Norman Vine | 4 Mar 2012 01:51
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Re: Natural Earth projection


On Feb 24, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Bernhard Jenny wrote:

I would like to suggest the inclusion of the Natural Earth projection in PROJ.4. Natural Earth is a new projection for small-scale world maps. Here is more information on the projection:
http://www.shadedrelief.com/NE_proj/

This recent article in Cartography and Geographic Information Science describes the development of the projection and its equations:
http://cartography.oregonstate.edu/pdf/2011_Savric_etal_PolynomialNaturalEarth.pdf

Here is C code ready to be included in PROJ.4:
http://www.shadedrelief.com/NE_proj/natural_earth_proj.zip

I suggest the following entry for pj_list.h:
PROJ_HEAD(natearth, "Natural Earth")

Best regards,
Bernie

Bernhard Jenny
Assistant Professor
Cartography and Geovisualization
Oregon State University
jennyb <at> geo.oregonstate.edu
http://cartography.oregonstate.edu/

Bernie

Frank has added this projection see

Perhaps you could add some documentation to 

Thanks

Norman

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Gerald I. Evenden | 4 Mar 2012 02:44
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Re: Natural Earth projection

My interest in projections has waned and I only get this email list because I am too lazy to cut it off.  However this projection caught my eye for a couple of reasons: 1) it is only a slight and insignificant rehash of existing projections but, more importantly, 2) the presumptuousness of calling it the "Natural Earth." Oh please!!

Alas.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Norman Vine <nhv <at> cape.com> wrote:

On Feb 24, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Bernhard Jenny wrote:

I would like to suggest the inclusion of the Natural Earth projection in PROJ.4. Natural Earth is a new projection for small-scale world maps. Here is more information on the projection:
http://www.shadedrelief.com/NE_proj/

This recent article in Cartography and Geographic Information Science describes the development of the projection and its equations:
http://cartography.oregonstate.edu/pdf/2011_Savric_etal_PolynomialNaturalEarth.pdf

Here is C code ready to be included in PROJ.4:
http://www.shadedrelief.com/NE_proj/natural_earth_proj.zip

I suggest the following entry for pj_list.h:
PROJ_HEAD(natearth, "Natural Earth")

Best regards,
Bernie

Bernhard Jenny
Assistant Professor
Cartography and Geovisualization
Oregon State University
jennyb <at> geo.oregonstate.edu
http://cartography.oregonstate.edu/

Bernie

Frank has added this projection see

Perhaps you could add some documentation to 

Thanks

Norman


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OvV_HN | 4 Mar 2012 17:33
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Re: Natural Earth projection

In Reply to:

Bernhard Jenny jennyb at geo.oregonstate.edu
Fri Feb 24 18:02:22 EST 2012

I would like to suggest the inclusion of the Natural Earth projection in 
PROJ.4. Natural Earth is a new projection for small-scale world maps. Here 
is more information on the projection:
http://www.shadedrelief.com/NE_proj/

etc.

Could be my error, but as closer I get to a pole, the more inaccurate the 
inverse gets.
The error amounts to several degrees. Useless!

Examples:

R = 6371008.7714 m

lat, lon = 70.0, 120.0
-> x,y = 8746490.08803389, 7638351.973962101
inverse, back to lat, lon: 69.99209, 119.99120

lat, lon = 80.0, 120.0
-> x,y = 7857518.066663387, 8518264.078952862
inverse, back to lat, lon: 79.86806, 119.79482

lat, lon = 85.0, 120.0
-> x,y = 7268396.11454517, 8868081.540119916
inverse, back to lat, lon: 84.39404, 118.66044

lat, lon = 89.0, 120.0
-> x,y = 6604995.340672151, 9042363.459174621
inverse, back to lat, lon: 86.95668, 113.64953

I used the JavaScript code.

Oscar van Vlijmen

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Mikael Rittri | 5 Mar 2012 13:40
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Re: Natural Earth projection

Hello Gerald. Nice to hear from you again. 

I agree that NE looks very much like Robinson or Winkel triple. 

