Re: Re: Question about LOADxx member

Re: Question about LOADxx member

For HCD itself, its usage is same. But in real z/OS env, a valid 
IODF must be copied into IOD(maybe IODS, I can't remember the name 
exactly), which used by hardware. In hercules, we use *.cnf instead 
of IOD.

In usual way, we set up a series of settings ,include loadxx,IODF 
and other parameters,for example, load00,IODF00,IEASYS00,etc. These 
settings can't be changed. And then we can set up another set of 
settings,for example, load32,IODF32,IEASYS32,etc,which we can change 
freely. We use these settings to IPL. When the IPL failed, we can 
use the original settings to IPL.

If you already failed to IPL, you can IPL using a device of '000C    
3505    zzsacard.bin'. the password is ZZSECRET. You can change your 
parameters through this panel.

Best regards.

 
--- In H390-MVS@..., Johnny Luo(罗兴é­? 
<luoxingkui <at> y...> wrote:
>
> It's wonderful to check mailbox in the morning and find these 
helpful reply:) Thanks.
> 
> I've tried the clist for invoking HCD and there is some little 
difference in the system I tested on:
> CBDCHCD is in SYS1.SCBDCLST,not in SYS1.ACBDCLST.Anyway,it's not a 
problem.
> 
> Just as I've been told,it's rare occasion I need to modify 
IODF.However,
> knowing a little more about underlying OS principls would be good 
for a 
> beginner like me.
> 
> By the way,I still dont think HCD invoked this way is equal to 
the 'real' HCD for a real one
> is independent of Z/OS and can be used even before Z/OS is 
intalled . Is it right?
> 
> And this leads me to another question about emergency recovery of 
ADCD Z/OS.For instance,
> you did some modification to system data sets and on next IPL 
found  the system just broken down.
> If you don't have another backup ADCD z/os,then what to do?
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> Johnny Luo 
> Dalian,CHINA
> LUOXINGKUI <at> Y...
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: yongjunbai 
>   To: H390-MVS@... 
>   Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:48 PM
>   Subject: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx member
> 
> 
>   >However,as for the system on my pc(hercules+adcd),is it that 
there 
>   is no HCD component at all because it's not a 'real' z/os?
>   No.  you ca find the dataset of SYS1.ACBDCLST(CBDCHCD). CBDCHCD 
is a 
>   clist file. you can execute it directly, or start it from a 
panel.
> 
>   --- In H390-MVS@..., Johnny
Luo(ç½â€"å…´éÂ? 
>   <luoxingkui <at> y...> wrote:
>   >
>   > I've read some IBM manuals about HCD and know that even before 
>   IPL,something still can be done through HCD
>   > component of Z/OS.
>   > 
>   > However,as for the system on my pc(hercules+adcd),is it that 
there 
>   is no HCD component at all because it's not 
>   > a 'real' z/os?
>   > 
>   > Suppose this is the case.Does it mean that if the modification 
I 
>   did to my system causes it  fail in next 
>   > IPL then it becomes difficult to recover because on pc z/os 
there 
>   is only mvs console?
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: Norman Hollander 
>   >   To: H390-MVS@... 
>   >   Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:03 PM
>   >   Subject: RE: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx member
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   No- not like IDCAMS.  Linear Datasets are not meant to be 
>   printed.
>   > 
>   >   You need to go into HCD, select the IODF, and select the 
Print 
>   Function.
>   > 
>   >   It will generate a HCD Utility Job to print the IODF.
>   > 
>   >    
>   > 
>   > 
>   > ---------------------------------------------------------------
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>   -----------
>   > 
>   >   From: H390-MVS@... [mailto:H390-
MVS@...] 
>   On Behalf Of Johnny Luo(???)
>   >   Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 SYSN 8:39 PM
>   >   To: H390-MVS@...
>   >   Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx member
>   > 
>   >    
>   > 
>   >   My email address is luoxingkui <at> g...
>   > 
>   >    
>   > 
>   >   How should  I express my appreciation for your kind help? I 
>   lives in China which may seem to be far 
>   > 
>   >   far away from you and I'm now working as a young MAINFRAME 
>   programmer. To do things better,I've ordered 
>   > 
>   >   almost all of MURACH's MAINFRAME series in 
>   AMAZON.com.However,these books focus on developing in mainframe 
and 
>   it's
>   > 
>   >   hard to find anything about system programming though I'm 
eager 
>   to learn some system things.As for these questions,they
