Miguel de Icaza | 2 Oct 15:21 2006

Re: bug counts

Hey,

> Sept 8:
> 6 Critical
> 3 Blocker
> 10 Major

> Sept 10:
> 3 Critical
> 2 Blocker
> 4 Major

> Sept 27:
> 0 Critical
> 0 Blocker
> 1 Major

> very, very cool.  1 bug left in the top three.

This is great news Chris!
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Ken & Deb Allen | 2 Oct 20:09 2006
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Re: bug counts

Does this mean that a 1.1.18 release should be imminent? My desire/ 
need for Mono is to be able to develop relatively simple GUI based  
applications that can be compiled and executed on either Windows  
(.Net) or Mac OS X (Mono), and the alternatives to WinForms are  
simply more work than they are worth of these hobby programs (being  
developed for volunteer organizations).

-ken

On 2-Oct-06, at 9:21 AM, Miguel de Icaza wrote:

> Hey,
>
>> Sept 8:
>> 6 Critical
>> 3 Blocker
>> 10 Major
>
>> Sept 10:
>> 3 Critical
>> 2 Blocker
>> 4 Major
>
>> Sept 27:
>> 0 Critical
>> 0 Blocker
>> 1 Major
>
>> very, very cool.  1 bug left in the top three.
>
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Miguel de Icaza | 2 Oct 20:33 2006

Re: bug counts

Hello,

> Does this mean that a 1.1.18 release should be imminent? My desire/ 
> need for Mono is to be able to develop relatively simple GUI based  
> applications that can be compiled and executed on either Windows  
> (.Net) or Mac OS X (Mono), and the alternatives to WinForms are  
> simply more work than they are worth of these hobby programs (being  
> developed for volunteer organizations).

Well, Mono 1.1.next is always imminent.

What we do need though, is good testing of Windows.Forms to make sure
that no major bugs slip through.

Miguel.
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David Cornelson (gmail | 2 Oct 21:23 2006
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Re: bug counts

> Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> Well, Mono 1.1.next is always imminent.
> What we do need though, is good testing of Windows.Forms to make sure
> that no major bugs slip through.

So once that final bug is resolved and there is a consensus that WinForms
works as designed, what are the plans, if any, to simplify the packaging and
deployment processes.

It's been awhile since I've tried to run Mono on Linux and I don't think
I've ever seen MonoDevelop functioning properly. I don't think I've ever
been able to cleanly install Mono in a Linux environment without needing to
know how to resolve dependencies (which can spiral out of control quickly).

I think the question I'm asking is this. Will Mono ever be packaged so that
a non-Linux developer, say a VB 6 developer or less-experienced C#
developer, might be able to throw RedHat, Fedora, Suse, or Debian up on a
computer and quickly start creating usable and cross-platform programs that
can be easily deployed?

This would be my goal. Get those VB programmers interested. Get the guy that
writes software for mom and pop businesses interested.

David Cornelson

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Lee Turner | 2 Oct 21:53 2006
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Re: bug counts

Installing Ubuntu and then apt-get installing mono or using synaptics to do it for you has yeilded a very usuable development environment for me, mono-develop is still far from perfect but it works.

Debian/Ubuntu does have the advantage of dealing with dependancies for you (on the whole), the reason for Ubuntu is because it's generally more 'bleeding-edge' than Debian installs and will ship with a newer version of mono(develop)

anyway, that's my two cents

On 02/10/06, David Cornelson (gmail) <david.cornelson <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> Well, Mono 1.1.next is always imminent.
> What we do need though, is good testing of Windows.Forms to make sure
> that no major bugs slip through.

So once that final bug is resolved and there is a consensus that WinForms
works as designed, what are the plans, if any, to simplify the packaging and
deployment processes.

It's been awhile since I've tried to run Mono on Linux and I don't think
I've ever seen MonoDevelop functioning properly. I don't think I've ever
been able to cleanly install Mono in a Linux environment without needing to
know how to resolve dependencies (which can spiral out of control quickly).

I think the question I'm asking is this. Will Mono ever be packaged so that
a non-Linux developer, say a VB 6 developer or less-experienced C#
developer, might be able to throw RedHat, Fedora, Suse, or Debian up on a
computer and quickly start creating usable and cross-platform programs that
can be easily deployed?

This would be my goal. Get those VB programmers interested. Get the guy that
writes software for mom and pop businesses interested.

