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Wolfgang Pichler | 2 Jan 2003 12:52
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nautilus tree side bar

hi,

Wouldn't it be a good idea to have the nautilus tree panel be
"multi-rooted" - so that you can have something like:
>home-dir
>root
>smb
>preferences
.....
with an option to add more uris (cameras aso.) to it.
i've seen that it has been discussed already - but havn't found that
someone is already working on it. So I've triied to make it - you can
find a first screenshot at:
http://www.dialog-online.at/Screenshot-nautilus.png - it is compiled
against nautilus 2.0.8 and still very buggy.
So, have a look at it and let me know what you think

mfG
Wolfi

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Wolfgang Pichler | 3 Jan 2003 10:53
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Re: nautilus tree side bar

On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 09:12, Damien Covey wrote:
> What you are describing is exactly what a lot of people have been 
> requesting for a long while (I'm one of them).  I'd like to suggest the 
> following structure.
> 
>  >home-dir
wont work with the tree model which is at time in use (the hash table
lookup will fail - i think so) - i though already about a gnome-vfs
module which offers a home:// uri - wouldn't this be an idea ?
>  >external drives (ie floppy, flash, and the cool new burn:// uri)
everything which can be accessed with an uri can be added to it
>  >root-dir
>  >network (smb, nfs etc)
>  >printers (cups, lp, smb etc)
> 
> 
> I do not see the need for the preferences root though.  
The user can add to his sidebar whatever he wants - thats what i've
planned (also not working at time)
> Also the latest 
> Nautilus sidebar has changed somewhat, I'm not sure to what extent but 
> maybe any work you intend to doing might be better done against 2.1.x ?
As far as i have seen the tree sidebar code hasn't changed really heavy
- or i am wrong at this point. But it should be a problem to merge it
into 2.1.x - because it is a bonobo component.
>  
>  I'd very much like to be able to help with any testing of this as I 
> can, I'm not much of a coder so I'll help where I can.
> 
> -Damien
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Wolfgang Pichler | 3 Jan 2003 16:16
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media side panel

hi everyone,

i've got my media side panel working a little bit better. You can see
the component now at:
http://www.dialog-online.at/Screenshot-nautilus.png

It also has an add URI dialog to add what you like - the home uri was a
problem because of the hash table where the node-file relation is
stored. So i've added a vfolder which only points to ~ to gnome-vfs - so
that home:/// will give me my home dir (wouldn't this be a generally
good idea?). The Problem at time is that when i add all the uris in the
source code - then some of them wont work (and i really don't know why).
Now i am thinking about how to save the state (which uris are added) -
what is the prefered way for this (over gconf) ? What about adding it to
nautilus for 2.4 ?

have a nice day
wolfi (aka chainbreaker)

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Johnathan Bailes | 3 Jan 2003 15:51

Re: media side panel

On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 10:16, Wolfgang Pichler wrote:
> hi everyone,
> 
> i've got my media side panel working a little bit better. You can see
> the component now at:
> http://www.dialog-online.at/Screenshot-nautilus.png
> 
> It also has an add URI dialog to add what you like - the home uri was a
> problem because of the hash table where the node-file relation is
> stored. So i've added a vfolder which only points to ~ to gnome-vfs - so
> that home:/// will give me my home dir (wouldn't this be a generally
> good idea?). The Problem at time is that when i add all the uris in the
> source code - then some of them wont work (and i really don't know why).
> Now i am thinking about how to save the state (which uris are added) -
> what is the prefered way for this (over gconf) ? What about adding it to
> nautilus for 2.4 ?
> 
> have a nice day
> wolfi (aka chainbreaker)

This looks great but it probably needs to also include a hook for the
new proposed lan:// or at the very least the smb: uris.  Just having the
tree view incorporate preferences and media is great but having a way in
the sidebar to get to the network browsing would be a great inclusion.

I know you mentioned this in your original post but I did not see it any
of your screenshots.  I have also seen some screenshots of a network
neighborhood view where you can add servers and such.  How far away is
that?
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Wolfgang Pichler | 3 Jan 2003 16:50
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Re: media side panel

as i sayed already before - every uri can be added. And in the
screenshot the network browsing is already included (there is a domain
DIALOG,WORKGROUP,POWERFLASH,aso). I have overwritten the old screenshot
- so it can be that you have seen the old one.

> This looks great but it probably needs to also include a hook for the
> new proposed lan:// or at the very least the smb: uris.  Just having the
> tree view incorporate preferences and media is great but having a way in
> the sidebar to get to the network browsing would be a great inclusion.
> 
> I know you mentioned this in your original post but I did not see it any
> of your screenshots.  I have also seen some screenshots of a network
> neighborhood view where you can add servers and such.  How far away is
> that?
> 
> Does anyone know?
> 
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Eugene O'Connor | 3 Jan 2003 18:42
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short_list_application_ids_for_novice_user_level key

For the System Admin Guide, I'm trying to document the
short_list_application_ids_for_novice_user_level key in .keys files. As
far as I can tell, this key specifies the application to use when a file
of this MIME type is opened
by a user. You specify one or more applications, in order of priority.
The applications must also be registered in the application registry.

