Ron Johnson | 25 Oct 20:17 2014
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Re: Sibling order problem with Graph View

On 10/25/2014 10:56 AM, Q wrote:
On 25/10/14 16:31, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 10/25/2014 10:03 AM, Q wrote:
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Sorry, I was forgetting that there's no default ordering and that oldest-to-newest is just the way that I've chosen to order them. This doesn't alter the fact that Graph View is showing them in the wrong order. I've ordered these siblings in decreasing age order (so on the Relationships screen/Family window for this group they show in the correct order, oldest is number 1 at the top of the list, youngest at the bottom as number 10), but Graph View is showing them in a completely different order.

What exactly do you mean by "Graph View"?

The plugin that is listed in the wiki as Graph View (https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Graph_View), whose tooltip on its icon on the Toolbar shows Graph View.

Ah.  (I've configured mine for small icons, thus I don't see the label Graph View.  Also, my Navigator Pane says Charts instead of Ancestors.)

The problem is that Graphviz does not AFAICT understand "order".
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Ron Johnson | 25 Oct 17:31 2014
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Re: Sibling order problem with Graph View

On 10/25/2014 10:03 AM, Q wrote:
On 25/10/14 13:30, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 10/25/2014 04:04 AM, Q wrote:
Hi I am experiencing a problem with Graph View not showing siblings in the correct order (oldest to youngest, left to right).
When you open up a Family window, in the Children tab, there are Up and Down arrows which let you force individuals in the order you desire. (Gramps doesn't automatically put them in Birth Date order.)
Sorry, I was forgetting that there's no default ordering and that oldest-to-newest is just the way that I've chosen to order them. This doesn't alter the fact that Graph View is showing them in the wrong order. I've ordered these siblings in decreasing age order (so on the Relationships screen/Family window for this group they show in the correct order, oldest is number 1 at the top of the list, youngest at the bottom as number 10), but Graph View is showing them in a completely different order.

What exactly do you mean by "Graph View"?

In v3.x and v4.0.x, there is Charts section of the Navigator bar (which displays people in what mathematicians call a "graph"), and then completely separate are Reports->Graphs which creates documents which are then viewed by external programs like Adobe Reader.

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Ron Johnson | 25 Oct 14:30 2014
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Re: Sibling order problem with Graph View

On 10/25/2014 04:04 AM, Q wrote:
> Hi
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> I am experiencing a problem with Graph View not showing siblings in the
> correct order (oldest to youngest, left to right).

When you open up a Family window, in the Children tab, there are Up and Down 
arrows which let you force individuals in the order you desire.  (Gramps 
doesn't automatically put them in Birth Date order.)

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pelm | 25 Oct 13:38 2014
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Python2 or python3

Hi there!
I'm about to upgrade, or try the new Gramps 4.1 now that it has reached
4.1.1. I am a little confused though about the two python versions of the
debs. Which is the best to use, the python2 or 3 version? I'm on a Ubuntu
14.04 stock system. 

Regards

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Q | 25 Oct 11:04 2014
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Sibling order problem with Graph View

Hi

I am experiencing a problem with Graph View not showing siblings in the 
correct order (oldest to youngest, left to right).

Some time ago I started working with my father's data that I'd imported 
in GEDcom format and everything displayed correctly -- it's the kind of 
thing you notice when people are in the wrong order and the lines aren't 
neat!

More recently, I started merging his four trees (for my grandparents' 
families), which was when it messed up the order of my father and his 
siblings. It also messed up the order of my generation with my cousins 
appearing in the wrong order and the lines becoming a real mess, with 
siblings spread out, intermingled with cousins, and far removed from 
their parents.

I decided to start from scratch to save having to de-dupe the 
information and allowing me to easily see as I went along which people 
I'd edited and added new information for. However, even in the tree I've 
created from scratch, the same issue occurs with some generations, the 
same ones being affected.

I have found that if I change the order by demoting my father from being 
the eldest, Graph View rights itself, showing his generation in the 
"correct" order and my generation in the correct order, with each set of 
children neatly under the correct parents. Moving him back (or the 
second oldest back down) and everything goes haywire. It's only swapping 
the oldest two that corrects things, altering the order of any of the 
other siblings has no effect.

It does happen with other generations elsewhere in the tree, but it 
causes most problems with my father and his siblings due to the number 
of people affected.