However, I think you read the name out of context.
It refers to (alludes to?) the free dataset Natural Earth,

Regards,

Mikael Rittri
Carmenta
Sweden
4 mar 2012 kl. 03:02 skrev "Gerald I. Evenden" <geraldi.evenden <at> gmail.com>:

My interest in projections has waned and I only get this email list because I am too lazy to cut it off.  However this projection caught my eye for a couple of reasons: 1) it is only a slight and insignificant rehash of existing projections but, more importantly, 2) the presumptuousness of calling it the "Natural Earth." Oh please!!

Alas.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Norman Vine <nhv <at> cape.com> wrote:

On Feb 24, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Bernhard Jenny wrote:

I would like to suggest the inclusion of the Natural Earth projection in PROJ.4. Natural Earth is a new projection for small-scale world maps. Here is more information on the projection:
http://www.shadedrelief.com/NE_proj/

This recent article in Cartography and Geographic Information Science describes the development of the projection and its equations:
http://cartography.oregonstate.edu/pdf/2011_Savric_etal_PolynomialNaturalEarth.pdf

Here is C code ready to be included in PROJ.4:
http://www.shadedrelief.com/NE_proj/natural_earth_proj.zip

I suggest the following entry for pj_list.h:
PROJ_HEAD(natearth, "Natural Earth")

Best regards,
Bernie

Bernhard Jenny
Assistant Professor
Cartography and Geovisualization
Oregon State University
jennyb <at> geo.oregonstate.edu
http://cartography.oregonstate.edu/

Bernie

Frank has added this projection see

Perhaps you could add some documentation to 

Thanks

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Gerald I. Evenden | 5 Mar 2012 15:56
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Re: Natural Earth projection

Perhaps a knee jerk reaction on my part because terms like "natural," like "organic," become overused these days. As you describe it, "Natural Earth's" projection would be more appropriate but this leaves the projection without a direct designation. However, "natural" as a name has a lot of nonsense baggage.

An issue that I do not remember seeing discussed with the projection is its property of being equal area. I feel that for general thematic mapping it is far more important for a map to be equal area to help the viewer have a better "feel" of the information presented.

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Mikael Rittri <Mikael.Rittri <at> carmenta.com> wrote:
Hello Gerald. Nice to hear from you again. 

I agree that NE looks very much like Robinson or Winkel triple. 

However, I think you read the name out of context.
It refers to (alludes to?) the free dataset Natural Earth,

Regards,

Mikael Rittri
Carmenta
Sweden
4 mar 2012 kl. 03:02 skrev "Gerald I. Evenden" <geraldi.evenden <at> gmail.com>:

My interest in projections has waned and I only get this email list because I am too lazy to cut it off.  However this projection caught my eye for a couple of reasons: 1) it is only a slight and insignificant rehash of existing projections but, more importantly, 2) the presumptuousness of calling it the "Natural Earth." Oh please!!

Alas.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Norman Vine <nhv <at> cape.com> wrote:

On Feb 24, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Bernhard Jenny wrote:

I would like to suggest the inclusion of the Natural Earth projection in PROJ.4. Natural Earth is a new projection for small-scale world maps. Here is more information on the projection:
http://www.shadedrelief.com/NE_proj/

This recent article in Cartography and Geographic Information Science describes the development of the projection and its equations:
http://cartography.oregonstate.edu/pdf/2011_Savric_etal_PolynomialNaturalEarth.pdf

Here is C code ready to be included in PROJ.4:
http://www.shadedrelief.com/NE_proj/natural_earth_proj.zip

I suggest the following entry for pj_list.h:
PROJ_HEAD(natearth, "Natural Earth")

Best regards,
Bernie

Bernhard Jenny
Assistant Professor
Cartography and Geovisualization
Oregon State University
jennyb <at> geo.oregonstate.edu
http://cartography.oregonstate.edu/

Bernie

Frank has added this projection see

Perhaps you could add some documentation to 

Thanks

Norman


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OvV_HN | 5 Mar 2012 16:37
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Re: Natural Earth projection

In reply to:

Gerald I. Evenden geraldi.evenden at gmail.com 
Mon Mar 5 09:56:52 EST 2012 

Perhaps a knee jerk reaction ..............

An issue that I do not remember seeing discussed with the projection is its
property of being equal area. I feel that for general thematic mapping it
is far more important for a map to be equal area to help the viewer have a
better "feel" of the information presented.

