Barb Yantha | 15 Dec 14:51 2014
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moderator rejected

I tried to send a message with the error yesterday afternoon but it was rejected by the moderator for size.  I guess I'll send it Part I and Part II.  Stay tuned.
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Barb Yantha | 15 Dec 14:47 2014
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help with error Part 1

I use version 3.4.8-1 and I use Windows Vista. I imported a GEDCOM file from Legacy. I've been using the software fine until yesterday morning. I received an error. It won't load, it won't back up. Last I used it was a week ago when I was merging duplicate records after a file merge. Here is the first part of the error:
24903406: ERROR: grampsgui.py: line 316: Gramps failed to start.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64\share\gramps\gui\grampsgui.py", line
292, in __startgramps
    Gramps(argparser)
  File "C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64\share\gramps\gui\grampsgui.py", line
235, in __init__
    self.vm.post_init_interface()
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Free Willy | 15 Dec 01:12 2014
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gramps bug tracker - account

Hi,
is there a problem with your interface to the bug tracker sites.
I created an account and didn't recieve the confirmation mail.
I also don't get a mail to change my password although the username 
seems to be created.

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Barb Yantha | 15 Dec 01:09 2014
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Re: Gramps-users Digest, Vol 103, Issue 23

I have version 3.4.8-1 and I use Windows Vista

here is a copy of the error:
24903406: ERROR: grampsgui.py: line 316: Gramps failed to start.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64\share\gramps\gui\grampsgui.py", line 292, in __startgramps
    Gramps(argparser)
  File "C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64\share\gramps\gui\grampsgui.py", line 235, in __init__
    self.vm.post_init_interface()
  File "C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64\share\gramps\gui\viewmanager.py", line 730, in post_init_interface
    self.__open_activate(None)
  File "C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64\share\gramps\gui\viewmanager.py", line 1125, in __open_activate
    self.db_loader.read_file(filename)
  File "C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64\share\gramps\gui\dbloader.py", line 391, in read_file
    self._end_progress()
  File "C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64\share\gramps\gui\dbloader.py", line 107, in _end_progress
    self.uistate.set_busy_cursor(0)
  File "C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64\share\gramps\DisplayState.py", line 524, in set_busy_cursor
    self.window.window.set_cursor(None)
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'set_cursor'

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   1. Re: Fwd: Re: Gramps 4.1.1 - need more place formation in
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   2. Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Gramps 4.1.1 - need more place  formation in
      database (Robert Hongulus)
   3. Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Gramps 4.1.1 - need more place
      formation in database (Nick Hall)
   4. Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Gramps 4.1.1 - need more       place
      formation in database (Robert Hongulus)
   5. Help! (Barb Yantha)
   6. Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Gramps 4.1.1 - need more place
      formation in database (Nick Hall)
   7. Re: Help! (Nick Hall)
   8. Re: Help! (Nicholas Robinson)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 19:53:49 +0000
From: Nick Hall <nick-h <at> gramps-project.org>
Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Fwd: Re: Gramps 4.1.1 - need more place
        formation in database
To: gramps-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net
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On 13/12/14 09:48, Robert Hongulus wrote:
> In my area a place has only one fix attribute. Its on the earth. Everything else changed over the time - State, County, Hamlet structure, Parish, administration. For me there is almost no benefit to know the top of the structure like state and county. The details are important, where I have to search.
>
> First the address and the change over the time. The address is use in Church Records.
> Address example for a Farm or Mill (without state and county change!):
> before 1772: Parish A ? Location ? Name (Can be done with alternate name in Gramps now)
> 1772-1784: Parish A ? hamlet A ? No. X
> 1784-1805: Parish B ? hamlet A ? No. X
> 1805-1850: Parish B ? hamlet A ? No. Y
> 1850-1990: Community A ? hamlet A ? No. Y
> 1990 ? now: Community A ? street A ? No. Z
>
> Seigniorial and Court ? for all the contracts for owner change, testament, marriage contract.
> before about 1780: Seigniorial Authority D and district court E
> about 1780 ? 1850: Seigniorial Authority D and district court E ? Registry No. XY
> 1850 ? 1880: District Court F ? Registry No. XY
> 1880 ? 1990: District Court F ? subdivision H - Registry No. YZ
> 1990: District Court G ? subdivision H - Registry No. YZ
>
> With an intelligent structure this could be managed with reasonable effort, but for the details an additional attribute in the reference editor and an extra column the Enclosed by tab are required.

