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P. George | 1 Oct 2004 03:45

Re: intermittently losing keyboard usability

> i'm running suse 9.0.  my boss installed it with only kde.  he later 
> allowed me to install gnome.  i used the yast "search" feature to 
> search for "gnome".  i checked every package that showed up in the 
> search results (meaning all packages with "gnome" in the name or in 
> the description) and installed them all.
>
> after adding "gnome" to the list shown in the login window, i am now 
> able to use it.  everything looks fantastic (haven't seen it in a few 
> versions) and works fantastic, BUT my keyboard cuts out on my 
> intermittently.  i can sort of reproduce it by typing in (for example) 
> GEdit, then opening ANY other process and typing in there.  when i 
> switch back to my GEdit window, i can't type.   Well...... sort of...  
> I can backspace over stuff that i've already typed, but nothing 
> else... as in no other printed characters show up on the screen.  In 
> GEdit, I'm just screwed.  However, I found a descent workaround for 
> other apps that allow me to launch multiple instances of themselves, 
> like gnome-terminal.  If i launch one instance of it and type, the 
> keyboard works properly.  Then, if i switch to another process (NOT 
> another instance of gnome-terminal), i'm fine there too.  When I 
> switch back to gnome-terminal, usually I cannot type anymore.  BUT, if 
> i then launch a second instance of gnome-terminal and type in there a 
> little bit, then switch DIRECTLY back to the first instance of 
> gnome-terminal, i can type again.  ....that is, until i try typing in 
> some other process' window again.  then i have to rinse & repeat.
>
> i've done a little googling, but i'm not finding this precise symptom 
> mentioned anywhere.
>
> has anyone seen this... or more importantly, know what i can do to fix 
> it?  ;-)
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Bahram Alinezhad | 1 Oct 2004 11:14
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Re: [SLE] Has The performance been forgotten?

Thank you for your notice,
I want to add some comments:

1- My Linux setup and boot are on default settings (In
fact, I am not so foolish to add unused services to
the boot progress!)

2- In Windows OSs, I've installed a few programs and
updates, but I accept that its boot time becomes slow
and slower when you install more programs, though, the
worsts are those who add startup items.

3- In both Linuces, I've installed nVIDIA binary
driver (61.06) that works well, better than Windows
drivers; But this driver only affects 3d games, no
considerable difference in other programs.

4- When I speak about the applications, I mean the
time for invoke them, not the time for doing special
tasks inside.

5- I became tired in trying install Gnome 2.6 on both
SuSE 9.1 and RedHat 9.0; Generally, installed RPM
packages prevent the detection of newer versions
installed from source code; In addition, removing the
old rpm ruins the system... Gnome 2.8?! I see only 2.6
in the site!

6- My intention is not hiding the great advantages of
linux systems, such as: no need for restart, being
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Bahram Alinezhad | 1 Oct 2004 11:15
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Re: [SLE] Has The performance been forgotten?

"alberto-g" <alberto-g <at> inventati.org>:

There is definitely something wrong with KDE in Suse.
Even the smallest apps open in 5 seconds. If I try the
same in Knoppix (kernel 2.6, KDE 3.2) it takes 1
second, on the same hardware. Other non-KDE apps start
in no time.
I experienced the same behaviour on different PCs.
If you search a little you will find many people
complaining about this.
Everybody at this point suggests to use a lighter WM.
But the problem is not KDE, it is something with Suse!

		
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Sid Boyce | 1 Oct 2004 13:08
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Re: [SLE] Has The performance been forgotten?

Bahram Alinezhad wrote:
> Thank you for your notice,
> I want to add some comments:
> 
> 1- My Linux setup and boot are on default settings (In
> fact, I am not so foolish to add unused services to
> the boot progress!)
> 
> 2- In Windows OSs, I've installed a few programs and
> updates, but I accept that its boot time becomes slow
> and slower when you install more programs, though, the
> worsts are those who add startup items.
> 
> 3- In both Linuces, I've installed nVIDIA binary
> driver (61.06) that works well, better than Windows
> drivers; But this driver only affects 3d games, no
> considerable difference in other programs.
> 
> 4- When I speak about the applications, I mean the
> time for invoke them, not the time for doing special
> tasks inside.
> 
> 5- I became tired in trying install Gnome 2.6 on both
> SuSE 9.1 and RedHat 9.0; Generally, installed RPM
> packages prevent the detection of newer versions
> installed from source code; In addition, removing the
> old rpm ruins the system... Gnome 2.8?! I see only 2.6
> in the site!
> 
SuSE has traditionally not paid attention to Gnome, so I expect when 9.2
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Sean Middleditch | 1 Oct 2004 15:50

Re: [SLE] Has The performance been forgotten?

On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 02:14 -0700, Bahram Alinezhad wrote:
> Thank you for your notice,
> I want to add some comments:
> 
> 1- My Linux setup and boot are on default settings (In
> fact, I am not so foolish to add unused services to
> the boot progress!)

Unused services will affect initial bootup time, but shouldn't have a
lot of effect at runtime, especially if unused - they'll sit there and
do nothing.

