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Passive PROFITS | 1 Nov 2010 04:00
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Re: [gsc] MBS's; fraudulent misrep (at last)

This is plain wrong IMHO Patrick.  To call this 'gross negligence' is a travesty on the English language. 
These people knew EXACTLY what they were doing, exactly WHY they were doing it, and went ahead and did it
anyway.  This is not a description of gross negligence, but criminal conspiracy.  And there is only one
place thieves belong.

Best,

PP

--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Patrick Chkoreff <patrick@...> wrote:

> From: Patrick Chkoreff <patrick@...>
> Subject: Re: [gsc] MBS's; fraudulent misrep (at last)
> To: gold-silver-crypto@...
> Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 7:51 AM
> http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2010/10/the-mortgage-fiasco-in-simple-terms.html
> 
> 
> "Thing is, this isn't a paperwork error.  It's gross
> negligence, on the
> bank's part, that materially altered the relationship
> between you and
> the new owner of the loan.  Once the collateral was
> removed from the
> loan, it can't be reattached.  Your home's title can't
> be attached to a
> loan willy nilly and without your consent.  To do
> otherwise is theft,
> and that's exactly what every lawyer from here to Timbuktu
> will be arguing."
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Passive PROFITS | 1 Nov 2010 04:10
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Re: [gsc] MBS's; fraudulent misrep (at last)

Hi Patrick,

That would be my guess of Ray's comment ... The point being, there's so much fraud involved at every and each
stage, to break it all down would (will! ;)) require a good number of years.  My original comment (of a year
ago) was specifically about the sale of MBS to funds, etc.  Ray makes a valid point about fraudulent
conversion though, at the 'next stage' of the scam.

What was interesting in one of the articles just posted, was the first mention I've seen of the much bigger
underlying issue here; no one actually knows who owns any house bought or sold in America, in the past say
five or so years.  If you're sitting in a house you bought after foreclosure, just think about that for a
moment; your wealth could depend on whether or not you take appropriate action now, before the rest of the
country catches on. ;)  

A very, very large majority of American residential (and commercial?) property is now owned by ....  no one
knows (for sure), EVEN WITH THE PROPERTIES BOUGHT BEFORE THE COLLAPSE! ;) 

If I'd bought one of these properties, I'd be selling it pronto, for whatever I could get (just take the loss
and be happy).

Just because you thought you were getting good title, in law, does not mean you did or will get good title; not
if you cannot prove the person who sold the property to you actually owned it at the time they sold it.

It's a total mess, and no one has really grasped just how big a mess, quite yet, even many on this list.

Of course, the neither the banks, nor the government will be telling you any time soon.  My best guess is this
is the next 'bank bailout' in the pipeline; giving all the banks all good title to everything.

Best,

PP
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Passive PROFITS | 1 Nov 2010 04:26
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Re: [gsc] tidbit

Significant news indeed.

Empty supermarket shelves, coming to a country near you, soon. :(

Best,

PP

"The man who owns a slave, or lives by exploiting others, whether slave or not, is not himself a free man. He is
a man who must look over his shoulder all the time, in fear. True freedom lies in a deep concern for the
freedom of others, and if this is accepted it should make every man, out of pure selfishness, the ardent
devotee of the freedom of his neighbor." -Leonard Wibberly, 1776 - And All That (1975), p. 72.

--- On Wed, 10/20/10, pintle <pintle@...> wrote:

> From: pintle <pintle@...>
> Subject: [gsc] tidbit
> To: gold-silver-crypto@...
> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 6:57 PM
> October 13
> 
> > From a very special Café member…
> > 
> > the 1st of many yet to come of a market going "Bid, No
> Offer"
> > 
> > "TOKYO Reuter's- Japan's Ministry of Agriculture did
> not buy any
> > grain in a feed barley and wheat tender conducted on
> Wednesday
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Passive PROFITS | 1 Nov 2010 04:45
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Re: [gsc] Unbelievable

--- On Thu, 10/21/10, Jim <jim@...> wrote:

> From: Jim <jim@...>
> Subject: Re: [gsc] Unbelievable
> To: gold-silver-crypto@...
> Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 7:38 AM
> 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
> 
> The people on the streets trying to make a living and get
> by,
> are not the ones running the country.
> 
> That they have been deliberately deprived of any kind of
> education is not an indictment of the slaves.

Correct.  But this misses entirely one's responsibility to self, to self-educate.  A bad education is an
excuse, only so long as one is unable to access libraries, or these days, the Internet.

I.e. your statement may be correct, but it's implication (that they share no element of blame for their own
ignorance), is not.  None of these individuals asked questions, was a kid.

Best,

PP

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Passive PROFITS | 1 Nov 2010 04:49
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Re: [gsc] Unbelievable

You comment implies you didn't get 100% Dan.  When the questions were entirely simple, and many contained
the very answers sought, I hope I'm wrong in my impression.