Is this correct? Is there an order of priority?
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Damien Covey | 3 Jan 2003 09:12
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Re: nautilus tree side bar

What you are describing is exactly what a lot of people have been 
requesting for a long while (I'm one of them).  I'd like to suggest the 
following structure.

 >home-dir
 >external drives (ie floppy, flash, and the cool new burn:// uri)
 >root-dir
 >network (smb, nfs etc)
 >printers (cups, lp, smb etc)

I do not see the need for the preferences root though.  Also the latest 
Nautilus sidebar has changed somewhat, I'm not sure to what extent but 
maybe any work you intend to doing might be better done against 2.1.x ? 
 I'd very much like to be able to help with any testing of this as I 
can, I'm not much of a coder so I'll help where I can.

-Damien

>hi,
>
>Wouldn't it be a good idea to have the nautilus tree panel be
>"multi-rooted" - so that you can have something like:
>>home-dir
>>root
>>smb
>>preferences
>.....
>with an option to add more uris (cameras aso.) to it.
>i've seen that it has been discussed already - but havn't found that
>someone is already working on it. So I've triied to make it - you can
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Roberto Rosselli Del Turco | 3 Jan 2003 20:05
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Re: media side panel

Wolfgang Pichler wrote:
 > hi everyone,
 >
 > i've got my media side panel working a little bit better. You can see
 > the component now at:
 > http://www.dialog-online.at/Screenshot-nautilus.png
 >
 > It also has an add URI dialog to add what you like - the home uri was a
 > problem because of the hash table where the node-file relation is
 > stored. So i've added a vfolder which only points to ~ to gnome-vfs - so
 > that home:/// will give me my home dir (wouldn't this be a generally
 > good idea?). The Problem at time is that when i add all the uris in the
 > source code - then some of them wont work (and i really don't know why).
 > Now i am thinking about how to save the state (which uris are added) -
 > what is the prefered way for this (over gconf) ? What about adding it to
 > nautilus for 2.4 ?

I think that the idea of an user expandable/customizable, "desktop",
"media" and "network" oriented side panel is great. At the moment,
though, it looks confusing to me, for instance:

- there are many "/" dirs, none of which resembles the usual filesystem
layout: the "/" symbol should be avoided;
- mixing simple ("real") dirs and icon shaped shortcuts is confusing too
IMHO.

Another consideration: we already have two important GNOME applications
with a rich side panel, namely Evolution and Rhythmbox (well, this one
will be cool really soon :), and possibly a key component of our beloved
environment, the file requester, will get something similar (I might be
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MArk Finlay | 4 Jan 2003 10:32
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Re: media side panel


> I know you mentioned this in your original post but I did not see it any
> of your screenshots.  I have also seen some screenshots of a network
> neighborhood view where you can add servers and such.  How far away is
> that?

Hadess' network:// was probably what you saw and will be included in 2.2

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Julien Olivier | 4 Jan 2003 11:46

Re: nautilus tree side bar

What about a desktop:// vfolder in the sidebar tree AND in the file
dialog ? I think it's a must as ~/.gnome-desktop is not really
intuitive...

Le ven 03/01/2003 à 10:53, Wolfgang Pichler a écrit :
> On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 09:12, Damien Covey wrote:
> > What you are describing is exactly what a lot of people have been 
> > requesting for a long while (I'm one of them).  I'd like to suggest the 
> > following structure.
> > 
> >  >home-dir
> wont work with the tree model which is at time in use (the hash table
> lookup will fail - i think so) - i though already about a gnome-vfs
> module which offers a home:// uri - wouldn't this be an idea ?
> >  >external drives (ie floppy, flash, and the cool new burn:// uri)
> everything which can be accessed with an uri can be added to it
> >  >root-dir
> >  >network (smb, nfs etc)
> >  >printers (cups, lp, smb etc)
> > 
> > 
> > I do not see the need for the preferences root though.  
> The user can add to his sidebar whatever he wants - thats what i've
> planned (also not working at time)
> > Also the latest 
> > Nautilus sidebar has changed somewhat, I'm not sure to what extent but 
> > maybe any work you intend to doing might be better done against 2.1.x ?
> As far as i have seen the tree sidebar code hasn't changed really heavy
> - or i am wrong at this point. But it should be a problem to merge it
> into 2.1.x - because it is a bonobo component.
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