David Cornelson


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Ken & Deb Allen | 2 Oct 22:02 2006
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Re: bug counts

Ah, but the real question is when we shall see a proper Mac OS X installer for MonoDevelop, even in its current state. I have looked at some of the material, but the list of dependencies is incredibly complex and ever-changing, and I am not even certain if all of the information is even up to date.

This, along with the inability to use WinForms on Mac OS X, is a major hindrance to the adoption of Mono by Mac developers, at least in my opinion.

-ken

On 2-Oct-06, at 3:53 PM, Lee Turner wrote:

Installing Ubuntu and then apt-get installing mono or using synaptics to do it for you has yeilded a very usuable development environment for me, mono-develop is still far from perfect but it works.

Debian/Ubuntu does have the advantage of dealing with dependancies for you (on the whole), the reason for Ubuntu is because it's generally more 'bleeding-edge' than Debian installs and will ship with a newer version of mono(develop)

anyway, that's my two cents

On 02/10/06, David Cornelson (gmail) <david.cornelson <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> Well, Mono 1.1.next is always imminent.
> What we do need though, is good testing of Windows.Forms to make sure
> that no major bugs slip through.

So once that final bug is resolved and there is a consensus that WinForms
works as designed, what are the plans, if any, to simplify the packaging and
deployment processes.

It's been awhile since I've tried to run Mono on Linux and I don't think
I've ever seen MonoDevelop functioning properly. I don't think I've ever
been able to cleanly install Mono in a Linux environment without needing to
know how to resolve dependencies (which can spiral out of control quickly).

I think the question I'm asking is this. Will Mono ever be packaged so that
a non-Linux developer, say a VB 6 developer or less-experienced C#
developer, might be able to throw RedHat, Fedora, Suse, or Debian up on a
computer and quickly start creating usable and cross-platform programs that
can be easily deployed?

This would be my goal. Get those VB programmers interested. Get the guy that
writes software for mom and pop businesses interested.

David Cornelson


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Lee Turner | 2 Oct 22:10 2006
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Re: bug counts

Install X11 stuff from Mac OS X CD, install mono from binary package on website and WinForms will work.

However, I'll give you your point on Monodevelop, I looked at it and just though... "Hmm, I'll stick to my ubuntu box.."

What I'd really like to see is a GUI driven forms designer for WinForms ala VS2K3 and VS2K5, doing WinForms by hand is a pita!
(well, it's nice to dream)

-Lee

On 02/10/06, Ken & Deb Allen <kendrhyd <at> sympatico.ca> wrote:
Ah, but the real question is when we shall see a proper Mac OS X installer for MonoDevelop, even in its current state. I have looked at some of the material, but the list of dependencies is incredibly complex and ever-changing, and I am not even certain if all of the information is even up to date.

This, along with the inability to use WinForms on Mac OS X, is a major hindrance to the adoption of Mono by Mac developers, at least in my opinion.

-ken

On 2-Oct-06, at 3:53 PM, Lee Turner wrote:

Installing Ubuntu and then apt-get installing mono or using synaptics to do it for you has yeilded a very usuable development environment for me, mono-develop is still far from perfect but it works.

Debian/Ubuntu does have the advantage of dealing with dependancies for you (on the whole), the reason for Ubuntu is because it's generally more 'bleeding-edge' than Debian installs and will ship with a newer version of mono(develop)

anyway, that's my two cents

On 02/10/06, David Cornelson (gmail) < david.cornelson <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> Well, Mono 1.1.next is always imminent.
> What we do need though, is good testing of Windows.Forms to make sure
> that no major bugs slip through.

So once that final bug is resolved and there is a consensus that WinForms
works as designed, what are the plans, if any, to simplify the packaging and
deployment processes.

It's been awhile since I've tried to run Mono on Linux and I don't think
I've ever seen MonoDevelop functioning properly. I don't think I've ever
been able to cleanly install Mono in a Linux environment without needing to
know how to resolve dependencies (which can spiral out of control quickly).

I think the question I'm asking is this. Will Mono ever be packaged so that
a non-Linux developer, say a VB 6 developer or less-experienced C#
developer, might be able to throw RedHat, Fedora, Suse, or Debian up on a
computer and quickly start creating usable and cross-platform programs that
can be easily deployed?

This would be my goal. Get those VB programmers interested. Get the guy that
writes software for mom and pop businesses interested.

David Cornelson


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Ken & Deb Allen | 2 Oct 22:47 2006
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Re: bug counts

Sorry, but while one can compile and execute code that uses WinForms under Mac OS, it does not WORK, or at least not very well at all. For example, I have a very simple application with a form that contains a combobox, and if I can only change the contents of the combobox once -- pressing the drop-down arrow subsequent times has no effect! Also, the double-click handler for the ListBox does not file. There are also a large number of other problems, that basically render WinForms unusable as of 1.1.17 release.

