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Malcolm Tredinnick | 1 Jun 2003 03:50
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RE: building gnome-hello for book

On Sun, 2003-06-01 at 01:37, Murray.Cumming <at> Comneon.com wrote:
> > From: kevdig <at> rcn.com [mailto:kevdig <at> rcn.com] 
> > What I was really looking for was a simple example of an
> > official build tree (i.e. autotools template) to use as a
> > template. Anyone have a suggestion?
> 
> gnome-hello should be that.

Really?? Then we need to fix it. It stopped becoming a sample build
template when autogen.sh was rewritten (see similar thread on
gnome-devel-list currently). It looks nothing like the "standard" build
now. To make it a template, you would want to add:

- standard autogen.sh (copy the one from gnome-common -- see bug #84442
for the work required there; I am assuming you don't want to depend on
gnome-common for a simple user-private package).

- API and user documentation building.

- If you are going to use configure.ac (indicating you are targeting
autoconf 2.50 and later), then upgrade the configure script to remove
the deprecated stuff.

I suspect that it is probably better to leave gnome-hello as is, with a
simple build structure and then we fix gnome-skel to be a good template.

Malcolm
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Ole Laursen | 1 Jun 2003 18:58
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Re: GNOME Presentation program

Havoc Pennington <hp <at> redhat.com> writes:

> On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 08:07:50AM +0200, Julien Olivier wrote:
> > 
> > I googled a little to find a "work in progress" presentation program. I
> > only found Achtung and Agnubis but both seem dead. Is there any hidden
> > project to make a GTK/GNOME presentation program (except by porting
> > Impress to GTK) ?
> > 
> 
> I don't think so - I've been hoping someone would at least get
> something simple working, so I could use it...

IIRC, Sven Herzberg said on the debian-gtk-gnome list on debian.org
that he was looking at starting one up again. But no dice yet, it
seems. I stick to Emacs + LaTeX + a slides package.

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Murray.Cumming | 2 Jun 2003 09:26

RE: building gnome-hello for book

> From: Malcolm Tredinnick [mailto:malcolm <at> commsecure.com.au] 
> On Sun, 2003-06-01 at 01:37, Murray.Cumming <at> Comneon.com wrote:
> > > From: kevdig <at> rcn.com [mailto:kevdig <at> rcn.com] 
> > > What I was really looking for was a simple example of an
> > > official build tree (i.e. autotools template) to use as a
> > > template. Anyone have a suggestion?
> > 
> > gnome-hello should be that.
> 
> Really?? Then we need to fix it. It stopped becoming a sample build
> template when autogen.sh was rewritten (see similar thread on
> gnome-devel-list currently). It looks nothing like the 
> "standard" build
> now. To make it a template, you would want to add:
> 
> - standard autogen.sh (copy the one from gnome-common -- see 
> bug #84442
> for the work required there; I am assuming you don't want to depend on
> gnome-common for a simple user-private package).

I rewrote it recently (what's in cvs), specifically to remove the dependency
on autogen.sh and to make sure that it worked with recent autotools (recent
at the time).

I suspect that the autogen.sh in gnome-common is excessively complicated.
Nobody should need a complex autogen.sh.

It's generally agreed that gnome-common should go away, and part of the
reason for my rewriting the autogen.sh in gnome-hello was to show how to do
it without gnome-common.
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Santanu Chatterjee | 2 Jun 2003 21:57
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About my problems with Metacity

Hi,

I have been a GNOME fan for long. But since Metacity became the default WM
for GNOME 2.x, I am finding some things difficult to
do. Other than these, I love Metacity. It doesn't interfere with GNOME.

Following two things are really causing a lot of difficulty to me. It will be
very helpful if someone can please help me solve them:

(1.) I like to use a 800x600 screen on my 14'' monitor (some eye problems).
But with this resolution, some windows show up quite large, and when they are
not resizeable, and have their 'Apply' button off the screen, it becomes
impossible to click on them, since I am no longer able to move the window 
above the screen (though I can move them below)

(2.) Is there any chance that the wire frame window move/resize feature be
available under Metacity? When a number of windows are opened in my desktop,
the opaque window movement really looks VERY odd with a trail being left
behind (due to slow background redrawing)

Regards,
Santanu
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Malcolm Tredinnick | 3 Jun 2003 02:07
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RE: building gnome-hello for book

On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 17:26, Murray.Cumming <at> Comneon.com wrote:
> > From: Malcolm Tredinnick [mailto:malcolm <at> commsecure.com.au] 
> > On Sun, 2003-06-01 at 01:37, Murray.Cumming <at> Comneon.com wrote:
> > > > From: kevdig <at> rcn.com [mailto:kevdig <at> rcn.com] 
> > > > What I was really looking for was a simple example of an
> > > > official build tree (i.e. autotools template) to use as a
> > > > template. Anyone have a suggestion?
> > > 
> > > gnome-hello should be that.
> > 
> > Really?? Then we need to fix it. It stopped becoming a sample build
> > template when autogen.sh was rewritten (see similar thread on
> > gnome-devel-list currently). It looks nothing like the 
> > "standard" build
> > now. To make it a template, you would want to add:
> > 
> > - standard autogen.sh (copy the one from gnome-common -- see 
> > bug #84442
> > for the work required there; I am assuming you don't want to depend on
> > gnome-common for a simple user-private package).
> 
> I rewrote it recently (what's in cvs), specifically to remove the dependency
> on autogen.sh and to make sure that it worked with recent autotools (recent
> at the time).

