Desmond Armstrong | 1 Jul 18:11 2011
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Re: gnome-list Digest, Vol 87, Issue 1

Hi David,
I have the same run-time error using either graphics.
I shall try another graphics card.
Kind Regards,
Desmond.
Desmond Armstrong | 2 Jul 17:18 2011
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Re: gnome-list Digest, Vol 87, Issue 2

Dear Gnome list,
I am not sure how I managed that but my message was not intended for 
Gnome List.
Kind Regards,
Desmond.
iki sham | 12 Jul 01:27 2011
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Gnome run dialog command?

Hi, which is the command to open the run-dialog (alt+f2) (GNOME 3)?

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Whelan Ryan | 12 Jul 18:55 2011

Binding 'cycle_panels' to Pause key

We are replacing aging suse 10 desktops with suse 11.  While migrating the configuration the Pause key, which was bound to 'cycle_panels', quit working.  We can rebind it to Alt+Pause or Ctrl+Pause and it works fine however, all of our users are trained to use just the Pause key.

When setting 'cycle_panels' to Pause, gnome errors with:

Window manager warning: Cannot bind "cycle_panels" to Pause: it needs a modifier such as Ctrl or Alt.
Window manager warning: Reverting "cycle_panels" to disabled.

Is there a way to work around this? I'm not sure if the old desktops had to have something custom done to them to make Pause work without a key modifier as that was done long before I started. 

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Iki Sham | 12 Jul 22:09 2011
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Re: Gnome run dialog command?

No, I mean the terminal command (so I could use it in another desktop
environment).

Thanks.

On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 09:17 +0800, Frederic Muller wrote:
> alt+f2
> 
> On 07/12/2011 07:27 AM, iki sham wrote:
> > Hi, which is the command to open the run-dialog (alt+f2) (GNOME 3)?
> >
> >
alexander.wilms | 16 Jul 15:57 2011

Introduction

Hi,

I'm not sure how introductions are handled on this mailing list, so please mention if I forgot anything.     
My name is Alex and I am a German highschool student, so far I have participated in some open source projects by submitting bug reports, feature requests and doing some translations.
I really like the way Gnome Shell is going, however there are some design decisions which seem to be rather counterproductive. Apparently there are quite a lot of people who dislike the current way to suspend / shutdown or the lack of an options to easily choose a different window decoration or icon theme (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643457).      
Instead of making decisions without looking after the actual demands of the userbase the Gnome team should - at least in my opinion - be _open_ with the ultimate goal of providing solutions which are 'made of easy'. What do you think of my idea to let users vote for or against controversial features?

Greetings

Alex
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Olav Vitters | 16 Jul 20:23 2011
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Re: Introduction

On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 03:57:50PM +0200, alexander.wilms wrote:
> Instead of making decisions without looking after the actual demands
> of the userbase the Gnome team should - at least in my opinion - be

Development is done by people who are interested in making something
which works for the biggest group of people.

> _open_ with the ultimate goal of providing solutions which are 'made
> of easy'. What do you think of my idea to let users vote for or
> against controversial features?

If something is suboptimal, it should be fixed after analysing how to
best solve the issue.

Voting is a suboptimal solution though.

For one, everyones ideal solution differs. For example: Based on user
feedback, settings in gnome-terminal have been changed back and forth
over the release of several GNOME versions.

Secondly, voting only gives influence to the ones who know about the
vote. Instead it should reflect the intended users accurately.

Lastly, sometimes what seems right might not be the best solution. That
is why there a designers, etc.

Suggest just getting involved with the design team and talk to them.
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Olav Vitters | 17 Jul 14:33 2011
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Re: Introduction

[ re-adding gnome-list <at> gnome.org ]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 09:45:58AM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote:
> On 16/07/11 19:23, Olav Vitters wrote:
> >On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 03:57:50PM +0200, alexander.wilms wrote:
> >>Instead of making decisions without looking after the actual demands
> >>of the userbase the Gnome team should - at least in my opinion - be
> >Development is done by people who are interested in making something
> >which works for the biggest group of people.
> Oh no they are not making something that works for the biggest
> group, they are making something that works for themselves. If they
> are doing as you say, why are there many different webpages etc
> telling people howto alter the base setup?

Because Linux has a lot of people while like to tinker around. That is
was made possible by the developers. Just not every setting is shown in
the control center and so on.

You'll find the same amount of information for any other interface, be
it OS X, Windows or some phone thing. Nicest example maybe those
jailbreak websites. They are also *very* popular, while people could've
bought another phone and thus OS.

> >>_open_ with the ultimate goal of providing solutions which are 'made
> >>of easy'. What do you think of my idea to let users vote for or
> >>against controversial features?
> >
> >If something is suboptimal, it should be fixed after analysing how to
> >best solve the issue.
> >
> >Voting is a suboptimal solution though.
> So democracy is suboptimal?

That is a different conversation.

My major problem with voting is what I already explained:
| Secondly, voting only gives influence to the ones who know about the
| vote. Instead it should reflect the intended users accurately.

> >For one, everyones ideal solution differs. For example: Based on user
> >feedback, settings in gnome-terminal have been changed back and forth
> >over the release of several GNOME versions.
> >
> >Secondly, voting only gives influence to the ones who know about the
> >vote. Instead it should reflect the intended users accurately.
> >
> >Lastly, sometimes what seems right might not be the best solution. That
> >is why there a designers, etc.
> A good designer creates something that the masses want, not tells
> them what they are getting. I personally think that Gnome 3 has the
> later.

I don't see it that way.

> >Suggest just getting involved with the design team and talk to them.

Still recommend following my advice.
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Calum Benson | 19 Jul 19:10 2011
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Re: Gnome run dialog command?


On 12 Jul 2011, at 21:09, iki sham wrote:

> No, I mean the terminal command (so I could use it in another desktop
> environment).

There is no terminal command AFAIK. The dialog is part of gnome-panel IIRC, so even if you could pass an
argument to gnome-panel to make it appear, the other desktop environment would have to be running gnome-panel.

Regards,
Calum.

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Ritesh Khadgaray | 22 Jul 06:45 2011
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Re: Gnome run dialog command?

Hi

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Calum Benson <calum.benson <at> oracle.com> wrote:
>
> On 12 Jul 2011, at 21:09, iki sham wrote:
>
>> No, I mean the terminal command (so I could use it in another desktop
>> environment).
>
> There is no terminal command AFAIK. The dialog is part of gnome-panel IIRC, so even if you could pass an
argument to gnome-panel to make it appear, the other desktop environment would have to be running gnome-panel.

On GNOME3, this is a part of gnome-shell. Most desktop environment
have/support run dialog functionality.

>
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> Calum.
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