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Corey Burger | 4 Feb 2007 06:05
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Re: GNOME Planet is currently unmaintained

On 1/28/07, Jeff Waugh <jdub <at> perkypants.org> wrote:
> <quote who="Jordi Mas">
>
> > For more than three months I have been sending e-mail messages to the
> > current GNOME Planet editor Jeff Waugh but I got no answer.
>
> Hi Jordi,
>
> I know a few requests have been waiting in my inbox over the last few weeks
> or so, as I've been focusing almost 100% on linux.conf.au 2007. I've hardly
> even had time to delete broken feeds either, which has resulted in a lot of
> cron damage. ;-

Jeff,

If you are crazy busy, as you usually are, can we get somebody else in
on the maintenance of planet?

Corey
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Davyd Madeley | 4 Feb 2007 07:27
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Re: GNOME Planet is currently unmaintained

On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 09:05:35PM -0800, Corey Burger wrote:
> On 1/28/07, Jeff Waugh <jdub <at> perkypants.org> wrote:
> > <quote who="Jordi Mas">
> >
> > > For more than three months I have been sending e-mail messages to the
> > > current GNOME Planet editor Jeff Waugh but I got no answer.
> >
> > Hi Jordi,
> >
> > I know a few requests have been waiting in my inbox over the last few weeks
> > or so, as I've been focusing almost 100% on linux.conf.au 2007. I've hardly
> > even had time to delete broken feeds either, which has resulted in a lot of
> > cron damage. ;-
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> If you are crazy busy, as you usually are, can we get somebody else in
> on the maintenance of planet?

So a lot of people appear on IRC to check that someone is actually
reading their emails re Planet and while Jeff did create Planet,
it's now become a very important piece of GNOME's web presence.
Maybe it's time to make a team responsible for it and feed its
email into Request Tracker so that they know what email is handled.

As Corey says, and by Jeff's own admission, Jeff is often crazy-busy
and it's been this way since before linux.conf.au. I don't see that
really changing any time soon.

I would like to see a team (perhaps lead by Jeff?) formed to take
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Claudio Saavedra | 4 Feb 2007 17:54
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Re: GNOME Planet is currently unmaintained

On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 15:27 +0900, Davyd Madeley wrote:

> So a lot of people appear on IRC to check that someone is actually
> reading their emails re Planet and while Jeff did create Planet,
> it's now become a very important piece of GNOME's web presence.
> Maybe it's time to make a team responsible for it and feed its
> email into Request Tracker so that they know what email is handled.
> 
> As Corey says, and by Jeff's own admission, Jeff is often crazy-busy
> and it's been this way since before linux.conf.au. I don't see that
> really changing any time soon.
> 
> I would like to see a team (perhaps lead by Jeff?) formed to take
> responsibility for Planet.

As far as I understand, there are tasks which could be separated, and
would ease the Planet maintenance:

- Technical maintenance: Removing or temporally disabling feeds which 
  are not available. Updating hackergotchies, etc.
- Editorial maintenance: Keep on eye on planet's readability, accept or 
  reject requests for inclusion, etc.

The first could be done by a small team willing to comaintain the
planet, and require not too much besides good will and a SVN account.
The second one, I think Jeff has done very well so far (leaving out the
fact of him being so busy), and I think things could improve if he
wouldn't need to take care of the first point.

Claudio
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Quim Gil | 5 Feb 2007 07:08
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Quim Gil <quimgil <at> gmail.com>

New board roles

The board had its second meeting last week. Although we have been
individually really busy during January, we hope to be more efficient
from now on. I am starting having a work/family routine after the move
to Helsinki, and Nokia is letting me some GNOME time during office
hours. That helps.

We decided new board roles:

- Glynn is the new secretary (before it was Federico).
- Dave is the new treasurer (before it was Jonathan aka jbr).
- Anne repeats as vice-hair.
- I'm chairing this year (following Dave's Path of Chairing Wisdom, hopefully).

My candidate program was focused on internal board/Foundation
improvements, and this is what I will try to push.

You will know more about the meeting very soon, in the minutes. We
want to beat our marks delivering them publicly.

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Mariano Suárez-Alvarez | 5 Feb 2007 09:31
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Re: New board roles

Hi all,

On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 08:08 +0200, Quim Gil wrote:
> [snip]
> My candidate program was focused on internal board/Foundation
> improvements, and this is what I will try to push.
> [snip]

One thing that appears to need improvement is the handling of foundation
membership applications. 

As mentioned today (for an appropriately chosen timezone) on #g-h, every
so often someone comes into that channel asking for someone from the
membership committee to ask for news about his/her application after
having waited X time. Independently of the reasons behind the delay, it
undoubtedly results in unnecessary frustration. It can be construed as
an excessively high bar of entry; it can occasionally be, and indeed has
been, seen as discrimination against specific individuals, &c.