>   > 
>   >   have defeated me for long and here in my city in China I 
have 
>   nowhere to ask for help.So,I really appreciate that
>   > 
>   >   you spared your time to give me these helpful hints.(I heard 
of 
>   CA before and know that file manger is your company's product:)
>   > 
>   >    
>   > 
>   >   I'm not familiar about using HCD to print linear data 
set,does 
>   it also do this  through jcl? Somthing like IDCAMS.
>   > 
>   >    
>   > 
>   >   Anyway,I think I've learned much from your reply and it's 
time 
>   for me to delve into IBM's manuals and redbooks again before 
going 
>   > 
>   >   on to ask questions.
>   > 
>   >    
>   > 
>   >   Best wishes.
>   > 
>   >    
>   > 
>   >    
>   > 
>   >     ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > 
>   >     From: Norman Hollander 
>   > 
>   >     To: H390-MVS@... 
>   > 
>   >     Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:56 AM
>   > 
>   >     Subject: RE: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx member
>   > 
>   >      
>   > 
>   >       1.. Yes, I often speak at IBM Expo, Share, CMG, and 
CAWorld 
>   (yes, I work for CA). 
>   >     I can send you the presentation off-list.  Send me your 
email 
>   address.
>   > 
>   >       2.. You can.  But I happen to know, and you can do a 
>   D,U,DASD command, and see that 
>   >                   address A90-A9F are 3390s.  So if you donââ‚
¬â„¢t 
>   need more addresses, you can use those.
>   > 
>   >                   There are other addresses you can use, but I
’d 
>   have to find them for you.
>   > 
>   >                   The process you indicated, is exactly 
right.  
>   When you INIT the volume, don’t do a Verify.
>   > 
>   >                   I can send you my Device Layout, too.
>   > 
>   >       3.. IODF is actually a Linear Data Set (VSAM).  You canâ
€™t 
>   print it that way. You have to use HCD to print 
>   >     the contents.
>   > 
>   >      
>   > 
>   > 
>   > ---------------------------------------------------------------
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>   ---------
>   > 
>   >     From: H390-MVS@... [mailto:H390-
>   MVS@...] On Behalf Of Johnny Luo(???)
>   >     Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 SYSN 6:54 PM
>   >     To: H390-MVS@...
>   >     Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx member
>   > 
>   >      
>   > 
>   >     1,z/Setup 
>   > 
>   >     Share presentations. Is it an article  written by you?  If 
>   it's true,can i obtain it to do some research?Thanks.
>   > 
>   >      
>   > 
>   >     2, You says that z/OS does not dynamically create the 
IODF. So 
>   I guess  in some case I want to add a 
>   > 
>   >        new volume to my system I need to change IODF to allow 
that 
>   first?
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >        In fact,this is another question I dwell on for long 
>   time.For example,I want to add one private volume
>   > 
>   >     to my h390 for the purpose of placing all my own 
>   jcl,cobol,etc,on it.Maybe the process would be like this?
>   > 
>   >         First,use hercules tools to create a 3390 image;
>   > 
>   >         Second,include this new image in hercules.cnf;
>   > 
>   >         Last,in z/os initialize this new volume.
>   > 
>   >         
>   > 
>   >         In second step,perhaps I should add a line in hercules 
cnf 
>   like ' 0AC3    3390    D:/zos14/MIIU01_1.AC3'.
>   > 
>   >     However,which device address should I use ,like 0AC3?
>   > 
>   >      
>   > 
>   >     3,I use IDCAMS's 'print character' to print the content of 
>   sys1.iodf00.But the result is not character at all.
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > 
>   >       From: Norman Hollander 
>   > 
>   >       To: H390-MVS@... 
>   > 
>   >       Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:16 AM
>   > 
>   >       Subject: RE: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx member
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       From the ADCD setup, most of the running system is on 
that 
>   volume-
>   > 
>   >       iodf, catalogue, security, spool, checkpoint, dump, 
IODF.  
>   If you plan to
>   > 
>   >       run anything of interest, you may have to recustomize.  
I 
>   actually have
>   > 
>   >       a very customize system that has been setup according to 
my 
>   z/Setup
>   > 
>   >       Share presentations.
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       The name is SYS1.IODF00.  z/OS does not dynamically 
create 
>   the IODF.
>   > 
>   >       You can do Displays to see all the devices.  They have 