Thanks.  I think that you need a type field in the link to specify a
hierarchy type.

The Gedcom-L standard defines a type in its _LOC tag, which can be one of:

POLI = Political (administrative)
RELI = Religious
GEOG = Geographic
CULT = Cultural

Is this what you need?

Nick.






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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 21:44:36 +0000
From: "Robert Hongulus" <hongulus <at> eclipso.at>
Subject: [Gramps-users] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Gramps 4.1.1 - need more
        place   formation in database
To: <gramps-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID: <7740d5642bbba3a1b74a95f4e2c12280 <at> mail.eclipso.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"


> On 13/12/14 09:48, Robert Hongulus wrote:
> > In my area a place has only one fix attribute. Its on the earth. Everything
> else changed over the time - State, County, Hamlet structure, Parish, administration.
> For me there is almost no benefit to know the top of the structure like state
> and county. The details are important, where I have to search.
> >
> > First the address and the change over the time. The address is use in
> Church Records.
> > Address example for a Farm or Mill (without state and county change!):
> > before 1772: Parish A ? Location ? Name (Can be done with alternate
> name in Gramps now)
> > 1772-1784: Parish A ? hamlet A ? No. X
> > 1784-1805: Parish B ? hamlet A ? No. X
> > 1805-1850: Parish B ? hamlet A ? No. Y
> > 1850-1990: Community A ? hamlet A ? No. Y
> > 1990 ? now: Community A ? street A ? No. Z
> >
> > Seigniorial and Court ? for all the contracts for owner change, testament,
> marriage contract.
> > before about 1780: Seigniorial Authority D and district court E
> > about 1780 ? 1850: Seigniorial Authority D and district court E ? Registry
> No. XY
> > 1850 ? 1880: District Court F ? Registry No. XY
> > 1880 ? 1990: District Court F ? subdivision H - Registry No. YZ
> > 1990: District Court G ? subdivision H - Registry No. YZ
> >
> > With an intelligent structure this could be managed with reasonable
> effort, but for the details an additional attribute in the reference editor
> and an extra column the Enclosed by tab are required.
>
> Thanks.  I think that you need a type field in the link to specify a
> hierarchy type.
>
> The Gedcom-L standard defines a type in its _LOC tag, which can be one of:
>
> POLI = Political (administrative)
> RELI = Religious
> GEOG = Geographic
> CULT = Cultural
>
> Is this what you need?
>
> Nick.

Thanks, but I need a field for Values and not a type definition. I'm not familar with GEDCOM so I had a look on a 5.5L description.  I think my Issue is not covered by GEDCOM.

For me the GEDCOM definition for Place is not consistent. From the address the use just the Postal Code (old, new), why? By using a place structure with Date Information in the link, values from the Address information like Postal Code or Street No. which may change over the time should be in the link.

Robert








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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 23:03:20 +0000
From: Nick Hall <nick-h <at> gramps-project.org>
Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Gramps 4.1.1 - need more
        place formation in database
To: gramps-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net
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On 13/12/14 21:44, Robert Hongulus wrote:
> Thanks, but I need a field for Values and not a type definition. I'm not familar with GEDCOM so I had a look on a 5.5L description.  I think my Issue is not covered by GEDCOM.
>
> For me the GEDCOM definition for Place is not consistent. From the address the use just the Postal Code (old, new), why? By using a place structure with Date Information in the link, values from the Address information like Postal Code or Street No. which may change over the time should be in the link.
>

What you need is place names and postal codes with date ranges. They
should be part of the main place record, not the link.

At the moment, you can add multiple place names, but cannot specify a
date range for them.  Only one postal code is allowed in the code field.

We can add some functionality in the next major release.

Nick.