--- On Thu, 10/21/10, daniel-richard:buczek <danb <at> buczekent.com> wrote:

> From: daniel-richard:buczek <danb@...>
> Subject: Re: [gsc] Unbelievable
> To: gold-silver-crypto <at> rayservers.com
> Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 2:06 PM
> The key to all these questions... is
> how did you do?  Dan
> 
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Rayservers <support@...>
> wrote:
> 
> > On 21/10/10 14:38, Jim wrote:
> > >
> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
> > >
> > > The people on the streets trying to make a living
> and get by,
> > > are not the ones running the country.
> > >
> > > That they have been deliberately deprived of any
> kind of
> > > education is not an indictment of the slaves.
> >
> > Right.
> >
> > Not that the people running the countries are any
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daniel-richard:buczek | 1 Nov 2010 05:00

Re: [gsc] Unbelievable

No no the real  question is what did you fellas score!

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Passive PROFITS
<passiveprofits@...>wrote:

> You comment implies you didn't get 100% Dan.  When the questions were
> entirely simple, and many contained the very answers sought, I hope I'm
> wrong in my impression.
>
> --- On Thu, 10/21/10, daniel-richard:buczek <danb@...> wrote:
>
> > From: daniel-richard:buczek <danb@...>
> > Subject: Re: [gsc] Unbelievable
> > To: gold-silver-crypto@...
> > Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 2:06 PM
>  > The key to all these questions... is
> > how did you do?  Dan
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Rayservers <support@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 21/10/10 14:38, Jim wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
> > > >
> > > > The people on the streets trying to make a living
> > and get by,
> > > > are not the ones running the country.
> > > >
> > > > That they have been deliberately deprived of any
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Shane Smith | 1 Nov 2010 10:18
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RE: [gsc] Unbelievable


> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 00:00:11 -0400
> From: danb@...
> To: gold-silver-crypto@...
> Subject: Re: [gsc] Unbelievable
> 
> No no the real  question is what did you fellas score!

Are you serious?
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Rayservers | 1 Nov 2010 12:38
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Re: [gsc] MBS's; fraudulent misrep (at last)

Hello PP,

Its worse than that... !

The facts are as plain as day to anyone who has researched this. It could have
politely been called "criminal conspiracy" when they hatched the fraud of
"fractional reserve" banking. Those people, are dead.

We, the living, have to ask - what is it that we are going to do about it. The
blame game gets old. 99.99% of those in the blame game, could not engineer their
way out of a "piss soaked paper bag" to quote Patton. [Some, who read this list,
still keep 'voting' on machines where it does not matter which button they press].

You noted that you would "sell all properties" and get the "cash" out... now
when you are in a "cash" position, you are still holding tokens of fraud.

If you hold gold, the question will still have to be asked "are your source of
funds from fraud or crimes against humanity?". Now, the problem is a gigantic
percentage of the world's gold is also so tainted - when you see fraud, you have
to ask what did the fraudsters get out of it.

PP, there are a few people who read this list, who have helped produce the
architecture you see described at the GSF. If you'd like to do something, then
let me know.

I gather that you live in Olde Englande, where people have at least heard about
the common law. "Restoring" that, would be much preferable to restoring the CON
across the pond. The ironic beauty is that the common law has never ceased to
act. The question is not who has the gold, the question is who does gold have?...
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Patrick Chkoreff | 1 Nov 2010 16:35
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Re: [gsc] MBS's; fraudulent misrep (at last)

Passive PROFITS wrote, On 10/31/2010 11:00 PM:

> This is plain wrong IMHO Patrick.  To call this 'gross negligence' is
> a travesty on the English language.  These people knew EXACTLY what
> they were doing, exactly WHY they were doing it, and went ahead and
> did it anyway.  This is not a description of gross negligence, but
> criminal conspiracy.  And there is only one place thieves belong.

OK, I was just quoting the article:

http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2010/10/the-mortgage-fiasco-in-simple-terms.html

The author says it started with negligence, but you say it started with
criminal intent.  But the author does agree with you that it is theft NOW:

"Your home's title can't be attached to a loan willy nilly and without
your consent.  To do otherwise is theft, and that's exactly what every
lawyer from here to Timbuktu will be arguing."

My own thoughts on this are pretty vague.  Some schlub walks into a
Countrywide mortgage office, signs some papers, and gets permission to
live in a house as long as he keeps sending checks each month with a
certain number written on them.  Later, the schlub decides for whatever
reason to stop sending those checks, and the bankers and bureaucrats
decide to make it my problem.  I'm just this guy minding my own
business, but for some reason people keep throwing shit at me.

-- Patrick

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Rayservers | 1 Nov 2010 17:24
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Re: [gsc] Unbelievable

On 01/11/10 09:18, Shane Smith wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 00:00:11 -0400
>> From: danb@...
>> To: gold-silver-crypto@...
>> Subject: Re: [gsc] Unbelievable
>>
>> No no the real  question is what did you fellas score!
> 
> Are you serious?
>  		 	   		  

You have to remember that the fella asking the question likes to push one of
three buttons on a black box. It would be entertaining to ask him which button
he pushed... Shane, I'll let you respond to his answer.

Best,

Ray

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