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Ben Laenen | 2 Mar 2008 19:41
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Next release

Hi all,

as you might have noticed, we originally planned a release today, but 
due to some misinterpreting of my calendar, I thought I still had a 
week to go (really, February is way too confusing :-p).

So, we'll just move the release one week then to Sunday 9 March.

SVN will therefore be frozen on Tuesday 4th, at around 20h UTC.

Greetings
Ben

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Ben Laenen | 4 Mar 2008 21:22
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SVN frozen, RC period started


Hi all,

SVN is now frozen for release, and we're entering our release candidate 
period.

The next 2.24 release is scheduled for next Sunday (or perhaps Saturday, 
depends on whether there'll be time to make the release).

As usual, only fixes can get in during the freeze, after discussion on 
the mailing list or on IRC.

Download the latest snapshots at 
http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/snapshots/ to check the fonts for errors.

Greetings
Ben

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Denis Jacquerye | 10 Mar 2008 01:09
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DejaVu fonts 2.24 released

Hi everyone,

DejaVu Fonts 2.24 has been released.

The files can be downloaded from
http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Download

This release of DejaVu fonts includes bug fixes, new TrueType hinting
instructions for many characters, and some other improvements.

The full list of changes is available at
http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/News
The PDF samples will be updated tomorrow if possible.

The next release is scheduled for April 14.

SVN is open again, patches can be commited.

Cheers,

Denis Moyogo Jacquerye

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Felix Miata | 10 Mar 2008 16:56
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condensed duplication

Can someone explain why both separate font files and families for condensed
exist while at the same time the normal files and families also include
condensed styles? I believe this may be causing problems in KDE and Gecko, as
you can see in this SUSE bug. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658
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Denis Jacquerye | 10 Mar 2008 17:17
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Re: condensed duplication

On 10/03/2008, Felix Miata <mrmazda@...> wrote:
> Can someone explain why both separate font files and families for condensed
>  exist while at the same time the normal files and families also include
>  condensed styles? I believe this may be causing problems in KDE and Gecko, as
>  you can see in this SUSE bug. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330658

I'm not sure I understand your question but I'll take a guess.
OpenType fonts can have legacy family names, these are limited to 4
style variants.
We have two legacy family per DejaVu Serif or Sans, the normal
font-stretch and Condensed, each with Book, Bold, Oblique/Italics,
Bold Oblique/Italics.
OT fonts can also have preferred family names with preferred style
variant (or subfamily).
We have DejaVu Sans or Serif, all the font-stretch, font-weight or
slant variants are just styles (or subfamilies) of that single larger
family.

Legacy apps can only handle legacy names with 4 variants, i.e., they
should show two different font families like DejaVu Sans and DejaVu
Sans Condensed.
Apps with more recent support of OpenType will support preferred
names, i.e., they should show only one font family like DejaVu Sans
(with Condensed as a variant just like Bold).
Bugs appear when an app mixes both legacy and preferred. This is the
case in KDE or Gecko apparently.

See Name IDs in http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/name.htm
namely Name ID 1 and 2 for legacy names, and Name ID 16 and 17 for
preferred names. There are examples at
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Ben Laenen | 10 Mar 2008 17:31
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Re: condensed duplication

On Monday 10 March 2008, Denis Jacquerye wrote:
> Legacy apps can only handle legacy names with 4 variants, i.e., they
> should show two different font families like DejaVu Sans and DejaVu
> Sans Condensed.
> Apps with more recent support of OpenType will support preferred
> names, i.e., they should show only one font family like DejaVu Sans
> (with Condensed as a variant just like Bold).
> Bugs appear when an app mixes both legacy and preferred. This is the
> case in KDE or Gecko apparently.

To be more specific: KDE uses Fontconfig for font management and 
Fontconfig handles the preferred names. Since KDE can't tell fontconfig 
to ignore preferred families because KDE can't handle it well, it has 
no choice to accept whatever Fontconfig gives it (which is the 
preferred names), so you end up not being able to select condensed 
fonts in KDE.

Greetings
Ben

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Felix Miata | 11 Mar 2008 00:43
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condensed, again

Is there some sort of mission statement that defines why particular family
names and characteristics are as they are?

1-It seems Sans is designed to substitute for the very large x-height
Verdana, while Serif is much larger for any given size than any other common
web font, such as Georgia. Shouldn't Serif be smaller in apparent size than
Vera Serif was, a little closer in apparent size to Georgia so that it could
be a more natural substitute?

2-Condensed seems very little narrower at many sizes than Book. e.g., Sans
Condensed is in many px sizes significantly larger than Liberation Sans,
scalable Helvetica, and Arial. Condensed size is listed as 87. Why is that?
Wouldn't a meaningfully narrower 75 make more sense, more like Nimbus Sans L
and other narrow and/or condensed fonts are? IOW, a 13% reduction from
standard doesn't seem very condensed. Should condensed be narrowed to 75, or
maybe an extra condensed added at 75?

testcase of several narrow/condensed fonts for comparison in web browsers:
http://mrm.no-ip.com/auth/Font/fonts-comps-75s.html
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Stepan Roh | 11 Mar 2008 10:29
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Problems reported by snapshot generator

tmp/DejaVuSansCondensed-BoldOblique.sfd.norm: [0] combining mark with non-zero width: uni0344 836
U+0344: width=921
1 problems of type "[0] combining mark with non-zero width"

Have a nice day.

Stepan Roh

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Ben Laenen | 11 Mar 2008 12:54
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Re: condensed, again

On Tuesday 11 March 2008, Felix Miata wrote:
> Is there some sort of mission statement that defines why particular
> family names and characteristics are as they are?
>
> 1-It seems Sans is designed to substitute for the very large x-height
> Verdana, while Serif is much larger for any given size than any other
> common web font, such as Georgia. Shouldn't Serif be smaller in
> apparent size than Vera Serif was, a little closer in apparent size
> to Georgia so that it could be a more natural substitute?

I don't think Vera was designed to be a substitute for anything. It was 
designed as a good screen font, readable at small sizes (okay, so was 
Georgia) and Serif is just the serif counterpart of Sans, and its 
metrics are quite similar to it.

But we took never part in the design process of Vera, so I guess it's 
better to ask the designer instead of us. We're just the Vera 
forkers :-)

> 2-Condensed seems very little narrower at many sizes than Book. e.g.,
> Sans Condensed is in many px sizes significantly larger than
> Liberation Sans, scalable Helvetica, and Arial. Condensed size is
> listed as 87. Why is that? Wouldn't a meaningfully narrower 75 make
> more sense, more like Nimbus Sans L and other narrow and/or condensed
> fonts are? IOW, a 13% reduction from standard doesn't seem very
> condensed. Should condensed be narrowed to 75, or maybe an extra
> condensed added at 75?

We create our condensed fonts automagically, and that means it's not 
really up to par with doing this work manually (which would basically
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Felix Miata | 11 Mar 2008 19:31
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Re: condensed, again

Just in case no one has looked, condensed really looks bad with Cleartype. On
WinXP and 1600x1200 on 18" Dell Trinitron CRT I have standard font smoothing
for the desktop, but Cleartype for IE7. The largest sizes on
http://mrm.no-ip.com/auth/Font/fonts-comps-narr-plus.html in IE look pretty
bad compared to regular 100 width, much worse than both in Opera and Gecko
using whatever standard doz font smoothing is.
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