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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:54:47 +0000
From: "Robert Hongulus" <hongulus <at> eclipso.at>
Subject: [Gramps-users] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Gramps 4.1.1 - need
        more    place formation in database
To: <gramps-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net>
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--- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht ---
Von: Nick Hall <nick-h <at> gramps-project.org>
Datum: 13.12.2014 23:03:20
An: gramps-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net
Betreff: Re: [Gramps-users] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Gramps 4.1.1 - need more place  formation in database

> On 13/12/14 21:44, Robert Hongulus wrote:
> > Thanks, but I need a field for Values and not a type definition. I'm
> not familar with GEDCOM so I had a look on a 5.5L description.  I think my
> Issue is not covered by GEDCOM.
> >
> > For me the GEDCOM definition for Place is not consistent. From the address
> the use just the Postal Code (old, new), why? By using a place structure
> with Date Information in the link, values from the Address information like
> Postal Code or Street No. which may change over the time should be in the
> link.
> >
>
> What you need is place names and postal codes with date ranges. They
> should be part of the main place record, not the link.
>
> At the moment, you can add multiple place names, but cannot specify a
> date range for them.  Only one postal code is allowed in the code field.
>
>
> We can add some functionality in the next major release.
>
> Nick.
>

Thanks for your effort, but

Excample links for the place "Mill A"
District A, Community A, Hamlet A, Mill A (Street A + No. x); with data xxxx-xx-xx - yyyy-yy-yy; citation NN
District A, Community B, Hamlet A, Mill A (Street A + No. y); with date yyyy-yy-yy - zzzz-zz-zz; citation MM

Now I ignore the Street + No and generate the link structure with date. Additional information like the citation and the Street No I have to but into the main place record with the same date information. With little database experience this sounds like redundant information.

As long as GEDCOM will not add attributes and citation to links I will not get a solution?

Robert

s
>





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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:44:18 -0500
From: Barb Yantha <byantha <at> gmail.com>
Subject: [Gramps-users] Help!
To: "gramps-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net"
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>> I tried to load my database this morning and I get an error. I can?t open it, I can?t back it up.how  do I get help? Last time I had it open (a week ago) I was merging duplicate individuals from a file import.
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 19:02:25 +0000
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Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Gramps 4.1.1 -
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On 14/12/14 08:54, Robert Hongulus wrote:
> hanks for your effort, but
>
> Excample links for the place "Mill A"
> District A, Community A, Hamlet A, Mill A (Street A + No. x); with data xxxx-xx-xx - yyyy-yy-yy; citation NN
> District A, Community B, Hamlet A, Mill A (Street A + No. y); with date yyyy-yy-yy - zzzz-zz-zz; citation MM
>
> Now I ignore the Street + No and generate the link structure with date. Additional information like the citation and the Street No I have to but into the main place record with the same date information. With little database experience this sounds like redundant information.
>
> As long as GEDCOM will not add attributes and citation to links I will not get a solution?

Standard Gedcom only allows for simple place definitions.  Have a look
at Gedcom-L for newer standards in this area:

http://wiki-en.genealogy.net/GEDCOM/PLAC-Tag#Location_Records
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/GEDCOM/PLAC-Tag

You could introduce extra levels in the place hierarchy for "street" and
"number".  I think that I would just record the number change as a note.

With date dependent place names, you could have a place that changes
names over time.  However, I haven't decided to add this functionality
yet.  I'll ask for feedback from users and other developers first.

Some ideas for v4.2 include:

1. Add a date range, language code and citations to place names.
2. Allow multiple place types with a date range and citations.
3. Add a type and citations to the place reference (link between places).

I'm already working on an updated place reference editor and place filter.


Nick.




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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 19:05:28 +0000
From: Nick Hall <nick-h <at> gramps-project.org>
Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Help!
To: gramps-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net
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On 14/12/14 18:44, Barb Yantha wrote:
> I tried to load my database this morning and I get an error. I can?t
> open it, I can?t back it up.how  do I get help? Last time I had it
> open (a week ago) I was merging duplicate individuals from a file import.

What error are you getting?  What version of Gramps are you using? What
operating system are you using?

I suggest that you make a file-level backup of your database directory
before doing anything else.

Nick.