Is there any way to resolve this problem?

I'm using 4.1.0-1 on Linux (I recently updated to this version see 
whether that would fix the problem but it didn't).

Many thanks

Q

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Ron Johnson | 25 Oct 09:43 2014
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Re: Looking for some advice starting a Gramps Tree from scratch vs importing data

Quite substantial, eh?  How much do you trust that you've pruned the inaccurate data?

Instead of retyping everything, you could import the Ancestry.com data into a tree and tag them all "Un-validated".  As you validate them, tag them "Validated".  That way, you can separately filter the two groups.

On 10/24/2014 08:30 PM, Thomas Malsbury wrote:
Thanks Phil.

That is the main point of validation that I am hoping to get out of this undertaking, proper citations. I just wanted a sanity check that I was not making a large task even harder before I got in to deep.

The light at the end of this project, it that by moving the data to Gramps, it will be fully my work and I will have control over its care and storage from this point forward.

-Thomas



On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Philip Weiss <weiss.philip+gramps <at> gmail.com> wrote:
The time consuming part of all of that is re-validating the information.  I'm doing that at the moment, and I started from a blank database and am adding people as I validate things.  The benefit of that is that I can take the time to cite my sources correctly (as I define it) rather than use the crappy citations I used to have.

Phil.


On Fri Oct 24 2014 at 6:14:14 PM Thomas Malsbury <malsbury <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all - 

Let me give you a little information about my current situation, and see if anyone has some advice on the best way to move forward.

I started working on my family genealogy when I was a teenager. I interviewed all four of my grandparents, I had most of my living relatives at the time fill out information sheets with there info and information about their families, I took notes out of an old family bible that had been handed down through my paternal grandfather's family. I organized it all in three ring binders, and eventually went off to college. While I was in college, my parents moved and all the contents of my childhood bedroom were packed up and placed in the attic of their new house.

Fast forward 20 years and my parents sold that house and told me if I wanted any of my old stuff to come and get it. In going through all the boxes I came across all my old notes and binders. A few months ago, I decided it was time to try to organize all the information I had, and took Ancestry.com up on their two week free trial. It was a quick way to organize all the people I knew about and I ended up finding supporting documents for most of the people and relationships I already knew about and was able to expand many branches beyond what I had.  

I now have quite a substantial tree on Ancestry, but I don't 100% trust it. Very early on, I put a little to much faith in the suggested connections found in other users trees. I have worked my way through and removed most of the questionable connections as I found information that contradicted them. 

I was planning to start a new empty Gramps database and manually move my information over, person by person, using that step basically as an audit of the information. Making sure each person was truly connected to the generation on each side of them, and that I had documentation to support that finding. I began this step today, but now I'm wondering if I am making this process more difficult that it needs to be. 

Would it make more sense to import the entire GEDcom into Gramps that I can download from Ancestry, and then clean up and audit the information one family at a time, then export each family group to another Gramps database. My goal is to have a single database that I have verified each person that is in it. 

Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 

-Thomas Malsbury

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Thomas Malsbury | 25 Oct 03:11 2014
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Looking for some advice starting a Gramps Tree from scratch vs importing data

Hello all - 

Let me give you a little information about my current situation, and see if anyone has some advice on the best way to move forward.

I started working on my family genealogy when I was a teenager. I interviewed all four of my grandparents, I had most of my living relatives at the time fill out information sheets with there info and information about their families, I took notes out of an old family bible that had been handed down through my paternal grandfather's family. I organized it all in three ring binders, and eventually went off to college. While I was in college, my parents moved and all the contents of my childhood bedroom were packed up and placed in the attic of their new house.

Fast forward 20 years and my parents sold that house and told me if I wanted any of my old stuff to come and get it. In going through all the boxes I came across all my old notes and binders. A few months ago, I decided it was time to try to organize all the information I had, and took Ancestry.com up on their two week free trial. It was a quick way to organize all the people I knew about and I ended up finding supporting documents for most of the people and relationships I already knew about and was able to expand many branches beyond what I had.  

I now have quite a substantial tree on Ancestry, but I don't 100% trust it. Very early on, I put a little to much faith in the suggested connections found in other users trees. I have worked my way through and removed most of the questionable connections as I found information that contradicted them. 

