[Fwd: [gnome.org #1715] Adding a new module in CVS]

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> From: Christian Rose via RT <cvsmaster <at> gnome.org>
> To: me <at> freax.org
> Cc: sopwith <at> redhat.com, gleblanc <at> linuxweasel.com, chema <at> celorio.com, jdub <at> perkypants.org
> Subject: [gnome.org #1715] Adding a new module in CVS
> Date: 03 Jul 2003 17:05:51 -0400
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> 
> [me <at> freax.org - Sun Jun 29 18:06:33 2003]:
> > > I guess adding/importing new modules in CVS is ok if the work cannot be
> > > done sanely in a branch. People do it all the time :)
> > 
> > Okay, then I am first going to check wether the guys who promised me
> > that they would work on the project after their exams are finished, are
> > indeed keeping their promise. If they won't, I fear that it's not a
> > cvs.gnome.org-worthy module yet.
> 
> Sounds good. I'll close this as resolved then -- when and if you need
> more CVS accounts for contributors, please send in new requests.
> 
> 
> Christian
> 
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Some suggestions for GCM from Jeff Waugh

Hey everyone,

Earlier this month I asked Jeff "jdub" Waugh (who attends the same LUG
as I do -- Sydney) to take a quick look at GCM and make
recommendations. If the name seems familiar, jdub is the GNOME release
manager and author of GARNOME. Jeff is also especially a strong
advocate of the "It should just work(TM)" movement within GNOME
circles. Attached below is an excerpt of that IRC chat I had with him
about GCM in relation to HIG.

Cheers,
Andrew "Netsnipe" Lau

DISCLAIMER:
Jul 03 16:41:08 <gus>   jdub: tell him what you really think ;)
Jul 03 16:41:22 <jdub>  
Jul 03 16:41:43 <jdub> it's not his code, so i don't feel too ashamed
	to be quick and blunt ;)

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Re: Some suggestions for GCM from Jeff Waugh

<quote who="Andrew Lau">

> DISCLAIMER:
> Jul 03 16:41:08 <gus>   jdub: tell him what you really think ;)
> Jul 03 16:41:22 <jdub>  
> Jul 03 16:41:43 <jdub> it's not his code, so i don't feel too ashamed
> 	to be quick and blunt ;)

Yeah, yikes, I thought you were going to send a summary, not the log. 

> Jul 03 16:49:38 <jdub>	Netsnipe: if gcm.net is compelling enough, it
>                           could force us to have the "what do we do now?"
>                           conversation wrt mono/c# and python
> Jul 03 16:49:53 <jdub>	which'll be just great
> Jul 03 16:50:06 <jdub>	no one will check code in for weeks on end

^ note that you guys could really drive this if you propose the Mono-based
version of gcm for the next release. 

- Jeff

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Re: Re: Some suggestions for GCM from Jeff Waugh

On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 15:51, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> > DISCLAIMER:
> > Jul 03 16:41:08 <gus>   jdub: tell him what you really think ;)
> > Jul 03 16:41:22 <jdub>  
> > Jul 03 16:41:43 <jdub> it's not his code, so i don't feel too ashamed
> > 	to be quick and blunt ;)

> Yeah, yikes, I thought you were going to send a summary, not the log. 

Yes, well, I have read the log and I agree with most issues. I just
don't have the time to fix all them in a short period. Perhaps it would
be better if gcm would use glade for it's userinterface in stead of
hardcoded C.

> > Jul 03 16:49:38 <jdub>	Netsnipe: if gcm.net is compelling enough, it
> >                           could force us to have the "what do we do now?"
> >                           conversation wrt mono/c# and python
> > Jul 03 16:49:53 <jdub>	which'll be just great
> > Jul 03 16:50:06 <jdub>	no one will check code in for weeks on end
> 
> ^ note that you guys could really drive this if you propose the Mono-based
> version of gcm for the next release. 