-ken

On 2-Oct-06, at 4:10 PM, Lee Turner wrote:

Install X11 stuff from Mac OS X CD, install mono from binary package on website and WinForms will work.

However, I'll give you your point on Monodevelop, I looked at it and just though... "Hmm, I'll stick to my ubuntu box.."

What I'd really like to see is a GUI driven forms designer for WinForms ala VS2K3 and VS2K5, doing WinForms by hand is a pita!
(well, it's nice to dream)

-Lee

On 02/10/06, Ken & Deb Allen <kendrhyd <at> sympatico.ca> wrote:
Ah, but the real question is when we shall see a proper Mac OS X installer for MonoDevelop, even in its current state. I have looked at some of the material, but the list of dependencies is incredibly complex and ever-changing, and I am not even certain if all of the information is even up to date.

This, along with the inability to use WinForms on Mac OS X, is a major hindrance to the adoption of Mono by Mac developers, at least in my opinion.

-ken

On 2-Oct-06, at 3:53 PM, Lee Turner wrote:

Installing Ubuntu and then apt-get installing mono or using synaptics to do it for you has yeilded a very usuable development environment for me, mono-develop is still far from perfect but it works.

Debian/Ubuntu does have the advantage of dealing with dependancies for you (on the whole), the reason for Ubuntu is because it's generally more 'bleeding-edge' than Debian installs and will ship with a newer version of mono(develop)

anyway, that's my two cents

On 02/10/06, David Cornelson (gmail) < david.cornelson <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> Well, Mono 1.1.next is always imminent.
> What we do need though, is good testing of Windows.Forms to make sure
> that no major bugs slip through.

So once that final bug is resolved and there is a consensus that WinForms
works as designed, what are the plans, if any, to simplify the packaging and
deployment processes.

It's been awhile since I've tried to run Mono on Linux and I don't think
I've ever seen MonoDevelop functioning properly. I don't think I've ever
been able to cleanly install Mono in a Linux environment without needing to
know how to resolve dependencies (which can spiral out of control quickly).

I think the question I'm asking is this. Will Mono ever be packaged so that
a non-Linux developer, say a VB 6 developer or less-experienced C#
developer, might be able to throw RedHat, Fedora, Suse, or Debian up on a
computer and quickly start creating usable and cross-platform programs that
can be easily deployed?

This would be my goal. Get those VB programmers interested. Get the guy that
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Joe Dluzen | 2 Oct 23:02 2006
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Re: bug counts

Yes indeed Ubuntu does handle dependencies well.

I currently have the setup as follows:

Use Synaptic to install mono/monodevelop/class library. (Makes
everything integrate nicely with the GUI, launching of apps, etc.)
Get the mono source, rebuild, and then install over top of the
Synaptic mono installation.
Rebuild each day, if no errors, install again.

The only problem I had was that I needed to specify the install path
for mono, I think it was /usr, but I'm not sure.

I've been following Monodevelop progress for a while, and it's really
getting good! My all time favorite time saver is code completion, and
with the latest release, it got a lot better. It still has some
quirks, but most have been fixed. GUI development had some
improvements too. When all the files/dlls finally get cached in
memory, Monodevelop speeds along nicely. I develop all of my cross
platform apps with monodevelop now.

So to answer your question, yes I believe that it is currently
possible to quickly develop cross platform apps right now. As for
packaging mono/develop, I don't see why the next release wouldn't let
you do as you describe. As I see it, the current release seems to fit
your case too.

joe

On 10/2/06, David Cornelson (gmail) <david.cornelson <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> > Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> > Well, Mono 1.1.next is always imminent.
> > What we do need though, is good testing of Windows.Forms to make sure
> > that no major bugs slip through.
>
> So once that final bug is resolved and there is a consensus that WinForms
> works as designed, what are the plans, if any, to simplify the packaging and
> deployment processes.
>
> It's been awhile since I've tried to run Mono on Linux and I don't think
> I've ever seen MonoDevelop functioning properly. I don't think I've ever
> been able to cleanly install Mono in a Linux environment without needing to
> know how to resolve dependencies (which can spiral out of control quickly).
>
> I think the question I'm asking is this. Will Mono ever be packaged so that
> a non-Linux developer, say a VB 6 developer or less-experienced C#
> developer, might be able to throw RedHat, Fedora, Suse, or Debian up on a
> computer and quickly start creating usable and cross-platform programs that
> can be easily deployed?
>
> This would be my goal. Get those VB programmers interested. Get the guy that
> writes software for mom and pop businesses interested.
>
> David Cornelson
>
>
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Pavel Bansky | 2 Oct 23:03 2006
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Re: bug counts

I think the best thing you can do for the progress is to report all 
these bugs into bugzilla. I'am not the mono-developer, just the 
'bug-submitter' but all bugs, that I detailed described and submited 
with source-code was always fixed.
More detailed description and example source code the faster bug fix.

