parisdownes | 3 Jul 23:28 2006
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Re: QUESTION: How many of you are still using Windows 9x (Win98 or WinMe)??

Sorry if this is considered an old thread, but I'm an apps programmer
so I kind of have to use XP (I assume you're considering Windows
support, not just 9x) and I don't have room for a linux box. One day
I'd like to be a sysprog <sigh> and turnkey gives me a great
opportunity to learn about mainframes. It would be a shame to drop
support because many programmers obligated to use Windows would never
even consider playing around with MVS in the first place if it means
having to get used to Linux/Unix first.

P.

--- In turnkey-mvs@..., "Fish" <fish <at> ...> wrote:
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> I'm curious as to how many Hercules users are still using Windows 9x.
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> If you are please reply.
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> If you are NOT then please DON'T reply. (We don't need a jillion
> replies!)
> 
> The only reason I'm asking is to get a feel for whether or not we can
> (or how SOON we can) drop support for Windows 9x.
> 
> To be completely honest continuing to support Win9x is getting to be
> a pain (and in fact I suspect some non-Win9x-compatible changes may
> have already accidentally wiggled their way into the code base[1]) so
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David Wade | 4 Jul 00:05 2006
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RE: Re: QUESTION: How many of you are still using Windows 9x (Win98 or WinMe)??

Mope, Fish was only talking about the 9x type windows which are basically
very swish DOS extenders, not NT based windows, which have a real 32 bit
kernal underneath.

Dave Wade
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> Subject: [turnkey-mvs] Re: QUESTION: How many of you are 
> still using Windows 9x (Win98 or WinMe)??
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> 
> Sorry if this is considered an old thread, but I'm an apps 
> programmer so I kind of have to use XP (I assume you're 
> considering Windows support, not just 9x) and I don't have 
> room for a linux box. One day I'd like to be a sysprog <sigh> 
> and turnkey gives me a great opportunity to learn about 
> mainframes. It would be a shame to drop support because many 
> programmers obligated to use Windows would never even 
> consider playing around with MVS in the first place if it 
> means having to get used to Linux/Unix first.
> 
> P.
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> 
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Paris Downes | 4 Jul 23:27 2006
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Re: Re: QUESTION: How many of you are still using Windows 9x (Win98 or WinMe)??

Aah. So it's the 16-bit environment that's the problem. Thanks for clearing that up.

P.


On 7/3/06, David Wade < dave-vwZLaD7Pv4s2epGFuHBODCp2UmYkHbXO@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Mope, Fish was only talking about the 9x type windows which are basically
very swish DOS extenders, not NT based windows, which have a real 32 bit
kernal underneath.

Dave Wade
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> Subject: [turnkey-mvs] Re: QUESTION: How many of you are
> still using Windows 9x (Win98 or WinMe)??
>
>
> Sorry if this is considered an old thread, but I'm an apps
> programmer so I kind of have to use XP (I assume you're
> considering Windows support, not just 9x) and I don't have
> room for a linux box. One day I'd like to be a sysprog <sigh>
> and turnkey gives me a great opportunity to learn about
> mainframes. It would be a shame to drop support because many
> programmers obligated to use Windows would never even
> consider playing around with MVS in the first place if it
> means having to get used to Linux/Unix first.
>
> P.
>
>
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> --- In turnkey-mvs-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, "Fish" <fish <at> ...> wrote:
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> > If you are please reply.
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> > If you are NOT then please DON'T reply. (We don't need a jillion
> > replies!)
> >
> > The only reason I'm asking is to get a feel for whether or
> not we can
> > (or how SOON we can) drop support for Windows 9x.
> >
> > To be completely honest continuing to support Win9x is
> getting to be a
> > pain (and in fact I suspect some non-Win9x-compatible
> changes may have
> > already accidentally wiggled their way into the code
> base[1]) so I was
> > wondering if maybe we shouldn't just drop support for it altogether.
> >
> > This is just a feeler/inquiry! I'm *not* suggesting that we are (I
> > am) are actually planning to do so!
> >
> > I'm only trying to get a *feel* for whether or not such *could*
> > *MAYBE* be done at some point in the future.
> >
> > Sooo... anyone out there still using that insecure
> piece-of-crap o/s??
> > :)
> >
> > Thanks. :)
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Fish | 14 Jul 22:56 2006

Anyone experiencing unusual system behavior w/SCSI tape?


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((x-posting to multiple groups...))

Issue:

Client is experiencing mouse/keyboard freeze problem using HercGUI on
his Dell Server running Windows 2003 Server Enterprise Edition
whenever a SCSI tape device is defined in his Herc configuration.
(He's running an MSVC 2006-04-05 version of Herc w/HercGUI)

His box is a very powerful 4-processor (quad-proc) Xeon
hyper-threaded to look like an 8-way.

He's only using (he only has) one and only one tape drive physically
connected to this box. It's an Overland tape drive (not sure what
model). He's using a Sony device driver with it (AIT 35GB). The SCSI
adapter being used (that the tape drive is connected to) is an
Adaptec AHA-2944UW.

I myself experience very similar problems on my dual-proc Windows
2000 Professional/Server system whenever my own SCSI tape drive (a
Fujitsu M2488E) is used with Windows: very "jerky" mouse movement
(periodic freezes) whenever there's no tape mounted on the tape
drive, but not whenever a tape is mounted. It's very weird.