The .NET version of gcm is far from finished. In fact I am still waiting
for two other programmers to finish their exams and stuff they are doing
now before I even think about committing the module in CVS

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Re: Re: Some suggestions for GCM from Jeff Waugh

On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 15:51, Jeff Waugh wrote:

**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul  3 15:36:09 2003

Jul 03 15:38:53 <jdub>  as in, getting it into the desktop release? it
needs to be proposed for 2.6 when there's a request from proposals
Jul 03 15:39:12 <Netsnipe>      no one proposed gcm? = )
Jul 03 15:39:19 <Netsnipe>      I thought some people just hated it
Jul 03 15:39:39 <Netsnipe>      it just seems weird that the clipboard
in GNOME is still neglected
Jul 03 15:39:50 <jdub>  no one proposed it for 2.4

Thats wierd, I once proposed it for 2.4, but that was some time ago. I
got some comments from people on the mailinglist that obviously never
used gcm before and did not saw the use of it, and then suddenly I was
to busy to focus myself on the gcm-project. (I was switching jobs). I
remember that I even create a garball-thingy for gcm of which you
explained me how to build it (or there must be two jdubs on
irc.gimp.org). However, doesn't matter. I agree if you say that gcm is
not ready for inclusion in GNOME Desktop... so it should not be included
at all.

Jul 03 15:40:05 <jdub>  bob2: 2.4 is feature and module frozen
Jul 03 15:40:30 <jdub>  Netsnipe: the extended clipboard, yes.
copy/paste works as expected.
Jul 03 15:40:31 <gus>   Netsnipe: the clipboard in gnome (mostly) works
fine afaict

Please note that the primary purpose of gcm is not to fix a clipboard
but to add features to the clipboard like saving the clipboard data

Re: Re: Some suggestions for GCM from Jeff Waugh

<quote who="Philip Van Hoof">

> Jul 03 16:33:08 <jdub>  the prefs box looks like someone tried to higify
> it, but it just looks like cheese pizza with no meat
> 
> This is because I quick-ported it from Gnome/Gtk 1.x to Gnome/Gtk 2.x
> and because the UI is not created using glade.

Heh, that makes a lot of sense. 

> Jul 03 16:33:28 <jdub>  in the general tab (bad name?)
> Jul 03 16:33:33 <jdub>  you have selection options
> Jul 03 16:33:48 <jdub>  manage gnome clipboard / manage both / manage
> mouse selection
> Jul 03 16:33:57 <Netsnipe>      jdub: still too complex?
> Jul 03 16:33:57 <jdub>  what does that mean?
> Jul 03 16:34:03 <jdub>  can't it "just work"?
> 
> No it cannot just work.
> 
> A lot of discussion have been generated in the gnome mailinglists about
> this feature. The simple fact is that the X protocol cannot cleanly
> support a clipboard manager that manages the mouse-selection correctly.
> Klipper and gcm do it all wrong, belive me. Polling the mouse-selection is
> the only way to get mouse-selection management working.
> 
> This is why on gcm, the feature is turned off by default. And the default
> should stay off until the X protocol can support a clipboard manager for
> the mouse-selection.

A desktop framework/daemon

Hi there,

I am the author of the current GNOME Clipboard Manager application.
Being aware that only a clipboard manager is not what people actually
really need, I am planning to create a new type of daemon.

My plans are to create a desktop-daemon that serves all types of desktop
services. My plans are to make this desktop-daemon platform independent
and network transparant.

The first module that I am planning to create is a clipboard-daemon.
This clipboard daemon will keep a small history of clipboards and will
talk XML with it's clients;

Applications (on the network and/or the localhost) can then ask the
daemon to get a layer of a clipboard in the history (A clipboard can
have different layers, or targets. For example the HTML view of such a
clipboard, or the TEXT view, the PNG view or whatever format the
application desires). Because such clipboards can be binary the content
will be or UUEncoded or served as a HTTP url 

'example' :

<clipboardlayer>
<mimetype>image/png</mimetype>
<sourcetype>url</sourcetype>
<url>http://computername:pppp/clipboardmanager/binitem?clipboard=current/image.png</url>
</clipboardlayer>

gcm-development

Hi!

I've allways wanted to contribute to Gnome but since I'm relativly new at using some kind of UNIX and I've
mostly programmed in a windows enviroment (though I'm learning C at the moment) so it's been hard to find an
area where I could contribute. Now when i saw that C# coders were wanted (an area where I actually have some
experience) I thought it could be a good way for me to start and give my help to Gnome.

So what I'm asking is, would it be possible for a persone like me to join this project? Oh, and btw, I'm running
FreeBSD but it looks like mono will be available for us as well any day now :)

br
.f

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