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Arthur Machlas | 4 Feb 2011 09:57
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Gnome3 Design "In the Open"


Been trying to catch up on rationale / discussion of some gnome3
design decisions. Read on [1] that  "virtually all the discussion
about this has been happening on #gnome-design", and of course,
"Change in the open is hard. Design in the open is hard."

Unfortunately, I've been unable to find any logs for #gnome-design,
and a mod on the channel told me that there isn't one, so far as
he/she knows.

It seems odd - to put it kindly - to claim "virtually all"[1]
development of the gnome3 UI occurring on an unlogged IRC channel can
be considered "in the open"[1].

Not sure what can be done about this. Perhaps those who have spent
time idling in the channel could help piece together a history of the
development discussion? Perhaps a page could be added to the wiki to
help recreate lost discsussions, and those with logs could help
fill-in-the-blanks, so to speak.

Going forward, can a bot be setup to record discussions here?

Best wishes,
AM

[1] http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/on-laptop-lids-and-power-settings/
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Allan Day | 4 Feb 2011 10:40
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Re: Gnome3 Design "In the Open"


Hey Arthur,

Arthur Machlas wrote:
> Been trying to catch up on rationale / discussion of some gnome3
> design decisions. Read on [1] that  "virtually all the discussion
> about this has been happening on #gnome-design", and of course,
> "Change in the open is hard. Design in the open is hard."

Heh, that was me.

> Unfortunately, I've been unable to find any logs for #gnome-design,
> and a mod on the channel told me that there isn't one, so far as
> he/she knows.
> 
> It seems odd - to put it kindly - to claim "virtually all"[1]
> development of the gnome3 UI occurring on an unlogged IRC channel can
> be considered "in the open"[1].

Yes, it's a shame we don't have logging. Not something that is
restricted to GNOME design I might add - we don't have it on any GNOME
channels.

> Not sure what can be done about this. Perhaps those who have spent
> time idling in the channel could help piece together a history of the
> development discussion? Perhaps a page could be added to the wiki to
> help recreate lost discsussions, and those with logs could help
> fill-in-the-blanks, so to speak.

We do try and document as much as we can. The GNOME Shell design page
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Arthur Machlas | 4 Feb 2011 10:55
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Re: Gnome3 Design "In the Open"


On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Allan Day <allanpday <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>> It seems odd - to put it kindly - to claim "virtually all"[1]
>> development of the gnome3 UI occurring on an unlogged IRC channel can
>> be considered "in the open"[1].
>
> Yes, it's a shame we don't have logging. Not something that is
> restricted to GNOME design I might add - we don't have it on any GNOME
> channels.

Good to note, though I don't want anyone to think I was implying a
conspiracy of some kind to keep the ui changes under wraps. Just that
IRC isn't a good place for devel, and log-less IRC even less so.

>> Not sure what can be done about this. Perhaps those who have spent
>> time idling in the channel could help piece together a history of the
>> development discussion? Perhaps a page could be added to the wiki to
>> help recreate lost discsussions, and those with logs could help
>> fill-in-the-blanks, so to speak.
>
> We do try and document as much as we can. The GNOME Shell design page
> [1] contains quite a thorough account, and the GNOME Shell design
> whiteboards are quite extensive [2]. There are also a few pages relating
> to system settings stuff too [3, 4].

I'll go through those, thanks for explicit links.

> If there are any specific decisions or issues that you would like to
> explore, feel free to contact me off-list. I'll do my best to point you
> in the right direction.
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Arthur Machlas | 4 Feb 2011 11:09
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Re: Gnome3 Design "In the Open"


I should add to above comments, that I don't think gnome channel's
need IRC logging. But if significant developement / decisions are
being made on IRC as opposed to mailing lists, perhaps those channels'
ought to be given special consideration.

Regards,
AM
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Keith Poole | 6 Feb 2011 02:13
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Folder icon via custom mime type?

Hi everyone,


Just wondering if folders with specific extensions (yes, I know it sounds ridiculous) can be given custom icons via mime types or similar?

I've been playing with a custom mime definition in ~/.local/share/mime/packages but it seems to only apply to files, not folders.

Thoughts?

Thanks
-Keith
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