Paweł Paprota | 1 May 2008 08:40
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Re: [Usability] File operations dialog redesign

Hello!

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:01:44 +0100
Matthew Paul Thomas <mpt <at> myrealbox.com> wrote:

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> I've published a proposed design on the Gnome wiki.
> <http://live.gnome.org/Nautilus/ProgressWindow> Comments welcome.
> 

Looks good! I've added small comment on the page.

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> > 3. Should pause functionality also be provided where suitable?
> 
> What are the use cases for pausing an operation?
> 

Pretty much what Kirk wrote in his message - arbitrary prioritizing of
operations. I've found this useful in the past in Total Commander.

> 
> Thanks for working on this, and thanks for asking for design help.
> 

And thanks to you for preparing the design :-)

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j kanem | 1 May 2008 16:19
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Re: move open folders to current Workspace upon activation?

Could someone tell me whether it's Nautilus or Metacity that is in control of this behaviour?
Thanks.

On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 18:13 -0400, j kanem wrote:
>Hi,
>Before Gnome 2.22 in spatial-Nautilus if I attempted to open a folder which was already open on a Workspace other than the >one I was on, the open folder was moved to the current Workspace. Now the open folder stays on the Workspace it was on and >the only indication I get that anything at all has happened is a throbbing button in the Window List which, if I click on it, moves >me to the Workspace which contains the open window. If a user doesn't have a Window List, there's no sign that their action >of double-clicking the folder has done anything.
>
>I'm getting this behaviour in the (up to date) development versions of Fedora 9 and Ubuntu 8.04.
>Is this the intended behaviour? Is there some option that I've missed (I have looked) which gets the old behaviour back?
>
>I like the old behaviour because
>a) I expect to see an open window as soon as I try to open one. Having to perform the default action and then also click >somewhere in the Window List is slow.
>b) I often don't want to utilize the folder on the Workspace in which it is already open, which is why I'm not already using it >there. With the current behaviour I have to go to the Workspace where the open window is, close the window, go back to the >Workspace in which I want to be and re-open the folder. A bit faster is going to the Workspace where the window is, and use >the window manager menu to move the window to another workspace, but this is still slow.
>
>Thanks for any info

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Matthew Paul Thomas | 1 May 2008 23:34
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Re: [Usability] File operations dialog redesign

On Apr 28, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Kirk Bridger wrote:
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>  The only use case I can think of (because I've experienced it) is 
> using pause to prioritize specific copying.  If we have multiple 
> things going over the wire, and suddenly I want one to be the only 
> thing going, to make it get there as fast as possible, I'd pause the 
> lower priority ones.

Interesting. For that purpose, how about a "Pause All Others" button 
instead of a "Pause" button? That way if you wanted one task to be the 
only one going, instead of having to click a button for each of the 
*other* tasks, you'd click only one button in the section for *that* 
task.

(If Nautilus included such a button, probably it would be in the 
expandable section, since it would be needed infrequently.)

> Now maybe that introduces the need for explicit prioritizing, but that 
> seems quite a complicated solution and concept.
> ...

One possibility (which might be silly) is to allow drag-and-drop 
rearrangement of tasks in the progress window. That might avoid having 
to add extra visible elements for reordering (though there would be the 
usual problem with drag-and-drop, of how to make the function 
keyboard-accessible).

It would be easy to let this drift into something complicated that 
looked like a download manager, which would be ugly and cramped in the 
usual case of presenting just one move or copy at a time.

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Kirk Bridger | 2 May 2008 15:56
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Re: File operations dialog redesign

I agree, I think d&d would be really cool, and elegant, etc, but entirely overkill.  I think the "Pause all others" idea actually suits the use case well, without treading into download manager territory.  The re-prioritizing via d&d also implies some kind of throttling, whereas in reality I think it is more likely to just be a pause of everything else. 

I agree it should not be visible by default - it is not the typical flow of things.  I might reword the command to something less indirect and more direct: "click here to affect everything else" might better be worded as "do this one first" for example.  When I click something, the associated "thing" should be the recipient of the action, not everything else.  That way when I choose something I don't have to do reverse math (like playing minefield almost).