If boot time matters, though, disable them.  If security matters,
disable them.  ;-)

> 3- In both Linuces, I've installed nVIDIA binary
> driver (61.06) that works well, better than Windows
> drivers; But this driver only affects 3d games, no
> considerable difference in other programs.

You might try enabling the (experimental) Render acceleration, which can
potentially increase speed a lot, especially for text rendering.

> 
> 4- When I speak about the applications, I mean the
> time for invoke them, not the time for doing special
> tasks inside.
> 
> 5- I became tired in trying install Gnome 2.6 on both
> SuSE 9.1 and RedHat 9.0; Generally, installed RPM
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Barry Branham | 1 Oct 2004 18:48

keyboard keymap modification

I recently upgraded from RH9 to FC2 and the keyboard mapping seems to 
have changed.  Specifically the Alt_L key no longer functions as the 
Meta key in my favorite editor (Code Crusader).  If I execute xmodmap -e 
"keysym Alt_L = Meta_L", the problem is  fixed.  I'd like to have this 
mod done at login.  After reading the GDM configuration documentation, I 
followed /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/GNOME to /etc/X11/xdm/Xsessions which 
indicated it would execute 'xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap' if nothing caused 
XKB_IN_USE to be set.  But adding ~/.Xmodmap gave a warning on login: 
'You have a keyboard remapping file ... whose contents will now be 
ignored.'  The menu preferences->keyboard does not offer the mod I 
need.  I see that xmodmap use is deprecated in favor of the XKB 
extension but I haven't been able to find documentation about out how to 
use setxkbmap to make this change.  I know I could just put an xmodmap 
command in .bashrc or something but I'd like to know if there is a 
recommended way to get this done on login.

Thanks for any help,
Barry
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Sebastian Tennant | 1 Oct 2004 19:29

Galeon AND Epiphany both crash on 'save to disk' !!!

As the same thing is happening in both browsers, it can't be a browser
thing can it?

No idea where to begin on this one?

Any suggestions much appreciated.

sebyte

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Xavier Ordoquy | 1 Oct 2004 20:50
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Re: Galeon AND Epiphany both crash on 'save to disk' !!!

On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 18:29 +0100, Sebastian Tennant wrote:
> As the same thing is happening in both browsers, it can't be a browser
> thing can it?
> 
> No idea where to begin on this one?
> 
> Any suggestions much appreciated.

That may have to do with upgrading gnome-vfs. To me, it often happens 
when I got some applications using the filechooser and compiled against
the gnome 2.8 when gnome 2.6 is running.
You should probably contact your distribution.

Regards.

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bruce | 1 Oct 2004 21:40
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Re: Galeon AND Epiphany both crash on 'save to disk' !!!

> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 18:29 +0100, Sebastian Tennant wrote:
>> As the same thing is happening in both browsers, it can't be a browser
>> thing can it?

  Hmmm, I don't know about Epiphany but Galeon uses Gecko, Mozilla's
engine.  One thing I've learned while trying unsuccessfully to compile
the latest Galeon is that Mozilla team had done some changes to their
API of which I wasn't aware, so gcc was there to tell me about it. 
Funnily enough those differences firstly manifested themselves in the
routines for saving pages, namely in a function which gets called when a
file type isn't specified and therefore must be determined from the page
content.

  What I'm saying is that you might want to check whether Epiphany is
using Mozilla as well, and if so, then downloading and installing new
Mozilla *might* solve the problem.  Perhaps they were both compiled and
linked against Mozilla's libraries which are missing in your system?

  HTH,
Zoran
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Sebastian Tennant | 1 Oct 2004 23:06

Re: Galeon AND Epiphany both crash on 'save to disk' !!!

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:40:12 +0200, bruce wrote:

>> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 18:29 +0100, Sebastian Tennant wrote:
>>> As the same thing is happening in both browsers, it can't be a browser
>>> thing can it?
> 
>   Hmmm, I don't know about Epiphany but Galeon uses Gecko, Mozilla's
> engine.  One thing I've learned while trying unsuccessfully to compile the
> latest Galeon is that Mozilla team had done some changes to their API of
> which I wasn't aware, so gcc was there to tell me about it. Funnily enough
> those differences firstly manifested themselves in the routines for saving
> pages, namely in a function which gets called when a file type isn't
> specified and therefore must be determined from the page content.
> 
>   What I'm saying is that you might want to check whether Epiphany is
> using Mozilla as well, and if so, then downloading and installing new
> Mozilla *might* solve the problem.  Perhaps they were both compiled and
> linked against Mozilla's libraries which are missing in your system?
> 
>   HTH,
> Zoran

I'm no expert but I thought Gecko was a rendering engine.  No doubt I am
completely wrong.  Epiphany is definitely based on Mozilla so perhaps
we're onto something...  The funny thing is that Mozilla is the only browser
of the three that _doesn't_ crash on 'save to file'!  

I'm too tired and try and grok it right now but as soon as I get anywhere
I'll post a follow-up here.
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