Malcolm Tredinnick | 1 Jun 03:21 2003
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Re: My take on Totem and GStreamer

On Sun, 2003-06-01 at 06:03, Luis Villa wrote:
> Julien-
> If we want to test all of this out of CVS, what gstreamer/branch tag
> should we be using?
> Luis

This didn't seem to be answered in the followup, but it looks like
everything has appeared on the BRANCH-GSTREAMER-0_6 branch (careful
getting all those hyphens and underscores right).

Cheers,
Malcolm
Alvaro | 1 Jun 13:22 2003
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Re: 2.4: System Tools - I like them

Hi guys!

El sáb, 31 de 05 de 2003 a las 16:46, Murray.Cumming <at> Comneon.com
escribió:
> > > From: Cumming Murray (COMNEON Linz) 
> > > So, people need to try them out _now_ and start the 
> > > criticism. The GEP 11
> > > end date is June 2nd - 4 days from now.
> > ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-system-tools/
> 
> Some minor changes need to be made, and the maintainer has agreed to make
> them.
> 
> I think the network connections tool is flaky and far from usable, and I
> don't think we want that support problem. But if we left the network one out
> for now, leaving a boot manager, a runlevel editor, time settings, and a
> user manager, I'd like to see this go in. At the least, it's really silly
> that we don't have some way to set the system clock in GNOME.
> 

Hey, the network tool in Debian works like a champion. I use it a lot
and I don't think it isn't usable. Could you give some details about
this? I have tested it with several end users and they have configured
correctly the network, modem and ethernet. And in the 0.26 version we
have druids for create new connections so it is more easy to do the
work.

Cheers

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Mark Finlay | 1 Jun 11:41 2003
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Re: My take on Totem and GStreamer

On Sat, 2003-05-31 at 21:07, Julien MOUTTE wrote:
> a pre release of 0.6.2 is available here :
> 
> http://gstreamer.net/releases/0.6.2/src/
> 
> you can then test with totem cvs HEAD and --enable-gstreamer configure option.

Ok, I've got this running with totem HEAD (required for error handling)

* If gst-register has not been run totem crashes - would be nice if it
handled that better

* If colorspace is not installed then it gives an error that
"gst-player" requires colorspace.

* I couldn't find a video file that gst-totem woudln't open (some ones I
had before that didn't work, work now). So I opened a text file for the
laugh. It went into a endless loop. I had to drop to a console to kill
it.

* The pause before opening videos is gnome - excellent

* I get no sound at all - could just be my setup though

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Julien MOUTTE | 1 Jun 11:50 2003

Re: My take on Totem and GStreamer


> * If gst-register has not been run totem crashes - would be nice if it
> handled that better

I will look into that.

> * If colorspace is not installed then it gives an error that
> "gst-player" requires colorspace.

Indeed colorspace is needed. I m not sure we can do without, i ll ask.

> * I couldn't find a video file that gst-totem woudln't open (some ones I
> had before that didn't work, work now). So I opened a text file for the
> laugh. It went into a endless loop. I had to drop to a console to kill
> it.

It should make an error i ll take a look :)

> * I get no sound at all - could just be my setup though

depends on the audiosink that you use in your gconf setup (/system/gstreamer/default/) if you run esound
it should be esdsink. but normally if osssink is set and /dev/dsp is not available you should get an error..
i ll try that.

Thanks for that feedback report :)

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Julien MOUTTE | 1 Jun 12:32 2003

Re: My take on Totem and GStreamer


> * If gst-register has not been run totem crashes - would be nice if it
> handled that better

It works with 0.6.1.2 i m almost sure you are using a parallel 0.6.0 installation which crash on that.. Try
the about box of totem it will tell you the backend version.

> * I couldn't find a video file that gst-totem woudln't open (some ones I
> had before that didn't work, work now). So I opened a text file for the
> laugh. It went into a endless loop. I had to drop to a console to kill
> it.

Here it works

Try again being sure PKG_CONFIG_PATH will catch 0.6.1.2 and not the local 0.6.0

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Jeff Waugh | 1 Jun 12:34 2003

Re: Different vision for the GNOME Desktop?

<quote who="Jeff Waugh">

> Rather than debate these ideas in terms of the status quo, what is your
> vision for how GNOME should handle these software releases, and the issues
> raised in this thread?

Dude?

- Jeff

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Mark Finlay | 1 Jun 12:35 2003
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Re: My take on Totem and GStreamer


> > * If colorspace is not installed then it gives an error that
> > "gst-player" requires colorspace.
> 
> Indeed colorspace is needed. I m not sure we can do without, i ll ask.

No, it is needed - but there error message made reference to gst-player
instead of totem

> > * I couldn't find a video file that gst-totem woudln't open (some ones I
> > had before that didn't work, work now). So I opened a text file for the
> > laugh. It went into a endless loop. I had to drop to a console to kill
> > it.
> 
> It should make an error i ll take a look :)

It did make an error, the problem was that it made thousands of errors

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Ronald Bultje | 1 Jun 12:50 2003
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Re: My take on Totem and GStreamer

Hey,

On Sun, 2003-06-01 at 11:50, Julien MOUTTE wrote:
> > * If colorspace is not installed then it gives an error that
> > "gst-player" requires colorspace.
> Indeed colorspace is needed. I m not sure we can do without, i ll ask.

I think he means the "gst-player" part in the error. The application is
called "Totem". ;).

Ronald

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Christian Rose | 1 Jun 13:59 2003
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Re: My take on Totem and GStreamer

sön 2003-06-01 klockan 12.35 skrev Mark Finlay:
> > > * If colorspace is not installed then it gives an error that
> > > "gst-player" requires colorspace.
> > 
> > Indeed colorspace is needed. I m not sure we can do without, i ll ask.
> 
> No, it is needed - but there error message made reference to gst-player
> instead of totem

If totem does display "raw" gstreamer error texts in its dialogs, that's
a big problem. Gstreamer didn't support localization last time I had a
look, and we don't want unlocalized content in user visible dialogs in
GNOME.

Ideally, gstreamer would allow for the top-level application to replace
all such texts with its own messages, i.e. so that all such messages can
be translated entirely within totem in this case. That would also help
even if gstreamer supported localization in the future, since gstreamer
isn't hosted on gnome.org and we would still have the same teams
translating both GNOME, totem, and it's error messages, and the same
level of support.

If what I'm saying is complete rubbish please don't hesitate to tell me
so. It's just that I see a potential major problem if verbatim gstreamer
error messages are passed directly to totem for display.

Christian
Chipzz | 1 Jun 16:35 2003

Re: 2.4: System Tools - I like them

On 31 May 2003, Bastien Nocera wrote:

> From: Bastien Nocera <hadess <at> hadess.net>
> Subject: Re: 2.4: System Tools - I like them
> 
> On Sat, 2003-05-31 at 16:34, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > <quote who="Murray.Cumming <at> Comneon.com">
> > 
> > > One thought:
> > > The backends are written in perl. Does this add any new or difficult
> > > dependency to GNOME?
> > 
> > No, not really. They're written in perl because any *nix system worth its
> > salt has perl already.
> 
> Any system on which you can compile GNOME has Perl.
> 
> $ head -n 1 /usr/bin/automake
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> $ head -n 1 /usr/bin/autoconf
> #! /usr/bin/perl
> $ head -n 1 /usr/bin/aclocal
> #!/usr/bin/perl

None of which you need when compiling from tarballs which is what most
people who will compile gnome theirselves will do.

kr,

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