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From: Nicholas Robinson <npr <at> bottlehall.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Help!
To: Barb Yantha <byantha <at> gmail.com>
Cc: "gramps-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net"
        <gramps-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net>
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Hi

Can you paste a copy of the error?

Nick

> On 14 Dec 2014, at 18:44, Barb Yantha <byantha <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I tried to load my database this morning and I get an error. I can?t open it, I can?t back it up.how  do I get help? Last time I had it open (a week ago) I was merging duplicate individuals from a file import.
>>
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Ron Johnson | 14 Dec 23:43 2014
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Re: Help!

Or is she using Windows? Someone will have to show her how to do that using 
Explorer.

On 12/14/2014 02:16 PM, Nick Hall wrote:
> Just take a copy of your ~/.gramps/grampsdb directory using a file manager.
>
> Nick.
>
>
> On 14/12/14 20:07, Barb Yantha wrote:
>> I don't know what a "file-level backup" is.
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 2:06 PM, gramps-users-request <at> lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
>>>
>>> I suggest that you make a file-level backup of your database directory
>>> before doing anything else.

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Re: Gramps-users Digest, Vol 103, Issue 23

I don't know what a "file-level backup" is.

> On Dec 14, 2014, at 2:06 PM, gramps-users-request <at> lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
> 
> I suggest that you make a file-level backup of your database directory 
> before doing anything else.

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Help!



I tried to load my database this morning and I get an error. I can’t open it, I can’t back it up.how  do I get help? Last time I had it open (a week ago) I was merging duplicate individuals from a file import.

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Gramps with two monitors.

I am using GRAMPS: 4.1.1-86bfff, Python: 2.7.6 on Windows 7 with two monitors.

 

I usually have Gramps on the main monitor and my research material open on the second screen.

 

My problem is that any Gramps drop-down options are displayed on the second monitor which is very inconvenient as I then have to move the mouse from, possibly the far side of, the main monitor to the second and back again after selecting the option. That is bad enough even more annoying if the second monitor is not turned on if I am just editing something within Gramps.

 

It is also a problem if I highlight some research data then right click and choose copy, then move to a note within Gramps – if I right-click the mouse to get the Paste option again this opens on the second monitor so I have to try and remember to Ctrl+V evertime.

 

I hope someone can rectify this annoyance.

 

Regards

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familylines_graph report with Id's

Hello,
for several reasons I heavily use the familylines_graph report.
To ease my life as database maintainer I'd like to add the person and 
family Id's to the graph like already available in the rel_graph report.
Is there a way to do it right now in either version 3.4.8 or 4.1.1 by 
changing some settings or do I've to wait for this as a possible new 
feature?
Thanks in advance.

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Gramps 4.x: How to start correctly the Windows GUI

Hello,
as "normal" Windows user without Phyton knowledge I'm confused by the 
changes from 3.x to 4.x how to start Gramps.

Version 3.x provides the gramps.cmd and gramps-gui.cmd files, which I 
use to change the language settings.
After a few DOS commands either python.exe or phytonw.exe with some 
predefined parameters and those added to the CMD file are executed.
      python.exe -EO ..\share\gramps\gramps.py %*
      start pythonw.exe -EO ..\share\gramps\gramps.py %*
The default desktop icons contain
      "C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64\bin\python.exe" -EO 
..\share\gramps\gramps.py
      "C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64\bin\pythonw.exe" -EO 
..\share\gramps\gramps.py

Now in version 4.1.1 the default desktop icon run the commands
      "C:\Program Files (x86)\GrampsAIO-4.1.1\bin\gramps.exe"
      "C:\Program Files (x86)\GrampsAIO-4.1.1\bin\grampsw.exe"
without any parameters.

So what's the purpose of gramps.exe and grampsw.exe?
What are the differences copmared to the command
      "C:\Program Files\GrampsAIO64\bin\pythonw.exe" -EO 
..\share\gramps\gramps.py
How and when should I use these new EXE files?
So one part is to start the interactive session normally without 
parameters and the other task is to call gramps with many command-line 
options and parameters in batch files to create reports and backups.
Thanks in advance.

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Kind regards,
Willy

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