Michael Richardson | 1 Feb 2010 01:12
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Re: [Ledger-smb-users] Email Format Poll for the list


>>>>> "David" == David Godfrey <lsmbdev@...> writes:
    David>    Hi Everyone, The reason for this poll is below (for those
    David> that are interested) I would like to know how many people a)
    David> are happy to receive html b) prefer plain text c) require
    David> plain text At the end of the week (Friday GMT+8) I will post

Generally, I won't read your email in HTML.

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Gerald Chudyk | 1 Feb 2010 18:16
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Re: [Ledger-smb-users] Email Format Poll for the list

html bad. Plain text good.

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turtle | 1 Feb 2010 18:41
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Re: Printing PDF to screen bug

> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:40 PM, <turtle@...> wrote:
>
>> > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 2:01 PM, <turtle@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I encounter a bug when printing PDF to screen on an updated existing
>> >> order
>> >> (quote or invoice as well)
>> >> I get a data stream of what looks like PDF binary data.
>> >> To reproduce go to an order, select print pdf to screen.
>> >> Will print fine every time.
>> >>
>> >> Next go to the same order anew and add an item update and print pdf
>> to
>> >> screen.
>> >>
>> >
>> > What exactly are you seeing?  And which browser are you running?
>> >
>> > Best Wishes,
>> > Chris Travers
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I have encountered this since sql-ledger days and now am running a
>> >> modded
>> >> version of 1.2.18
>> >>
>> >> Any ideas on this?
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >>
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Ian Goodacre | 2 Feb 2010 06:42
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Re: Creating database and users in 1.3

Hi Chris,

Thanks for looking at the patches I submitted. In response to your query
about patches 0005 and 0006, I have revised the patches to break the
changes out into smaller parts and tried to provide more informative
comments. Along the way I found and fixed a few more problems.

The revised patch set, covering about the same scope as the originals,
is now a series of 27 patches. My questions are: are you interested? and
How should I submit these? In total the patches are about 132kb.

FWIW, here is the list of patches:
0001-Update-Create-A-Company-User-instructions.patch
0002-Add-.gitignore.patch
0003-Grant-execute-rights-to-everyone-on-initiate.pl.patch
0004-Add-Log-Log4perl-based-logging.patch
0005-Add-debug-logging.patch
0006-Clarify-requirement-to-install-PostgreSQL-contrib-co.patch
0007-Remove-extraneous-tr-from-initiate-form-header.patch
0008-Change-initiate.pl-authentication.patch
0009-Change-the-test-for-existing-database-in-validatefor.patch
0010-Connect-to-database-before-calling-create_database.patch
0011-Changed-run_db_file-to-connect-to-the-database-succe.patch
0012-Fixed-merge_chart_gifi_valid_exist.patch
0013-Change-process_roles-database-connections-and-admin-.patch
0014-Create-admin-user-role-in-create_database.patch
0015-Remove-unused-form-newdbh.patch
0016-Change-handle_create_language-to-use-form-dbh.patch
0017-Load-languages.patch
0018-Change-run_all_sql_scripts-to-run_scripts_as_admin_u.patch
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Schmiechen | 2 Feb 2010 21:10
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Re: Printing PDF to screen bug

After poking around bugs.kde.org I have found this bug:

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205088

And the link in this comment:

http://www.pietzowski.de/pdf/   (optional append index.php)
User: user
Pass: pass

Reproduces the PDF problem in Konqueror.
If anyone else is using konqueror I would be interested if they also get the 
same problem.
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Chris Travers | 2 Feb 2010 20:41
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Re: Printing PDF to screen bug



On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Schmiechen <turtle-16DslRxB7FRCUcnqO4TvNdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
After poking around bugs.kde.org I have found this bug:

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205088

And the link in this comment:

http://www.pietzowski.de/pdf/   (optional append index.php)
User: user
Pass: pass

Reproduces the PDF problem in Konqueror.
If anyone else is using konqueror I would be interested if they also get the
same problem.

Hmmm....  Might be worth documenting esp. on 1.3....

Best Wishes,
Chris Travers
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Schmiechen | 3 Feb 2010 07:58
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Re: Printing PDF to screen bug

According to other Gentoo users the bug is fixed in Konqueror 4.3.5 ( I am 
still in the dark ages running 4.3.3 )

Also tested OK in evince-2.28.2  okular-4.3.5 mozilla-firefox-3.6-r1

On Tuesday 02 February 2010 11:41:50 Chris Travers wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Schmiechen <turtle <at> think-
electric.com>wrote:
> > After poking around bugs.kde.org I have found this bug:
> >
> > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205088
> >
> > And the link in this comment:
> >
> > http://www.pietzowski.de/pdf/   (optional append index.php)
> > User: user
> > Pass: pass
> >
> > Reproduces the PDF problem in Konqueror.
> > If anyone else is using konqueror I would be interested if they also get
> > the
> > same problem.
> 
> Hmmm....  Might be worth documenting esp. on 1.3....
> 
> Best Wishes,
> Chris Travers
> 

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David Godfrey | 6 Feb 2010 02:16
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Re: Email Format Poll for the list

Ok So I am a day late,
I said I would get this sent on Friday, and plumb forgot!

The results on the poll were surprising considering the amount of HTML mail seen
on the list.
They were also disappointing, out of the entire subscriber base, there we only
16 responses.