Copying the common one is probably better than rewriting. That way you
leverage a lot of earlier work (but your subsequent comment explains why
you did this -- I have not overlooked that :-) ).

> I suspect that the autogen.sh in gnome-common is excessively complicated.
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Malcolm Tredinnick | 3 Jun 2003 02:26
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Re: About my problems with Metacity

On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 05:57, Santanu Chatterjee wrote:
> I have been a GNOME fan for long. But since Metacity became the default WM
> for GNOME 2.x, I am finding some things difficult to
> do. Other than these, I love Metacity. It doesn't interfere with GNOME.
> 
> Following two things are really causing a lot of difficulty to me. It will be
> very helpful if someone can please help me solve them:
> 
> (1.) I like to use a 800x600 screen on my 14'' monitor (some eye problems).
> But with this resolution, some windows show up quite large, and when they are
> not resizeable, and have their 'Apply' button off the screen, it becomes
> impossible to click on them, since I am no longer able to move the window 
> above the screen (though I can move them below)

This sounds like a bug in the particular applications that are creating
these windows. You should probably file bugs against those applications
individually for creating windows larger than your desktop size.

> (2.) Is there any chance that the wire frame window move/resize feature be
> available under Metacity? When a number of windows are opened in my desktop,
> the opaque window movement really looks VERY odd with a trail being left
> behind (due to slow background redrawing)

This has been discussed previously and was vetoed by the maintainer,
last I recall. There is a bug report about it somewhere, because it
affects some of Sun's systems. I have not looked in on that bug in a
while (querying in bugzilla for a bit should turn it up).

Cheers,
Malcolm
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Michael Vanderford | 3 Jun 2003 07:43

Re: gconf problems

1. check hard drive space. Corruption could be a problem.
2. If you upgraded recently then you probably need to compile the rest
of the gnome core components...gail was the problem for me.

PS. Still haven't figured out the gconf schema's / themes problem.

Ximian 2 is almost done. It may pay off to wait and install it.

On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 09:25, Rick Ziegler wrote:
> Hi all-
>     I have a RedHat 9 machine that is exhibiting very strange behavior.
> 
> 1)   in gconf-editor, no keys show up under 
> /schema/desktop/gnome/interface.  However, the file 
> /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_interface.schema is present, and the 
> rpm to which it belongs verifies.  When a new user logs in, the keys 
> that are supposed to be found there are not created properly - they are 
> blank, and in gconf-editor you can even set the type of value for the 
> keys... 
> 
> 2)    Another consequence of this is when I choose "preferences->Themes" 
> from the gnome menu, I receive an error dialog: "The default theme 
> schemas could not be found on. This means that you probably don't have 
> metacity installed, or that your gconf is configured incorrectly."
> 
> 3)   I've been living with this for awhile, as there hadn't been too 
> many negative consequences.  However most recently when I logged in I 
> received dozens of error dialog boxes.  The font of the text in the 
> boxes was too small to be read, the splash screen did not appear.  The 
> desktop background was black, instead of my usual wallpaper.  Only the
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David McWilliams | 3 Jun 2003 17:29
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Desktop Background

Hi guys,

I'm using Red Hat 9 (Shrike). On earlier versions of Red Hat, I used to
use a home made sh script that would go a retrieve an image from a
webcam, and display it on the root window using Imagemagick's 'display'
utility.  I switched off the Gnome background from within Nautilus,
under 'Edit... Preferences... Desktop & Trash... Use Nautilus to draw
the desktop & Use your home folder to draw the desktop'.

Now I am using RH9, with Gnome 2.2, of course, these mneu picks have
now gone. Anyone any idea how I can get my root window back.

Thanks in advance,

David

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Jan | 3 Jun 2003 17:47

Re: Desktop Background

David McWilliams wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I'm using Red Hat 9 (Shrike). On earlier versions of Red Hat, I used to
> use a home made sh script that would go a retrieve an image from a
> webcam, and display it on the root window using Imagemagick's 'display'
> utility.  I switched off the Gnome background from within Nautilus,
> under 'Edit... Preferences... Desktop & Trash... Use Nautilus to draw
> the desktop & Use your home folder to draw the desktop'.
> 
> Now I am using RH9, with Gnome 2.2, of course, these mneu picks have
> now gone. Anyone any idea how I can get my root window back.
> 
A lot of things seem to have gone in Gnome 2 - I hope they still are 
there, only turned off. Eg. I miss the window position that is normally 
displayed in the middle of the screen. I also miss the neat feature I 
had in Gnome 1, where the window would stop (briefly) when it hit the 
edge. Why do all these useful features go missing? Sometimes it feels 
too much like somebody is selling out to the MSWindows crowd.

/jan
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Jason A. Pfeil | 3 Jun 2003 17:46

Re: Desktop Background

On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 11:47, Jan wrote:
> David McWilliams wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> > 
[...snip...]
> A lot of things seem to have gone in Gnome 2 - I hope they still are 
> there, only turned off. Eg. I miss the window position that is normally 
> displayed in the middle of the screen. I also miss the neat feature I 

Heh.  I've gone round and round this with Havoc (metacity's maintainer)
and he doesn't want to do it.  It's not something that he feels regular
users would want.

> had in Gnome 1, where the window would stop (briefly) when it hit the 
> edge. Why do all these useful features go missing? Sometimes it feels 
> too much like somebody is selling out to the MSWindows crowd.
> 
> /jan
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