transferring the 
same patches to my
code. The mousewheel support I have not tested yet, as I have no wheel use 
on my laptop,
and the ICS-engine analysis collides with my autoKibitz patch, so I still 
have to do some
work on it. But I have little doubt I will get that running; I should 
simply switch off the
autoKibitz when icsEngineAnalyze is on (to prevent the analysis to be 
kibitzed to the
people playing the observed game, and divert kibitz of an observed engine 
game back to
the main ICS window rather than the engine-output window.)

But is there other stuff in there that we should copy?

Regards,
H.G.
Arun Persaud | 19 Apr 2009 21:06
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xboard developement plan/roadmap

Hi

here is something like a roadmap for xboard as I see it at the moment. It includes already quite a few of the
item that H.G. suggested, but I might have missed some. Feel free to edit/comment on it either here or in the wiki.

http://wiki.nubati.net/Xboard

4.2.8 should be ready real soon.
4.4.0 compiles on windows, needs some adjustment on linux and we have to look into creating an installer.
Source code is 99% ready thanks to lots of magic by HG.  
5.x  have a version of 4.2.8 in gtk that shows just the main window with lots of graphic issues ;) but it's a
start ;)

cheers
      ARUN

Gmane