David Prieto | 3 Apr 14:28 2007
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Semantic awareness?

You see, I've been using Tomboy a lot lately. And wonderful as it is,
there is a big, big downside about it: links to existing notes are only
created when the entered text is exactly like the note's name, that is:
if one of my notes is called "school" any notes containing the word
"school" will link to it, but not notes containing the word "schools".

This detracts from the program's usefulness, so I would like to know: Is
there a way to make tomboy semantically aware, that is to make it treat
"house" and "houses" as the same word instead of two separate, unrelated
entities?
Niklas Höglund | 3 Apr 14:39 2007
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Re: Semantic awareness?

On 03/04/07, David Prieto <frandavid100@...> wrote:
> You see, I've been using Tomboy a lot lately. And wonderful as it is,
> there is a big, big downside about it: links to existing notes are only
> created when the entered text is exactly like the note's name, that is:
> if one of my notes is called "school" any notes containing the word
> "school" will link to it, but not notes containing the word "schools".
>
> This detracts from the program's usefulness, so I would like to know: Is
> there a way to make tomboy semantically aware, that is to make it treat
> "house" and "houses" as the same word instead of two separate, unrelated
> entities?

+1

I've had the same problem, but with the names of people. If I were to
write "Davids mail" in a note, it wouldn't link to a David note.

I would be happy if I could just fix up links by selecting some text
and selecting what note to link  it to.

I'd also like to be able to use tomboy for bookmarks, by dragging
URL:s to a note, but I think the text for a bookmark should start of
as the title of that page, not the URL.
Pete Goodall | 3 Apr 16:45 2007

Fwd: Semantic awareness?

Had the wrong CC originally....

See below.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Pete Goodall <pete@...>
Date: Apr 3, 2007 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [tomboy-list] Semantic awareness?
To: Niklas Höglund <nhoglund@...>
Cc: Tomboy list <tomboy-list@...>

On 4/3/07, Niklas Höglund <nhoglund@...> wrote:
> On 03/04/07, David Prieto <frandavid100@...> wrote:
> > You see, I've been using Tomboy a lot lately. And wonderful as it is,
> > there is a big, big downside about it: links to existing notes are only
> > created when the entered text is exactly like the note's name, that is:
> > if one of my notes is called "school" any notes containing the word
> > "school" will link to it, but not notes containing the word "schools".
> >
> > This detracts from the program's usefulness, so I would like to know: Is
> > there a way to make tomboy semantically aware, that is to make it treat
> > "house" and "houses" as the same word instead of two separate, unrelated
> > entities?
>
> +1
>
> I've had the same problem, but with the names of people. If I were to
> write "Davids mail" in a note, it wouldn't link to a David note.
>
> I would be happy if I could just fix up links by selecting some text
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Christian Reitwießner | 6 Apr 15:37 2007
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LaTeX math plugin again


Helo Tomboy-users!

If you experinced some instabilities in my plugin in the past time, you
will be happy to hear that those issues should be solved by now.
I've just released version 0.3 on my website.
http://www.reitwiessner.de/programs/tomboy-latex.html

Best regards,
Christian Reitwießner
Boyd Timothy | 9 Apr 18:01 2007
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ANNOUNCE: Tomboy 0.6.2 Released (Translation Updates)

Hey Everyone,

This email is to announce Tomboy 0.6.2!  This will be released as part of
GNOME 2.18.1.  It includes translation updates added since 0.6.1.

Tomboy is a simple note-taking application designed to be unobtrusive
and friendly, while supporting inter-note links similar to a
WikiWikiWeb to help you organize your notes and ideas.  It can run
either as a Gnome panel applet or a notification tray-icon.

Tomboy's Website: http://www.gnome.org/projects/tomboy

Tomboy's Wiki: http://live.gnome.org/Tomboy
 * Road Map: http://live.gnome.org/Tomboy/RoadMap
 * Brainstorming: http://live.gnome.org/Tomboy/PlaceForNewIdeas

Tomboy is available at:

http://download.gnome.org/sources/tomboy/0.6/tomboy-0.6.2.tar.gz
 md5sum: 171514d605816ede132e696a2fb0271d
 size: 1.8M

http://download.gnome.org/sources/tomboy/0.6/tomboy-0.6.2.tar.bz2
 md5sum: c2ff311ff9539734bbc4243646d6d39b
 size: 1.4M

This release includes the following:

Version 0.6.2
 * Updated translations for the following languages:
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Boyd Timothy | 9 Apr 23:21 2007
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ANNOUNCE: Tomboy 0.6.3 Released (Translation Updates/Tarball Fix)

Hey Everyone,

This email is to announce Tomboy 0.6.3!  This will be released as part of
GNOME 2.18.1.  It includes translation updates added since 0.6.1 and
fixes the tarball released as 0.6.2 (which was missing some source files).

Tomboy is a simple note-taking application designed to be unobtrusive
and friendly, while supporting inter-note links similar to a
WikiWikiWeb to help you organize your notes and ideas.  It can run
either as a Gnome panel applet or a notification tray-icon.