Pavel

Ken & Deb Allen wrote:
> Sorry, but while one can compile and execute code that uses WinForms 
> under Mac OS, it does not WORK, or at least not very well at all. For 
> example, I have a very simple application with a form that contains a 
> combobox, and if I can only change the contents of the combobox once -- 
> pressing the drop-down arrow subsequent times has no effect! Also, the 
> double-click handler for the ListBox does not file. There are also a 
> large number of other problems, that basically render WinForms unusable 
> as of 1.1.17 release.
> 
> -ken
> 
> On 2-Oct-06, at 4:10 PM, Lee Turner wrote:
> 
>> Install X11 stuff from Mac OS X CD, install mono from binary package 
>> on website and WinForms will work.
>>
>> However, I'll give you your point on Monodevelop, I looked at it and 
>> just though... "Hmm, I'll stick to my ubuntu box.."
>>
>> What I'd really like to see is a GUI driven forms designer for 
>> WinForms ala VS2K3 and VS2K5, doing WinForms by hand is a pita!
>> (well, it's nice to dream)
>>
>> -Lee
>>
>> On 02/10/06, *Ken & Deb Allen* <kendrhyd <at> sympatico.ca 
>> <mailto:kendrhyd <at> sympatico.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>     Ah, but the real question is when we shall see a proper Mac OS X
>>     installer for MonoDevelop, even in its current state. I have
>>     looked at some of the material, but the list of dependencies is
>>     incredibly complex and ever-changing, and I am not even certain if
>>     all of the information is even up to date.
>>
>>     This, along with the inability to use WinForms on Mac OS X, is a
>>     major hindrance to the adoption of Mono by Mac developers, at
>>     least in my opinion.
>>
>>     -ken
>>
>>     On 2-Oct-06, at 3:53 PM, Lee Turner wrote:
>>
>>>     Installing Ubuntu and then apt-get installing mono or using
>>>     synaptics to do it for you has yeilded a very usuable development
>>>     environment for me, mono-develop is still far from perfect but it
>>>     works.
>>>
>>>     Debian/Ubuntu does have the advantage of dealing with
>>>     dependancies for you (on the whole), the reason for Ubuntu is
>>>     because it's generally more 'bleeding-edge' than Debian installs
>>>     and will ship with a newer version of mono(develop)
>>>
>>>     anyway, that's my two cents
>>>
>>>     On 02/10/06, *David Cornelson (gmail)* <
>>>     david.cornelson <at> gmail.com <mailto:david.cornelson <at> gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         > Miguel de Icaza wrote:
>>>         > Well, Mono 1.1.next is always imminent.
>>>         > What we do need though, is good testing of Windows.Forms to
>>>         make sure
>>>         > that no major bugs slip through.
>>>
>>>         So once that final bug is resolved and there is a consensus
>>>         that WinForms
>>>         works as designed, what are the plans, if any, to simplify
>>>         the packaging and
>>>         deployment processes.
>>>
>>>         It's been awhile since I've tried to run Mono on Linux and I
>>>         don't think
>>>         I've ever seen MonoDevelop functioning properly. I don't
>>>         think I've ever
>>>         been able to cleanly install Mono in a Linux environment
>>>         without needing to
>>>         know how to resolve dependencies (which can spiral out of
>>>         control quickly).
>>>
>>>         I think the question I'm asking is this. Will Mono ever be
>>>         packaged so that
>>>         a non-Linux developer, say a VB 6 developer or
>>>         less-experienced C#
>>>         developer, might be able to throw RedHat, Fedora, Suse, or
>>>         Debian up on a
>>>         computer and quickly start creating usable and cross-platform
>>>         programs that
>>>         can be easily deployed?
>>>
>>>         This would be my goal. Get those VB programmers interested.
>>>         Get the guy that
>>>         writes software for mom and pop businesses interested.
>>>
>>>         David Cornelson
>>>
>>>
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