Br. Samuel Springuel | 24 Jul 19:34 2014

Selecting Staff Size by the Font Size of the Lyrics

I like the ratio of staff size to the size of the lyrics that lilypond 
normally uses.  However, I have to print out some large format scores 
for a confrere who has vision problems and thus need to increase the 
size of the lyrics so that he can read them comfortably.  I know from 
past experience that a 17pt font is comfortable for him to read.

Is there a way to tell lilypond to select the staff size so that the 
accompanying lyrics are printed at 17pt?  Or do I simply have to play 
around with the staffsize settings until I find one that gets the lyrics 
to approximately the right size?

Br. Samuel, OSB
(R. Padraic Springuel)


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G. de Silva | 24 Jul 11:18 2014

Insert pre-defined guitar fretboard diagrams


I am a newbie with Lilypond and trying to find out a way to insert a 
guitar fret board diagrams on a score.

Can someone point me to an example how this can be done, please?

I did find an example of including customised fret board diagrams but so 
far have not been able to find one where I can simply use the 
pre-defined diagrams.

Many thanks.



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Hans Aberg | 24 Jul 00:33 2014

Subbeaming and first measure grace notes

Is this a bug in the example below? The grace notes inhibit the called for subbeaming in the first measure;
its OK in the following measure, and also when adding \partial. One can take away the triplet and replace
with 1/16 notes.

\version "2.19.10"

\language "english"

music = \new Staff {
  \key e \minor

  \tempo 4 = 84
  \time 2/4

  \set subdivideBeams = ##t
  \set baseMoment = #(ly:make-moment 1/8)
  \set beatStructure = #'(2 2)

  \relative e' {
    \tuplet 3/2 {\grace {g16 fs} e8 fs16} g16 a16  b8 b |
    \tuplet 3/2 {\grace {g16 a} b8 c16} a16 c16  b8-. g8 |

\score {
	\layout {}
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Janek Warchoł | 23 Jul 23:31 2014

Re: notation rule question


2014-07-23 18:07 GMT+02:00 Brian Barker <b.m.barker <at>>:
> At 13:46 23/07/2014 +0200, Karol Majewski wrote:
>> And how to divide this:
>> c4 c8 c8~ c4 c4
>> or
>> c4 c8 c4. c4
> Elaine Gould says (on pp.166-7) "Note-values sustained across a beat or
> half-beat must expose the beat structure of the bar", "Only very
> straightforward rhythms may be written across the beat or half-bar", and "In
> 4/4 it is the third (not the fourth) beat that should be exposed". She gives
> as an example:
> c8 c4.~ c8 c4 c8
> and says "and not"
> c8 c2 c4 c8
> So she'd certainly pick your first option.

I second that.  Not earlier than on last Monday i was heavily confused
by the notation similar to the second one (i.e. without explicit 3rd
beat).  I believe that something like that makes sight-reading much
harder, unless someone is an expert in this kind of music.

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ivan.k.kuznetsov | 23 Jul 22:03 2014

When a singer speaks rather than sings.

In a vocal part I am notating, while the singer mostly
sings notated pitches, there are a few parts
where the singer will speak text in notated

When this is done is scores that I have seen,
sometimes it is done with just stems, flags and
beams (but no note heads) such as in 
the Charles Ives song "Charlie Rutlage".
I have also seen it just written with 
the note heads as "x"s on a stave (such as
with a percussion score).  How does
one go about implementing either method
in lilypond?  I do prefer the latter, though.

Thank you for your help.
Paul Scott | 23 Jul 21:32 2014

19.10 install

I have installed the GNU/Linux 64-bit 19.10 version several times 
(after uninstall-lilypond).

Each time lilypond -v gives me GNU LilyPond 2.19.8
and running it on files with 
\version "2.19.10"
error: program too old: 2.19.8 (file requires: 2.19.10)

TIA for any ideas?

Paul Scott
Martyn Quick | 23 Jul 21:31 2014

Vibrato using textspanner - stopping before a bar-line

I've been using the textspanner to indicate vibrato on notes.  This works on the whole quite well, usually a bit better if I use a hidden grace note to stop the textspan when finishing the vibrato.  However, it doesn't quite work as I'd hoped for notes at the end of a bar.  I would like the vibrato sign (the wavy line) to stop before the bar not continue on to the next bar.  (This is even more so when the vibrato is at the end of a line.)

The following example shows the issue:

\version "2.18.2"

startVib = -\single\override = #'trill
  -\single\override TextSpanner.minimum-length = #10
  -\single\override TextSpanner.springs-and-rods = #ly:spanner::set-spacing-rods

\score {
  \new Staff { \clef "treble"
    \relative c' {
      c \startVib c \stopTextSpan c c |
      c \startVib \hideNotes \grace c \stopTextSpan \unHideNotes c c
      c \startVib \hideNotes \grace c \stopTextSpan \unHideNotes |
      c c c c |

Any advice?

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PMA | 23 Jul 20:53 2014

New LilyPond on Ancient Debian?

Hi List.

My Debian version is Squeeze (oldstable),
with default LilyPond at version 2.12.3-7.

Has any of you successfully upgraded LP
to version 2.18.0-1 on that system?

Larry Kent | 23 Jul 20:05 2014

Mystery quirk in lyrics - only in the bass part

Interesting quirk that popped up this morning, and I wonder if anyone else has come across anything similar.

 I'm working on an "a cappella" choral score, and the lyrics are misbehaving - but only in the bass part.  Here's what is happening:

1.  Lyric extenders do not appear in the bass part, although they do show up as expected in every other part.  Just to make sure I was not mis-typing or something, I copied and pasted the same text etc from the alto part, but no luck.

2.  The second problem is not connected to extenders, but is also limited only to the bass part (same score as above).  Throughout the score, in the bass part, the final syllable of a hyphenated word  is left-aligned rather than centered, as it should be - and as it is in all of the other parts throughout.

A couple of details that might help anyone who wants to offer theories or advice:

1.  I'm not using any slurs, and not asking anything to happen automatically with the lyrics.

2.  I'm running LilyPond 2.18 and 2.16 (with the same results), Windows 8.1 and I use Frescobaldi 2.0.16 to edit and compile the score.  I also ran it directly in LilyPond 2.18, all with the same results.

Any thoughts on this, anyone?

Thanks in advance.

Larry Kent
Tampa, Florida
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Urs Liska | 23 Jul 18:04 2014


Hi all,

is it possible to take a music expression and print out its literal input?
In other words: Could I write a function "\example" that takes a music 
expression as an argument and that first outputs the input code as text 
and then as a score?

So that

\example {
   \relative c' {
     c8 d e

would turn out the same as writing

\markup \typewriter \column {
   "\\relative c' {"
   "  c8 d e"

\score {
   \relative c' {
     c8 d e f

This would be cool for writing LilyPond usage examples where you can 
print the input and get the result from it. Unfortunately I don't have a 
clue whether or how this can be achieved.

Thanks for any hints
Mike Solomon | 23 Jul 17:35 2014

Re: notation rule question

On Jul 23, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Phil Holmes <mail <at>> wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Solomon
>> I’ve never seen a hemiola in 4/4 - the most frequent use of it I’ve seen is in 3/8 in Händel’s music.
> Something of a cheat, but check out Sea Fever, by John Ireland - the penultimate bar in each verse?

’tis cheating - I vote for taking away one point from John Ireland for violating the “Thou shalt not
write a 12/8 piece in 4/4 unless said 12/8 piece is consistently swung and you are using the two eighths
equals triplet quarter triplet 8th” commandment.