I'm sure it's Windows, but am having a hard time tracking what's
going on, and of course Microsoft support is no help whatsoever.

The problem only seems to occur whenever a tape is NOT mounted on the
drive.

If there IS a tape mounted on the drive, the problem does NOT occur.

If no tape is mounted on the drive, querying the drive status in
Windows ("GetTapeStatus" Win32 API) "hangs" for about 10 seconds.
It's crazy. (But then this *is* Windows afterall, so almost nothing
about it is surprising to me anymore.)

I have not tried to see if the problem occurs on other hardware since
I'm too lazy (and too incompetent when it comes to frickin' with PC
hardware (have had too much bad luck in the past)) to try it on my
other systems. (Doing so would take too much effort, moving the SCSI
adapter card from one system to the other, reinstalling all the
drivers, etc).

MY QUESTION is... (what I'm wondering is)...

Whether or not the issue may or may not be related to multiple
processors (SMP)?

I'm wondering if maybe M$'s SCSI logic (and/or the SCSI adapter's
device driver) isn't "multiple-processor-friendly" or something,
which is why I'm asking.

Are any of you out there using SCSI tapes (on Windows) on a
multiple-processor Windows host? And if so, are you experiencing any
similar type behavior?

What about whenever you enable the "AUTO_SCSI_MOUNT" option? (or use
the 'scsimount' command to enable/disable it?)

HELP!!

Please?

(Yep. This time *I'M* the one asking for help instead of the other
way around.)

Any insight/information and/or helpful suggestions regarding this
issue would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks.

(And if I get some help in figuring this issue out I just *might*
take the time [that I don't really have] to answer a few peoples'
emails too!) [1]   >;-)

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greg_johnsonr | 14 Jul 23:40 2006
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3270 Emulator PF key problems in RPF.

Which 3270 emulator are people using on Windows XP?

I've been using QWS3270 but am having problems in RPF - it seems that
the PF keys don't seem to work (as well as the 'S/R' (enter?) key).

Seems to work on the console - so I am thinking it might also be a RPF
configuration problem or something.

Anyone have any idea what I can do to fix it?

I am using Turnkey-3.

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Brian Kennelly | 15 Jul 00:41 2006
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Re: 3270 Emulator PF key problems in RPF.

greg_johnsonr wrote:
> Which 3270 emulator are people using on Windows XP?
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I normally use x3270.  Vista is a good, cheap alternative, but x3270 is 
more accurate and supports SSL.

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Rob Prins | 15 Jul 09:00 2006
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Re: 3270 Emulator PF key problems in RPF.

I am using Vista in Windows XP. In Linux I use X3270. Both emulators 
works fine.
Did you install the latest version of RPF?
If not, you can find this version on the files section or on my 
homepage (see Links).

-- Rob
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> Which 3270 emulator are people using on Windows XP?
> 
> I've been using QWS3270 but am having problems in RPF - it seems that
> the PF keys don't seem to work (as well as the 'S/R' (enter?) key).
> 
> Seems to work on the console - so I am thinking it might also be a 
RPF
> configuration problem or something.
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> Anyone have any idea what I can do to fix it?
> 
> I am using Turnkey-3.
> 
> -- Greg
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herc_fun | 18 Jul 19:20 2006
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"Automation" Questions

I've been working on making Turnkey as automated as I can; is there a 
way to avoid the "ENTER SYSTEM PARAMETERS" IPL prompt and is there a 
way to get the Master Console in MODE=RD automatically?  If I can beat 
these two interactions I'll meet my goal of having simple click-on-a-
bat-file resulting in bringing up Herc, console & terms, IPL 3.8J and 
having (Volker's Cat;-) netmon screen ready to LOGIN.

Any pointers appreciated,
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Gerhard Postpischil | 18 Jul 19:56 2006
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Re: "Automation" Questions

herc_fun wrote:
> I've been working on making Turnkey as automated as I can; is there a 
> way to avoid the "ENTER SYSTEM PARAMETERS" IPL prompt and is there a 
> way to get the Master Console in MODE=RD automatically?  If I can beat 
> these two interactions I'll meet my goal of having simple click-on-a-
> bat-file resulting in bringing up Herc, console & terms, IPL 3.8J and 
> having (Volker's Cat;-) netmon screen ready to LOGIN.

It is my understanding that version 4 of the Turnkey system will come 
with zaps to open the console in roll/delete mode.

As to the IPL prompt, there are a number of ways. You could look at the 
IEAVNIP0 source code, and zap the nucleus to bypass the WTOR. Note that 
this may have unintended consequences; for instance, when you need to 
specify CLPA, or when you have a system problem and need an 
alternate/backup configuration with different paging data sets, or 
different LPA libraries, etc.. The TN3270E client I use has scripting 
capabilities; if yours does, you could use it to handle a normal IPL, 
while still reserving the option of starting the works manually when 
there is a problem.

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Paul Heller | 23 Jul 19:29 2006
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Hello. I installed it under OSX.

I'm new to the group. I've been running Hercules for a while and
decided two days ago to get the Turnkey system running on my iMac
under OSX. Needless to say, it was a real challenge as darwin has its
own idea of how the syntax should be for the sed command and I needed
to make major modifactions to the setup script before it would work. I
ended up modifying the script in such a way that it should still work
on non-OSX platforms as it did before (although I did not test it).

After getting through all of that (about a day's worth of time),
things went very smoothly and MVS was running in almost no time at all.

Paul

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