John Karp | 1 Mar 2007 02:31
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Patch: Misc. Technical: Hexagon-likes and 'flatness'

Hello,

Attached is a patch for adding three hexagon-like glyphs to Sans
(benzene rings and 'software function'). They were based on
pre-existing hexagons in Sans as well as the Unicode reference tables.
Also, 'flatness' was created as a reference to 'parallelogram'.

-John
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Keenan Pepper | 1 Mar 2007 02:50
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Re: "Oblique" is Italic?

On 2/28/07, miki <hyggr060@...> wrote:
> "Oblique" is Italic?

Oblique is not exactly italic, but close enough that most people don't
care to distinguish. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblique_type .

Keenan

miki | 1 Mar 2007 03:13
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Japanese font...

I am a Japanese.
Dejavu fonts is unicode, but they don't include Japanese font...
Please include Japanese fonts...

John Karp | 1 Mar 2007 05:46
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Patch: Misc. Technical: Quine and crop corners

Hi,

This patch adds Quine corners and cropping marks to Sans. Based on the
Unicode charts.

This also resolves:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9547

-John
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Keenan Pepper | 1 Mar 2007 07:07
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Re: Japanese font...

On 2/28/07, miki <hyggr060@...> wrote:
> I am a Japanese.
> Dejavu fonts is unicode, but they don't include Japanese font...
> Please include Japanese fonts...

Heh, does this mean you're offering to draw the thousands of glyphs?

Even if we did begin work on Japanese support (quite unlikely for
now), I think more people would be annoyed than pleased, because it
wouldn't be very good at first, and on systems where DejaVu is the
default font, it would prevent better fonts from being used to display
Japanese (without custom configuration).

Try Kochi or Sazanami: http://sourceforge.jp/projects/efont/

Keenan

Keenan Pepper | 1 Mar 2007 07:15
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Re: Japanese font...

Just to clarify: DejaVu is not intended to be a collection of
different fonts; it is intended to be a single font family with a
consistent style across all included scripts. That's why we can't just
take an existing font like Kochi or Sazanami and integrate it.

Keenan

Nicolas Mailhot | 1 Mar 2007 09:28
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Re: Japanese font...


Le Jeu 1 mars 2007 03:13, miki a écrit :
> I am a Japanese.
> Dejavu fonts is unicode, but they don't include Japanese font...
> Please include Japanese fonts...

DejaVu will include japanese glyphs when a glyph designer decides to
contribute them to the project (same way armenian, lao, etc happened).
Dejavu tries to do a good quality font - that means it does not coble
together glyphs of various origin and quality to achieve the widest
unicode coverage, but only merges stuff that is up to the quality level of
current glyphs.

OTOH unlike other font projects DejaVu is not limited to any particular
region of the world. Any submission up to the font standards will be
merged, even if it covers unicode blocks totally different from the ones
currently worked on.

One first step is to open an entry in DejaVu bugzilla to register your
interest in japanese glyphs (to be honest we know people would like
japanese but it's an awful lot of glyphs so just opening an entry is not
likely to lead to quick japanese support)

What could lead to quick japanese support is if you could ask some
japanese designers to contribute to the project (we do prefer
internationnal glyphs to be done by local people that know local
style/typographical conventions). They do not need to be professionnal
designers BTW - dejavu tooling is 100% FLOSS and available in major
distribution so anyone with some art sense and free time can contribute
new glyphs (art/CS students, etc). Some of the major DejaVu contributors
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Denis Jacquerye | 1 Mar 2007 10:47
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Re: Patch: Misc. Technical: Hexagon-likes and 'flatness'

On 3/1/07, John Karp <johnkarp@...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Attached is a patch for adding three hexagon-like glyphs to Sans
> (benzene rings and 'software function'). They were based on
> pre-existing hexagons in Sans as well as the Unicode reference tables.
> Also, 'flatness' was created as a reference to 'parallelogram'.
>
> -John

Hi John,

The patch looks good. I just have two questions/requests:
Shouldn't hexagons in U+232C, U+23e3 be as thick as U+2394 and U+2B21?
I'd also prefer bolder glyphs in Bold fonts. I personally think it
makes more sense than having the exact same glyphs for symbols in all
font variants.

Cheers,

Denis Moyogo Jacquerye

Benct Philip Jonsson | 1 Mar 2007 14:00
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Re: "Oblique" is Italic?

Keenan Pepper skrev:
> On 2/28/07, miki <hyggr060@...> wrote:
>> "Oblique" is Italic?
> 
> Oblique is not exactly italic, but close enough that most people don't
> care to distinguish. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblique_type .
> 

But the DejaVu 'oblique' letter-shapes *are* different from
the roman, so typographically they are italic.  Most importantly
the DV 'oblique' a is one-storey, but also the serifs are
different.  That the DV roman g is not goggle-style is not
decisive in this matter.
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Ben Laenen | 1 Mar 2007 16:36
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Re: "Oblique" is Italic?


Hi,

On Thursday 01 March 2007, Benct Philip Jonsson wrote:
> But the DejaVu 'oblique' letter-shapes *are* different from
> the roman, so typographically they are italic.  Most importantly
> the DV 'oblique' a is one-storey, but also the serifs are
> different.  That the DV roman g is not goggle-style is not
> decisive in this matter.

Well, the lettershapes are the same for Sans and Mono. Only Serif has 
real italic glyphs, but it's called Oblique because that hasn't always 
been the case. First versions of Serif Oblique didn't have special 
glyphs. As the project went on some letters were changed.

If people agree that we should call our Serif "Italic" instead 
of "Oblique", we could do that easily. I don't think it would break 
documents that use the font.

greetings
Ben


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