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Jody Goldberg | 7 Feb 2005 17:28
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Minutes of the Board meeting 2005 Feb 2

Attendance:
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   Owen Taylor (chairing)
   Luis Villa
   Christian Schaller
   Jody Goldberg
   David Neary
   Tim Ney
   Federico Mena-Quintero

Regrets:
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   Miguel de Icaza
   Daniel Veillard
   Jonathan Blandford
   Murray Cumming

Thank You:
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  The new board would like to thank the previous board members for
  their work and commitement, as well as for the Election Comitee who
  flawlessly organized the elections, thanks to 
      - Glynn Foster
      - Nat Friedman
      - Bill Haneman
      - Leslie Proctor 
      - Jeff Waugh
  you rocked !
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Jeff Waugh | 7 Feb 2005 22:55
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Re: Minutes of the Board meeting 2005 Feb 2

<quote who="Nat Friedman">

> On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 11:28 -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote:
> >     - Getting Road map in Wiki
> >     : Luis seems to be making progress.  The old roadmap is on the wiki and
> >       needs to be updated.
> 
> Having spent some time evaluating Wikis the last two weeks, I have to say
> GNOME is running perhaps the worst possible Wiki software on
> live.gnome.org.  I would recommend that if the group ever looks at moving
> to a new piece of software, Twiki and MediaWiki be considered.  Twiki has
> an awesome file-attachment feature and both are just superior in most ways
> to MoinMoin.

Moin is simple, works well, has a good security history, is easily hacked
on, has a file attachment feature, ACLs, etc. I did the rounds of wiki
softare too, but chose Cheerios, not Fruit Loops.

- Jeff

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Luis Villa | 7 Feb 2005 23:07
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Re: Minutes of the Board meeting 2005 Feb 2

I have no particular horse here, but I will note that if we want to
use wiki for serious documents, we must have high quality RCS, and
mediawiki and whatever ubuntu use have that, and live.gnome.org does
not, which is a serious bummer.

Also, Jeff, AFAICT, mediawiki (being the engine behind the biggest
wiki in the world) seems to have a decent rep; dismissing it as 'fruit
loops' is silly.

Luis

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:55:32 +1100, Jeff Waugh <jdub <at> perkypants.org> wrote:
> <quote who="Nat Friedman">
> 
> > On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 11:28 -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote:
> > >     - Getting Road map in Wiki
> > >     : Luis seems to be making progress.  The old roadmap is on the wiki and
> > >       needs to be updated.
> >
> > Having spent some time evaluating Wikis the last two weeks, I have to say
> > GNOME is running perhaps the worst possible Wiki software on
> > live.gnome.org.  I would recommend that if the group ever looks at moving
> > to a new piece of software, Twiki and MediaWiki be considered.  Twiki has
> > an awesome file-attachment feature and both are just superior in most ways
> > to MoinMoin.
> 
> Moin is simple, works well, has a good security history, is easily hacked
> on, has a file attachment feature, ACLs, etc. I did the rounds of wiki
> softare too, but chose Cheerios, not Fruit Loops.
>
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Jeff Waugh | 7 Feb 2005 23:14
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Re: Minutes of the Board meeting 2005 Feb 2

<quote who="Luis Villa">

> I have no particular horse here, but I will note that if we want to use
> wiki for serious documents, we must have high quality RCS, and mediawiki
> and whatever ubuntu use have that, and live.gnome.org does not, which is a
> serious bummer.

We do our serious document authoring in CVS, and while I can see a use case
for it in the wiki, we have long had a convention (almost policy) of keeping
important stuff like that in CVS.

Meanwhile: http://live.gnome.org/FrontPage?action=info

> Also, Jeff, AFAICT, mediawiki (being the engine behind the biggest wiki in
> the world) seems to have a decent rep; dismissing it as 'fruit loops' is
> silly.

Froot Loops for GNOME's requirements, which is the context in which it was
said.

- Jeff

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Shaun McCance | 8 Feb 2005 00:13
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Re: Minutes of the Board meeting 2005 Feb 2

On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 17:07 -0500, Luis Villa wrote:
> I have no particular horse here, but I will note that if we want to
> use wiki for serious documents, we must have high quality RCS, and
> mediawiki and whatever ubuntu use have that, and live.gnome.org does
> not, which is a serious bummer.
> 
> Also, Jeff, AFAICT, mediawiki (being the engine behind the biggest
> wiki in the world) seems to have a decent rep; dismissing it as 'fruit
> loops' is silly.

