Johan Vromans | 29 Aug 17:51 2014
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Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language "english" ?

Brian Barker <b.m.barker <at> btinternet.com> writes:

> There are surely two ways of indicating pitches? One is the method
> used in musical notation itself, where a note on the C line or space
> without any accidental represents any one of C, C-sharp, or C-flat,
> depending on the key signature. The other is that used in Lilypond
> input, where "c" always represents C-natural, irrespective of the key
> signature in force. Similarly "cis" or "cs" and so on are interpreted
> literally, without reference to the key signature.

+1
Keith OHara | 29 Aug 17:38 2014
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Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language "english" ?

On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 03:06:31 -0700, Brian Barker <b.m.barker <at> btinternet.com> wrote:

> At 23:41 28/08/2014 -0700, Keith OHara wrote:
>> The suggestion quoted below from the bug-lilypond list
>> <http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2014-08/msg00037.html>
>> makes sense to me, as an addition to the \language "english"  note-names.
>>
>> It would not fit in German-style pitch-names, where 'cis' and 'ces'
>> get completely distinct names from 'c'.
>
> Sorry, but I don't see the distinction you are trying to make between
> German and English. Surely C, C-sharp, and C-flat (and for that
> matter -double sharp and -double flat) have separate names in any
> language, including German, English, German Lilypond, and English Lilypond?
>

In English the names use two parts, noun-adjective, which allows the construction "C-natural".  German
has single words (ces c cis) for the pitches, and these are distinct from the names for the alterations (Be,
AuflösungZeichen, Kreuz).  English speakers use "C-natural" to name the pitch in contexts where the key
has sharped the scale-step C.

>  After entering "cn" in, say, D major,
> one would readily fall into the trap of using "c" in the next bar
> where "cis" (or "cs") was actually meant and required.
>

The feature-request implicitly assumed, based on experience, that such errors already happen.  Anyone
using, for example, ABC notation had developed the habit of typing 'C' for the pitch at scale-step C in the key.

The distinct naming was suggested as a way to help us more efficiently correct those errors.
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Jacques Menu | 29 Aug 16:58 2014
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Re: Add lyrics after n measures

Hello Marco,

Always copy the list in your messages, to let the them know.

Put as many \skip as you have notes in the melody in the first 8 bars if you use  \addlyrics or \lyricsto, otherwise use skip2. eight times for example.

JM

Am 29.08.2014 um 16:29:04 schrieb Marco Bagolin <bagolin.marco <at> gmail.com>:

Thank you Jaques.
But what is the value of the duration to write after \skip ?
In my case time is 3/4. I want add the lyrics after 8 measures. What must I write?

Il 29/ago/2014 15:50 "Jacques Menu" <imj-muzhic <at> bluewin.ch> ha scritto:
Hello Marco,

Spacer rests are available only in note mode and chord mode. In other situations, for example, when entering lyrics, the command \skip is used to skip a musical moment. \skip requires an explicit duration, but this is ignored if the lyrics derive their durations from the notes in an associated melody through \addlyrics or \lyricsto.

<< {

a2 \skip2 a2 a2 } \new Lyrics { \lyricmode { foo2 \skip 1 bla2 }

} >>

􏰀jm

Because \skip is a command, it does not aect the default durations of following notes, unlike s

Am 29.08.2014 um 15:48:37 schrieb Marco <bagolin.marco <at> gmail.com>:

Hello,
I can't find in the manuals and tutorials
how to add lyrics after n measures.
I want that lyrics start at the 4th measure.
(after a little intro)
How can I do it?
I tried many ways but lyrics start always
with the first measure.

Thank you
MB


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Knute Snortum | 29 Aug 16:20 2014
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Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language "english" ?

English speakers (at least the ones in my part of America) will say "cee" or "cee-natural" for the note C.  The latter is to emphasis that you are not speaking of another pitch like C-sharp.  In the key of D, say, some people will say "cee" when they mean "cee-sharp".  "cee-natural" shows you haven't made this mistake.

So it seems natural (!) that LilyPond would include this sort of emphasis.  Writing "cs" (with \language "english" and \key d \major) is confusing to newcomers -- as evidenced by the section in the documentation under Accidentals.  "cn" in LilyPond would be like speaking "cee-natural" -- it would assure the reader that you really mean C-natural.  The compiler would just ignore it.


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On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 3:06 AM, Brian Barker <b.m.barker <at> btinternet.com> wrote:
At 23:41 28/08/2014 -0700, Keith OHara wrote:
The suggestion quoted below from the bug-lilypond list
<http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2014-08/msg00037.html>
makes sense to me, as an addition to the \language "english"  note-names.

It would not fit in German-style pitch-names, where 'cis' and 'ces' get completely distinct names from 'c'.

Sorry, but I don't see the distinction you are trying to make between German and English. Surely C, C-sharp, and C-flat (and for that matter -double sharp and -double flat) have separate names in any language, including German, English, German Lilypond, and English Lilypond?


Would anyone else like to see 'fn' as a second way to express F-natural in English (in addition to the existing 'f') ?

No: please not.