Part of the problem lies in that applicants are more or less in the dark
as to what happened to their application, apart from the email that
(some?) of them get after submitting the application form. From asking
on line, it appears that most of the delays are due to having to wait
for contacts to respond to confirmations and so on; having a status page
where such information can be queried would probably be of much use. It
has also been reported that some people have had their application
accepted while not having gotten any notification of the fact.

I think that the membership committee is doing a great job. I think
there is some room for improvement, too, in, at least, the public
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Vincent Untz | 5 Feb 2007 13:45
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Re: New board roles

Le lundi 05 février 2007, à 05:31, Mariano Suárez-Alvarez a écrit :
> Hi all,
> 
> On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 08:08 +0200, Quim Gil wrote:
> > [snip]
> > My candidate program was focused on internal board/Foundation
> > improvements, and this is what I will try to push.
> > [snip]
> 
> One thing that appears to need improvement is the handling of foundation
> membership applications. 
> 
> As mentioned today (for an appropriately chosen timezone) on #g-h, every
> so often someone comes into that channel asking for someone from the
> membership committee to ask for news about his/her application after
> having waited X time. Independently of the reasons behind the delay, it
> undoubtedly results in unnecessary frustration. It can be construed as
> an excessively high bar of entry; it can occasionally be, and indeed has
> been, seen as discrimination against specific individuals, &c.

Having been in the membership committee for a very long time, I confirm
that many people had such feelings.

However, things have been getting much better lately (I could even say
they've got better since I left ;-)): applications are kept in RT, and
should be processed within a month. Applicants are told to mail the
membership committee if it's not the case.

> Part of the problem lies in that applicants are more or less in the dark
> as to what happened to their application, apart from the email that
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Dave Neary | 5 Feb 2007 14:05
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Re: New board roles

Vincent Untz wrote:
> Le lundi 05 février 2007, à 05:31, Mariano Suárez-Alvarez a écrit :
>> One thing that appears to need improvement is the handling of foundation
>> membership applications. 

...

> However, things have been getting much better lately (I could even say
> they've got better since I left ;-)): applications are kept in RT, and
> should be processed within a month. Applicants are told to mail the
> membership committee if it's not the case.

The membership committee got two new members last year - Clytie and
Izabel. Have they been integrated into the team and do they have access
to all the ressources they need to approve/deny/reply to requests?

Cheers,
Dave.

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Baris Cicek | 6 Feb 2007 19:42
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Re: New board roles

On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 05:31 -0300, Mariano Suárez-Alvarez wrote:
> Hi all,
Hi Mariano, thanks for bringing this issue forward.

> 
> On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 08:08 +0200, Quim Gil wrote:
> > [snip]
> > My candidate program was focused on internal board/Foundation
> > improvements, and this is what I will try to push.
> > [snip]
> 
> One thing that appears to need improvement is the handling of foundation
> membership applications. 
> 
> As mentioned today (for an appropriately chosen timezone) on #g-h, every
> so often someone comes into that channel asking for someone from the
> membership committee to ask for news about his/her application after
> having waited X time. Independently of the reasons behind the delay, it
> undoubtedly results in unnecessary frustration. It can be construed as
> an excessively high bar of entry; it can occasionally be, and indeed has
> been, seen as discrimination against specific individuals, &c.
> 
> Part of the problem lies in that applicants are more or less in the dark
> as to what happened to their application, apart from the email that
> (some?) of them get after submitting the application form. From asking
> on line, it appears that most of the delays are due to having to wait
> for contacts to respond to confirmations and so on; having a status page
> where such information can be queried would probably be of much use. It
> has also been reported that some people have had their application
> accepted while not having gotten any notification of the fact.
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Baris Cicek | 6 Feb 2007 19:51
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Re: New board roles

On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 14:05 +0100, Dave Neary wrote:
> Vincent Untz wrote:
> > Le lundi 05 février 2007, à 05:31, Mariano Suárez-Alvarez a écrit :
> >> One thing that appears to need improvement is the handling of foundation
> >> membership applications. 
> 
> ...
> 
> > However, things have been getting much better lately (I could even say
> > they've got better since I left ;-)): applications are kept in RT, and
> > should be processed within a month. Applicants are told to mail the
> > membership committee if it's not the case.
> 
> The membership committee got two new members last year - Clytie and
> Izabel. Have they been integrated into the team and do they have access
> to all the ressources they need to approve/deny/reply to requests?
I can't say that they are very well integrated into team. Sankarshan was
trying to arrange a meeting but unfortunately we have a huge problem of
having a communication. We will hopefully do something about it in near
future. 

> 
> Cheers,
> Dave.
> 

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Vincent Untz | 6 Feb 2007 20:18
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Re: New board roles

Le lundi 05 février 2007, à 13:45, Vincent Untz a écrit :
> Status page is a good idea. I don't know if it's easily doable, but we
> should look at this. Guilherme did something related:
> http://www.gnome.org/~gpastore/accounts.html
> I'll see if we can steal this ;-)

http://www.gnome.org/~gpastore/membership.html

Thanks, Guilherme!

Vincent

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