I was planning to start a new empty Gramps database and manually move my information over, person by person, using that step basically as an audit of the information. Making sure each person was truly connected to the generation on each side of them, and that I had documentation to support that finding. I began this step today, but now I'm wondering if I am making this process more difficult that it needs to be. 

Would it make more sense to import the entire GEDcom into Gramps that I can download from Ancestry, and then clean up and audit the information one family at a time, then export each family group to another Gramps database. My goal is to have a single database that I have verified each person that is in it. 

Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 

-Thomas Malsbury
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Jerome | 24 Oct 19:17 2014
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Gramps 4.1.1 released

The Gramps team releases version 4.1.1, the 
“MachineThatGoes…Ping!“.

Changes since 4.1.0:

* Fix custom place types in the place editor
* Allow place type combobox to receive focus.
* Store custom place types in the metadata table
* Fix place type for places without a main location
* Fix bug adding parent places to a new place
* Prevent user creating a cycle in the place hierarchy
* Avoid infinite loop when place cycle encountered
* Prevent creation of a place cycle when merging
* Fix error when no place is selected
* Check that a place has been selected when saving.
* Use the standard place selection widget to be consistent.
* Add a new Top Level place through the Place Reference Editor
* Fix backlinks code in place report
* Backlinks for places can now also be places as well as events.
* Fix check and repair tool for empty placerefs
* Update location utilities to work with proxies
* Place report does not run
* Update place details gramplet
* Add Place name, type and alternative names.
* Locations are now displayed in a new separate gramplet.
* Add check for empty handle in gramplets
* Check DB lock on the recent opened trees list
* Sidebarfilter gramplet does not fit well into People, Events or Media 
views
* Fix new event default type considering existing events with "default" 
role
* Rebuild secondary indexes after database upgrade
* Importing gedcom files containing multibyte UTF-8 characters fails
* Ahnentafel Report did not use Christening Date if no Birth Date
* [Narweb:] Missing webpage for media under some circumstances
* Fix narrated web report with gendex option enabled
* Tweak to “default” CSS choice for the narrated web report
* Invalid link for Merge citation Help button
* Fix ‘todo’ gramplet
* Fix path when using drag & drop to add media
* Limit the number of generations displayed in the ancestor gramplet
* Export of a subset of the tree failed
* Fix issues in python3, and bytes-string mismatch with ICU
* Fix url/uri handling with non-ascii characters under linux and mac
* Fix name format on graphical reports
* Fix name format on textual reports
* Better GUI support for embeded custom attributes list on media object
* Better keys for search under linux shells (.desktop file)
* ‘Unknown’ person in detailed ancestor report can not be translated
* Translations don’t show in many labels
* Ensure python text domain gets the right encoding.
* Translate some punctuation marks
* Various fixes around Geography and osmgpsmap
* Allow gramplets to be displayed in the dashboard only
* Update FSF address
* Add Arabic-script, Islamic-date, Thai script, Married Name and more 
dates examples
* Fix on czech date handler for calculated and estimated dates
* Enhance Serbian date handler to handle Cyrillic dates
* Simplify Canadian Ash Wednesday holiday
* Re-enable Esperanto support (for non-Windows OS only) after a large 
review
* New translation: Serbian
* Various fixes in German and Czech
* Updated translations: ar, cs, de, fi, fr, it, sv

You can get Gramps 4.1.1 from the download page.

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wakou | 24 Oct 01:40 2014

test can you see this/

I seem to have been kicked from the list. I get the messages and digests, but
can't post. Or can I? I am posting this from Nabble. I am logged in.

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Ession | 23 Oct 20:22 2014

Missing family node in relationship graph

Hi,
I have in my tree a pair of siblings marrying another pair of siblings. 
I don't have the parents for one of the pairs, so now when I export the tree
as a relationship graph the two siblings do not get a family node. 
They are however in a family in the database.
Is there something I can do on my end (besides editing the gv file myself
after exporting it) or is this something that needs to be added to the
bugtracker?

Here's a little bit of my tree to show what I mean.
http://i.imgur.com/sJ1Enhu.jpg

Thanks in advance!

Mathias Jost

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Nicholas Robinson | 21 Oct 23:09 2014
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Instructions on how to install Census Gramplet

Hi

I have failed to find instructions on how to install the Census Gramplet - editor and report bits.

Would someone be kind enough to point me in the right direction, please?

Thanks

Nick
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