There are surely two ways of indicating pitches? One is the method used in musical notation itself, where a note on the C line or space without any accidental represents any one of C, C-sharp, or C-flat, depending on the key signature. The other is that used in Lilypond input, where "c" always represents C-natural, irrespective of the key signature in force. Similarly "cis" or "cs" and so on are interpreted literally, without reference to the key signature.

The danger in allowing "cn" would not be to the operation of Lilypond but to the mind of the user! As soon as you allow the user to input "cn", s/he will easily be distracted into thinking in terms of the first method above and will easily omit the appropriate necessary suffixes when a modified pitch is required but which is already present in the key signature. After entering "cn" in, say, D major, one would readily fall into the trap of using "c" in the next bar where "cis" (or "cs") was actually meant and required.

David Winfrey writes:
A new accidental for entering natural notes would be useful. [...]

The original suggester has fallen into this very trap by mentioning an accidental: that's musical thinking, not Lilypond thinking. Accidentals in the musical output appear automatically; no concept of "accidental" is necessary in the Lilypond method of entering pitches.

You could argue that Lilypond input should work like music does (for the avoidance of doubt, I'm not doing that), but that's a completely different suggestion.

Brian Barker 

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Marco | 29 Aug 15:48 2014
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Add lyrics after n measures

Hello,
I can't find in the manuals and tutorials
how to add lyrics after n measures. 
I want that lyrics start at the 4th measure.
(after a little intro)
How can I do it?
I tried many ways but lyrics start always
with the first measure.

Thank you
MB
Richard Shann | 29 Aug 13:20 2014

Fixed measure width for chord charts.

I have been developing LilyPond code to enable the generation of "Chord
Charts" such as the one attached here.
They differ from conventional music notation by being short, comprising
only Chord Symbols with one or two chord durations, and, ideally, a
fixed measure spacing, usually four to a line.
Various tweaks have been applied in this example to suit very small
displays.
The remaining outstanding difficulty is controlling the measure width -
ideally all the bar lines would align vertically down the screen (the
chord symbols would be made smaller if they didn't fit).
I have set

\set Score.proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1/4)

which helps make the measures more even in width, but not entirely.

Can anyone suggest something that would essentially turn off the fancy
spacing algorithms that are running? Or perhaps point me to some scheme
code governing the spacing which I could tweak?

Richard

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Martin Tarenskeen | 29 Aug 12:23 2014
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Re: PDF output without (fwd)


On Fri, 29 Aug 2014, Urs Liska wrote:

>  That line is created by the "tagline" header field.
>
>  To remove that use
>
>  \header {
>    tagline = ""
>  }
>

Or:

tagline = ##f

Question: is there a difference? Does maybe

 	tagline = ""

use any (invisible) vertical space in the output, while

 	tagline = ##f

does not? I haven't tried yet.

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-- 

MT
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Marco | 29 Aug 11:14 2014
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PDF output without

Is it possible to have a PDF output without
"Music Engraving by Lilypond..." text?
Thank you
MB
Keith OHara | 29 Aug 08:41 2014
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would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language "english" ?

Dear user list,
   The suggestion quoted below from the bug-lilypond list
<http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2014-08/msg00037.html>
makes sense to me, as an addition to the \language "english"  note-names.

It would not fit in German-style pitch-names, where 'cis' and 'ces' get completely distinct names from 'c'.
I am not sure if something similar makes sense in fixed-do naming as used in French and Spanish.

Would anyone else like to see 'fn' as a second way to express F-natural in English (in addition to the
existing 'f') ?

David Winfrey <> writes:

> A new accidental for entering natural notes would be useful.
>In English, this would be 'n', as in 'bn4' or 'gn2'.
>These would have exactly the same effect as 'b4' or 'g2',
> but would be easier to debug.
>If the user is entering or editing music in the key of F,
> or some other key where B is normally flat, it is often
> not clear if 'b4' was intended to be B-natural, or if
> someone just forgot to flat it.
>If the note is written as 'bn4', the note was clearly
> meant to be B-natural.
Samuel Speer | 28 Aug 19:21 2014
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Context order

Hi list,

I'm wondering if there is a simple way to keep the PianoStaff at the bottom of the vertical group, regardless of contexts being created / destroyed above it.

Basically, I've created a ChoirStaff with non-simultaneous music and grouped it with the PianoStaff:

<<

  ChoirStaff <<
     {
         << First line of music >>
         << Next line of music >>
         << Third line of music >>
      }
   >>

  PianoStaff <<
    { All lines of music combined }
  >>

>>

In the attached pdf, you'll see that the PianoStaff jumps to the top on the second line when new contexts are created inside the ChoirStaff. Can I force the PianoStaff to the bottom? I tried AlignBelowContext, but I think that only works for lyrics.

I've attached a full (longer) example.

Samuel.
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Janek Warchoł | 28 Aug 19:23 2014
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partcombine/divisi framework - let the fun begin!

Hi all,

I'm working on putting together a set of functions for handling parts
that split into multiple voices and/or staves (using functionality
David Kastrup implemented in
https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3518).  I attach a
first version and i'd be interested in your comments.

best,
Janek
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