Could we use some kind of metaphor like stat in a medical sense, or courier shipping options (next day versus 3-5 business days), or some other mental model to make it clear what this is doing?  Just throwing early-morning ideas out there.

Kirk




Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
On Apr 28, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Kirk Bridger wrote:
The only use case I can think of (because I've experienced it) is using pause to prioritize specific copying.  If we have multiple things going over the wire, and suddenly I want one to be the only thing going, to make it get there as fast as possible, I'd pause the lower priority ones.
Interesting. For that purpose, how about a "Pause All Others" button instead of a "Pause" button? That way if you wanted one task to be the only one going, instead of having to click a button for each of the *other* tasks, you'd click only one button in the section for *that* task. (If Nautilus included such a button, probably it would be in the expandable section, since it would be needed infrequently.)
Now maybe that introduces the need for explicit prioritizing, but that seems quite a complicated solution and concept. ...
One possibility (which might be silly) is to allow drag-and-drop rearrangement of tasks in the progress window. That might avoid having to add extra visible elements for reordering (though there would be the usual problem with drag-and-drop, of how to make the function keyboard-accessible). It would be easy to let this drift into something complicated that looked like a download manager, which would be ugly and cramped in the usual case of presenting just one move or copy at a time. Cheers
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A. Walton | 3 May 2008 13:41
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Patches needing review

In an attempt to push the backlog a bit, here's a quick list of
patches that need review. A lot of  them are tiny issues that we can
probably go ahead and commit, but I don't like to commit without
permission so here goes.

Bigger patches first:

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364843
Bug 364843 – Keep "reallylongfilename (copy).txt" from reaching the
maximum path length
Looks sane to me and it looks like SuSE is already shipping it I
believe. Would be good to go ahead and merge this.

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=530720
Bug 530720 – Don't allow recursive move/copy into itself
This is a pretty critical bug. The patch looks fine to me except for
some trivial formatting. Would be nice to have someone other than me
confirm that it works and is tested before we get this in.

Tiny issues:

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=530851
Bug 530851 – Crash on image properties
Fix is a one-liner and is sane. Should go in 2.22 and trunk. Commit and close?

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350962
Bug 350962 – Filing cabinet icon is not recognizable
Changes the icons to be a bit more recognizable (folders) and uses our
existing approach of NAUTILUS_ICON_FOLDER added by Cosimo. I'm not
sure if it's technically a UI break for 2.22, but it's probably sane
for it and trunk.

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528081
Bug 528081 – Warnings in EEL_ASSIGN_MUST_OVERRIDE_SIGNAL with GCC 4.3.0
This one should be applied both in Eel and in Nautilus; GCC 4.3.x
apparently has a bug where -Wno-strict-aliasing doesn't work. Changing
this to -fno-strict-aliasing gets us building again. I've updated the
upstream GCC bugzilla with details on how to get in touch and work on
finding the real issue.

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=409038
Bug 409038 – FSF address is old
Downright trivial. On top of that, we could get rid of the GTK+ 2.11.0
check just below it and update the Nautilus copyright year to 2008. I
can drum up a patch for this if necessary, but I'd just as soon fix
them all three in one commit.

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=514415
Bug 514415 – Columns list and its description should be Indented 12 pixels
Just a small change in the Glade file that makes this dialog more HIG
compliant (and it looks better!) Cosimo asked the author to forward
it, but it never got done, so here it is.

I think that's about it for now, though there are probably more that I
missed that can be brought up at a later date. The ultimate goal on
top of this would be to sit down and do some real 2.24 planning, if
anyone can find the time to do so. Thanks for everyone's
considerations (and reading this long email).

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Christian Neumair | 3 May 2008 15:30
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Re: Patches needing review

El sáb, 03-05-2008 a las 07:41 -0400, A. Walton escribió:
> In an attempt to push the backlog a bit, here's a quick list of
> patches that need review. A lot of  them are tiny issues that we can
> probably go ahead and commit, but I don't like to commit without
> permission so here goes.

Thanks, that really helps a lot! Unfortunately, I am very busy with
non-programming tasks, so I do not really have time to dig through the
bugzilla email flood.