Tomboy's Website: http://www.gnome.org/projects/tomboy

Tomboy's Wiki: http://live.gnome.org/Tomboy
 * Road Map: http://live.gnome.org/Tomboy/RoadMap
 * Brainstorming: http://live.gnome.org/Tomboy/PlaceForNewIdeas

Tomboy is available at:

http://download.gnome.org/sources/tomboy/0.6/tomboy-0.6.3.tar.gz
 md5sum: 566af33c4956e05512a57ae7a63c849f
 size: 1.8M

http://download.gnome.org/sources/tomboy/0.6/tomboy-0.6.3.tar.bz2
 md5sum: ebf93b189c7db91037e351c1f7c33ba3
 size: 1.4M

This release includes the following:

Version 0.6.3
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Mario Manno | 11 Apr 20:05 2007
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Re: Fwd: Semantic awareness?

On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 10:45 -0400, Pete Goodall wrote: 
>  However, the ability to link text to a specific note, rather than
> only being able to create new notes or link to notes with the exact
> same title, would be very hand.
> 
> That being said, Tomboy is intended to be a *simple* note-taking
> program.  Are we making it too complicated?  That's more philosophical
> though. ;-)

Tomboy does implicit linking. Implicit linking is bad. It may look
easier at first, but as your note collection grows you accumulate too
many links. Your notes become a mess. It actually decreases the
usability of links.
Take a look at wikipedia, they use links very carefully. 

With tomboy I try to make note titles as long as possible to avoid
problems. I should have done this from the start, now i'm really afraid
to rename some notes: 
In the previous example, if the author someday goes to another school,
he may decide to rename the note 'school' to 'Old School'. Tomboy will
then happily replace the word 'school' in every notes body with the new
title.

I'd prefer explicit linking anytime. And I would prefer unique
identifiers with labels, as title, over links relying purely on the note
title.

cheers
Mario
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D. Moonfire | 11 Apr 20:33 2007

Re: Fwd: Semantic awareness?

Mario Manno wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 10:45 -0400, Pete Goodall wrote: 
>>  However, the ability to link text to a specific note, rather than
>> only being able to create new notes or link to notes with the exact
>> same title, would be very hand.
>>
>> That being said, Tomboy is intended to be a *simple* note-taking
>> program.  Are we making it too complicated?  That's more philosophical
>> though. ;-)
> 
> Tomboy does implicit linking. Implicit linking is bad. It may look
> easier at first, but as your note collection grows you accumulate too
> many links. Your notes become a mess. It actually decreases the
> usability of links.
> Take a look at wikipedia, they use links very carefully. 
> 
> With tomboy I try to make note titles as long as possible to avoid
> problems. I should have done this from the start, now i'm really afraid
> to rename some notes: 
> In the previous example, if the author someday goes to another school,
> he may decide to rename the note 'school' to 'Old School'. Tomboy will
> then happily replace the word 'school' in every notes body with the new
> title.
> 
> I'd prefer explicit linking anytime. And I would prefer unique
> identifiers with labels, as title, over links relying purely on the note
> title.

If Tomboy eventually has explicit linking, just make sure it can be entered via
typing, like MediaWiki's [[stuff]], instead of typing it in, selecting it,
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Sanford Armstrong | 11 Apr 21:14 2007
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Re: Fwd: Semantic awareness?

On 4/11/07, Mario Manno <mm-list@...> wrote:
> Tomboy does implicit linking. Implicit linking is bad. It may look
> easier at first, but as your note collection grows you accumulate too
> many links. Your notes become a mess. It actually decreases the
> usability of links.
> Take a look at wikipedia, they use links very carefully.
>
> With tomboy I try to make note titles as long as possible to avoid
> problems. I should have done this from the start, now i'm really afraid
> to rename some notes:
> In the previous example, if the author someday goes to another school,
> he may decide to rename the note 'school' to 'Old School'. Tomboy will
> then happily replace the word 'school' in every notes body with the new
> title.

What do you think of the proposed solution being worked on with bug
350990 [1]?  Do you think it is a sufficient solution to this problem?

Thanks,
Sandy

[1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350990
Chris Granade | 11 Apr 23:12 2007
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Re: Fwd: Semantic awareness?

I'd imagine that a good solution would be an option as to whether to
use implicit linking or explicit linking. Perhaps Tomboy could present
the option in a wizard at start-up? If explicit linking was chosen, I
would think that offering to make a link after the name of another
note was entered. For instance, if someone typed "Start Here", then
after the user presses the last 'e', Tomboy could subtley offer to
make it into a link.

On 4/11/07, Sanford Armstrong <sanfordarmstrong@...> wrote:
> On 4/11/07, Mario Manno <mm-list@...> wrote:
> > Tomboy does implicit linking. Implicit linking is bad. It may look
> > easier at first, but as your note collection grows you accumulate too
> > many links. Your notes become a mess. It actually decreases the
> > usability of links.
> > Take a look at wikipedia, they use links very carefully.
> >
> > With tomboy I try to make note titles as long as possible to avoid
> > problems. I should have done this from the start, now i'm really afraid
> > to rename some notes:
> > In the previous example, if the author someday goes to another school,
> > he may decide to rename the note 'school' to 'Old School'. Tomboy will
> > then happily replace the word 'school' in every notes body with the new
> > title.
>
> What do you think of the proposed solution being worked on with bug
> 350990 [1]?  Do you think it is a sufficient solution to this problem?
>
> Thanks,
> Sandy
>
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