2  Don't Care
2  Multi Part is fine
12 Prefer Text only

In some cases multipart or HTML won't be read or have increased likelyhood of
being scored as spam.

I will respond to Strollers excellent comments in a separate email.
Thank you to all who responded, many of you raised valid and interesting points.

Personally I am happy to send in Plain Text, although I consider the lack of
"flowed text" in most clients (including thunderbird) to be a major issue.

Since before I started this thread, my client has been set to send "plain text
only", I sent the original email in HTML to attract attention. It certainly
seems to have worked! :)

With regard to Multipart email, in general I don't like it, partly because of a
"feature" of thunderbird, and partly because the plain text version of a message
written in HTML will often be incorrectly formatted.
Thunderbird, and some other clients treat multipart sections as attachments
(including vcards that outlook often sends) and on recent releases consumes a
large chunk of screen displaying ICONS for each attached file (or mime part)
In the old days it was not so bad, the attachments were listed as text, and
often in a pane that was collapsed by default, sadly this is no longer the case.
I suppose I really should come up with a suggested solution and raise a bug :(

Once again thank you to all who participated, and may the list stay HTML free.

Regards
David Godfrey

David Godfrey wrote:
 > Hi Everyone,
 >
 > The reason for this poll is below (for those that are interested)
 >
 > I would like to know how many people
 >     a) are happy to receive html
 >     b) prefer plain text
 >     c) require plain text
 >
 > At the end of the week (Friday GMT+8) I will post the results
 >
 > Regards
 > David Godfrey
 >
 > =======
 >
 > Just recently I have had two people on the lists query me,
 > Asking if I intended to send email in HTML
 >
 > Well actually, yes, I guess I did.
 > Partly because most people have HTML capable browsers,
 > and long before I sent an email on the list I had noticed that many
 > contributors also sent in HTML.
 > This made me think it was not a problem.
 >
 > I understand why mutt users may not like HTML, in it's standard form
 > mutt displays the html source.
 > There are probably other clients that this is also a problem for.
 >
 > One problem with plain text and modern clients, is that text is wrapped
 > at the senders end.
 > Normally to something like 72characters.
 > This is a huge waste of screen space where you may easily have 160 to
 > 300 or more characters available on a modern screen.
 > Worse is when the sender has changed the default to something large,
 > then you often have to scroll left and right as well as up and down to
 > see the whole message.
 > HTML on the other hand allows for dynamic rewrapping of the text by the
 > receiving client.
 > The sentence before last was all one line.
 > Change the width of this window, it should rewrap the text dynamically.
 >
 > HTML also allows simple formatting changes (_/*like this*/_) that can
 > often assist with readability.
 >
 > Either way the poll will tell us what everyone prefers.
 >
 > Regards
 > David Godfrey
 >
 >
 >
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David F. Skoll | 6 Feb 2010 02:38
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OT: Email basices (was Re: Email Format Poll for the list)

David Godfrey wrote:

> Personally I am happy to send in Plain Text, although I consider the lack of
> "flowed text" in most clients (including thunderbird) to be a major issue.

Thunderbird supports flowed text very well.  Just make sure your
Content-Type: text/plain header has a "format=flowed" parameter.

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2646.txt

> Thunderbird, and some other clients treat multipart sections as attachments

Thunderbird gets it right if you have a Content-Disposition: inline
header.  Outlook gets it wrong no matter what... but you're wasting
your time if you're trying to please Outlook.

Regards,

David.

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David Godfrey | 6 Feb 2010 04:04
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Re: OT: Email basices (was Re: Email Format Poll for the list)

Hi David,

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I am aware that Thunderbird handles flowed text 
in HTML fine.
The reference to flowed text was when sending and receiving Plain Text email.
Thunderbird forces a hard wrap at compose time, this defaults to 72 characters.
While a received Plain Text email will dynamically wrap (or so I have observed)
it becomes almost pointless, when a sent email is hard wrapped.

Additional responses inline.

David F. Skoll wrote:
> David Godfrey wrote:
> 
>> Personally I am happy to send in Plain Text, although I consider the lack of
>> "flowed text" in most clients (including thunderbird) to be a major issue.
> 
> Thunderbird supports flowed text very well.  Just make sure your
> Content-Type: text/plain header has a "format=flowed" parameter.
> 
> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2646.txt
> 
>> Thunderbird, and some other clients treat multipart sections as attachments
> 
> Thunderbird gets it right if you have a Content-Disposition: inline
> header.  Outlook gets it wrong no matter what... but you're wasting
> your time if you're trying to please Outlook.

With regard to multipart sections appearing as attachments, are you saying that 
Thunderbird should not display them as attachments?
My experience, would suggest otherwise for some cases.
For example, Chris travers email today (05:17 gmt+8) titled
Re: [Ledger-smb-users] Working on a security best practices document
has a part 1.2 and a part 1.3, these are both plain text signatures in their own 
part of a multipart email, but they display as attachments, when really they 
should be inline.
BTW: these 2 signatures are actually the same ones that are shown at the bottom 
of all messages coming from the list.
This of course may be caused at the sending client, and in this case most likely 
is, as not all messages from the list are showing that way.

Sorry Chris, didn't mean to single you out here :)

Regards
David G

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