I approved all of the patches, except:

> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350962
> Bug 350962 – Filing cabinet icon is not recognizable

[commented on bugzilla]

> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=409038
> Bug 409038 – FSF address is old
> Downright trivial. On top of that, we could get rid of the GTK+ 2.11.0
> check just below it and update the Nautilus copyright year to 2008. I
> can drum up a patch for this if necessary, but I'd just as soon fix
> them all three in one commit.

Yes, it would be great if you could compile and commit a patch, add a
link to the relevant viewvc revision log entry to the bug report and
close it.

> The ultimate goal on top of this would be to sit down and do some real
> 2.24 planning, if anyone can find the time to do so.

We have a compact view, and I implemented basic tab functionality in the
multiview branch. The tab support needs some GUI love, though - possibly
adding a preference whether middle-clicking a file should open it in a
new tab or a new window.

best regards,
 Christian Neumair

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Christoph Wolk | 4 May 2008 16:56
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Re: move open folders to current Workspace upon activation?

On Thu, 01 May 2008 10:19:26 -0400, j kanem wrote:

> Could someone tell me whether it's Nautilus or Metacity that is in
> control of this behaviour?
> Thanks.

I think this is the fix to bug 482354 (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/
show_bug.cgi?id=482354) that's applied in the new versions of Ubuntu and 
Fedora.

W

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Gaolong | 5 May 2008 05:36
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Gaolong <imgaolong <at> yahoo.cn>

updated_deep_count_in_progress can not get file size

Hi,all. I was trying to use updated_deep_count_in_progress signal to asynchronously get disk space used by a directory.  I refered to fm-properties-window.c. But there seems a bug in it. I found that if a big directory is being updated by updated_deep_count_in_progress  signal, any other request to nautilus_file_get_deep_counts function will return file size with 0.
 
One can confirm it by:1) Choose "Properties" menuitem after right clicked one big directory like /usr in nautilus 2) While the "Contents" label in the properties window was updating, do step 1) to another big direcotry like /var 3) You would see the "Contents" label of /var to be "...", not a valid value. That means the nautilus_file_get_deep_counts in updated_deep_count_in_progress signal handler was not working properly.(To be sure that you had not done 1) to /var before, otherwise nautilus_file_get_deep_counts would return a previous valid value, and the fm-properties-window.c is designed not to show updating value in that case)
 
What is eating me is that I want to know whether there is a way to avoid that, or that is really a bug now. Best regards!
 

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Jonas Haag | 5 May 2008 13:48
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File associations

Hi there,
I donnu if I'm right here but I hope so ;)
I've got some problems with GNOME mimetypes. Since my last distribution
upgrade (I upgraded Ubuntu Gutsy to Ubuntu Hardy [Beta, now using
stable]), almost all file associations are broken. For example, JPGs are
opened in Firefox, PDFs aren't opened anymore etc. The same problem
exists also with another distribution where I compiled GNOME myself.
I had hoped that it would be possible to reset the file-associations but
I found no way to do this. What I tried myself is:

 * deleting >/usr/share/mime/*< (on Ubuntu) and >~/.local/share/mime/*<
and then upgrading the mime database;
 * reconfiguring shared-mimetype-info with dpkg-reconfigure
 * removing gnome-mime-database with deleting all configuration files
and then reinstalling it

(After each step I restarted my machine)

None of these steps changed anything. I'm using Nautilus as file browser
(for that reason I chosed this mailing list) and for managing my desktop
icons.

So my question is: Is there a way to reset _all_ application - file
associations?

Thanks, regards,
    Dauerbaustelle
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Geoffrey Leach | 2 May 2008 19:38
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Suddenly. folders

This is Fedora 8, nautilus version 2.20.0 release 9.fc8

When I booted F8/Gnome today, my desktop was littered with icons for 
the folders and files from my home directory. My installation is pretty 
much vanilla with regard to the desktop; previously all that was 
displayed was device icons. I am not aware of having changed any 
preferences.

Could someone kindly enlighten me as to how I might disable the display 
of home directory folders?

Thanks.
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