Reply:

The natural earth projection is neither conformal nor equal area.
This is discussed in the Savric paper mentioned earlier.
In this paper we can also find a discussion of the distortion.

Oscar van Vlijmen

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insyzygy | 5 Mar 2012 17:27
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Re: Ortho Projection Question

Just poking about this request that equates proj's +ortho flag with ESRI's
"Local Projection"

I would like to know if the +ortho flag supports rotation angles beween 0
and 180 so I can effectively rotate the cartesian axes so that the top of
the projected map is not necessarily North.

If so, which version?

Thanks, Garret

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strebe | 6 Mar 2012 04:55
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Happy birthday Mercator! -- oops


The German post office was excited enough to issue a stamp commemorating Mercator’s birth. They goofed. See:

http://mapthematics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=249

Regards,
— daan Strebe

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Mustafa646 | 6 Mar 2012 11:12
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Changing projection of base layer

Hi list,

normally we change projection of vector data for displaying it over google
base map. Similarly is it possible to change the projection of base image
tiles map? if yes, how we can do that, any reference or code example will be
appreciated. 

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Mikael Rittri | 6 Mar 2012 14:38
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Trouble georeferencing data stored in a spherical projection.

Hello, (I hope this is approximately the right forum).

 

I have had some trouble with meteorological GeoTIFF data, stored in stereographic
based on a GEOGCS called “NinJo sphere”, without any EPSG code, using a sphere
with radius 6378137 m.

The main problem wasn’t the lack of an ordinary geodetic datum, since the most detailed
file had the resolution 4.6 km, much more than the typical difference between datums.

What bothers me more, with spherical data, is that it seems impossible to know if the
spherical latitude should be interpreted as identical to WGS84 latitude (geodetic latitude),
or if it should be interpreted as geocentric latitude that needs conversion to WGS84.
The difference between the two interpretations can be up to 21 km, which can be
significant even when the datum choice isn’t.

I was hoping to find that one of the alternatives was a de facto standard, but
instead I found evidence that both of them are in use.

Spherical latitude = geodetic latitude is used by:

      Data in Web Mercator, like Open Street Map,

      Meteorological data in any of the models WRF, MM5 and NinJo.

Spherical latitude = geocentric latitude is used by:

      MISR Regional UAE2 Imagery (from NASA Earth Data).

 

In an old post, Melita Kennedy has written that it is “probably more correct” to use the
second convention; maybe she has experience with data like MISR.

The Proj.4 FAQ discusses Web Mercator and mentions “many other datasets … such as
many NASA datasets” as using the same convention, so maybe NASA is not consistent
in its choice of convention.  

 

Anyway, what I would like is some standard way to tag the metadata, in GeoTIFF in
my case but more generally in WKT, to specify which convention is used.
Of course, the problem is already solved in Proj.4, as the FAQ says, since we can use

     +nadgrids= <at> null

for the first convention, and

     +towgs84=0,0,0

for the second one.

In GeoTiff, specifying TOWGS84[0,0,0] in the same way will be possible as soon
as the proposal http://trac.osgeo.org/geotiff/wiki/TOWGS84GeoKey is supported,
but there will still be no way to specify the first convention.

In WKT, too, only the second convention can be specified.

So I wonder, is there already some discussion going on about how the first convention
could be specified? (Perhaps within OGC or EPSG.)  If not, can we start it?

Best regards

Mikael Rittri
Carmenta
Sweden
http://www.carmenta.com

 

REFERENCES:

The way to interpret WRF and MM5 data: http://www.ie.unc.edu/cempd/projects/mims/spatial/grids_ellipsoids_map_proj.html

The way to interpret NinJo data: personal trial-and-error.

The way to interpret MISR UAE2 data: http://eosweb.larc.nasa.gov/PRODOCS/misr/uae/imagery/regional/map_projection.html

Melita Kennedy’s post: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/metacrs/2008-August/000144.html

Proj.4 FAQ: http://trac.osgeo.org/proj/wiki/FAQ#ChangingEllipsoidWhycantIconvertfromWGS84toGoogleEarthVirtualGlobeMercator

 

 

    

 

 

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