I have to second this.  MediaWiki also has a much more sane syntax.
For something that's supposed to make my life easier, I've had to
spend quite a lot of time trying to figure out which combinations
of characters are syntactically valid.  It reminds me of Perl, and
that isn't a compliment.

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Shaun
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Luis Villa | 8 Feb 2005 00:15
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Re: Minutes of the Board meeting 2005 Feb 2

If the thread must be continued, please don't cc ad-board. I've
dropped them from this reply.

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:13:03 -0600, Shaun McCance <shaunm <at> gnome.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 17:07 -0500, Luis Villa wrote:
> > I have no particular horse here, but I will note that if we want to
> > use wiki for serious documents, we must have high quality RCS, and
> > mediawiki and whatever ubuntu use have that, and live.gnome.org does
> > not, which is a serious bummer.
> >
> > Also, Jeff, AFAICT, mediawiki (being the engine behind the biggest
> > wiki in the world) seems to have a decent rep; dismissing it as 'fruit
> > loops' is silly.
> 
> I have to second this.  MediaWiki also has a much more sane syntax.
> For something that's supposed to make my life easier, I've had to
> spend quite a lot of time trying to figure out which combinations
> of characters are syntactically valid.  It reminds me of Perl, and
> that isn't a compliment.
> 
> --
> Shaun
> 
>
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Nat Friedman | 7 Feb 2005 22:11
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On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 08:55 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> Moin is simple, works well, has a good security history, is easily hacked
> on, has a file attachment feature, ACLs, etc. I did the rounds of wiki
> softare too, but chose Cheerios, not Fruit Loops.

Yeah, not a big deal, but Fruit Loops does make the milk look cool.

Nat
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Nat Friedman | 7 Feb 2005 21:58
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On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 11:28 -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote:
>     - Getting Road map in Wiki
>     : Luis seems to be making progress.  The old roadmap is on the wiki and
>       needs to be updated.

Having spent some time evaluating Wikis the last two weeks, I have to
say GNOME is running perhaps the worst possible Wiki software on
live.gnome.org.  I would recommend that if the group ever looks at
moving to a new piece of software, Twiki and MediaWiki be considered.
Twiki has an awesome file-attachment feature and both are just superior
in most ways to MoinMoin.

Nat
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James Henstridge | 8 Feb 2005 03:02
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Nat Friedman wrote:

>On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 11:28 -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote:
>  
>
>>    - Getting Road map in Wiki
>>    : Luis seems to be making progress.  The old roadmap is on the wiki and
>>      needs to be updated.
>>    
>>
>
>Having spent some time evaluating Wikis the last two weeks, I have to
>say GNOME is running perhaps the worst possible Wiki software on
>live.gnome.org.  I would recommend that if the group ever looks at
>moving to a new piece of software, Twiki and MediaWiki be considered.
>Twiki has an awesome file-attachment feature and both are just superior
>in most ways to MoinMoin.
>  
>
In what ways does Twiki's file attachment feature compare with Moin's 
file attachment feature?  There is an "attach file" link at the bottom 
of every page you can edit on live.gnome.org.  Information on 
referencing the attachments is available here:
    http://live.gnome.org/HelpOnActions_2fAttachFile

It sounds like some of the features people think are missing from Moin 
actually exist, but are only available via the little icons in the top 
right hand corner, which don't really stand out if you don't know what 
they are for.
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Anne Østergaard | 10 Feb 2005 12:04
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Call for invitations for GUADEC 2006]

Call for invitations for GUADEC 2006

Dear GNOME friends

For those of you who would like to host the next GUADEC in 2006 you are
hereby invited to write a formal invitation to the director of The
GNOME Foundation.

The invitation should be send to 
Tim Ney <ten <at> gnome.org> and
Anne Østergaard <anne <at> oestergaard.nu>
at the latest on March 14th 2005. 

As the conference is getting bigger and hopefully better and more
important every year there is no reason not to tell you that it takes a
lot of persons actively involved and committed in the actual planning
and a lot of time and spent carrying out the practical work.

It is also rewording and very much fun and you learn a lot in the
process.

I usually say that when you can take care of a baby and handle a big
conference you are pretty much prepared for anything. These things are
real and can not be handed virtually.

Some practical advice:

There are a couple of things that you must take into account when
writing your invitation:
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