to be 
>   in the right
>   > 
>   >       address with the right device type- especially DASD and 
TP.  
>   On the other
>   > 
>   >       hand, z/VM does dynamically create its I/O definitions 
base 
>   on the devices
>   > 
>   >       it finds at IPL time.
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       If you plan to use HCD, do not overwrite the running 
IODF. 
>   Actually don’t
>   > 
>   >       think HCD will let you.  Make your changes to the plus-1 
and 
>   create a new
>   > 
>   >       LOADxx.  That way, if you get into trouble, you can 
recover.
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   > 
>   > ---------------------------------------------------------------
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>   -------
>   > 
>   >       From: H390-MVS@... [mailto:H390-
>   MVS@...] On Behalf Of Johnny Luo(???)
>   >       Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 SYSN 5:53 PM
>   >       To: H390-MVS@...
>   >       Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx member
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       Thank you Norman Hollander ,your reply does help me a 
lot.
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       Still have some questions.
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       1,How do you draw the  conclusion that my iodf is on 
os39m1? 
>   Just from my hercules.cnf?
>   > 
>   >         
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       2, Can I think of iodf creation on H390 like 
this:First,I 
>   wrote my hercules.cnf to 
>   > 
>   >         include volumes and other devices which I wanna 
>   use;Second,system automatically 
>   > 
>   >         creates iodf based on my cnf .So it's rare occasion I 
need 
>   to change iodf instead of cnf.
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       3,Can you tell me iodf's data set name? Then I can find 
it 
>   and see its content.
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >         ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > 
>   >         From: Norman Hollander 
>   > 
>   >         To: H390-MVS@... 
>   > 
>   >         Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:11 AM
>   > 
>   >         Subject: RE: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx 
member
>   > 
>   >          
>   > 
>   >         ur iodf is on the os39m1 volume on a82.   it has an 
>   assortment of 3390s,
>   >         3380s,
>   >         and other sundry devices that you probably won't use.  
no 
>   need to really
>   >         change it,
>   >         unless you need more 3390-type devices.  
>   > 
>   >         -----Original Message-----
>   >         From: H390-MVS@... [mailto:H390-
>   MVS@...] On Behalf
>   >         Of luoxingkui
>   >         Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 SYSN 4:05 PM
>   >         To: H390-MVS@...
>   >         Subject: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx member
>   > 
>   >         Thanks for your reply.
>   > 
>   >         As for IODF which I don't know much about,IBM says 
it's 
>   created 
>   >         through HCD.
>   > 
>   >         As far as my test sytem---cygwin+hercules+z/os 1.4 
summer 
>   adcd-----is 
>   >         concerned,before IPL the 
>   >         only thing I did is to change HERCULES.CNF,then I IPL 
the 
>   system.
>   > 
>   >         Now ,where is my IODF?Can I find it to see its content?
>   > 
>   >         Sounds like a silly question,but I really want some 
help.
>   > 
>   >         My hercules.cnf is something like:
>   > 
>   >         #
>   >         # Hercules Emulator Control file...
>   >         # Description: z/os 1.4 start configuration file
>   >         # MaxShutdownSecs: 15
>   >         #
>   >         #
>   >         # System parameters
>   >         #
>   > 
>   >         CPUSERIAL 000000
>   >         CPUMODEL  2064
>   >         MAINSIZE  192
>   >         CNSLPORT  3270
>   >         NUMCPU    1
>   >         ARCHMODE  ESAME
>   >         LOADPARM  0AC1ZZ..
>   >         SYSEPOCH  1900
>   >         TZOFFSET  +0800
>   >         OSTAILOR  OS/390
>   >         PANRATE   500
>   >         DEVTMAX   100
>   >         PGMPRDOS  LICENSED
>   > 
>   >         # Display Terminals
>   > 
>   >         0700    3270
>   >         0701    3270
>   >         0702    3270
>   >         0703    3270
>   >         0704    3270
>   >         0705    3270
>   > 
>   >         # DASD Devices
>   > 
>   >         0A80    3390    D:/zos14/S4RES1_1.A80
>   >         0A81    3390    D:/zos14/S4RES2_1.A81
>   >         0A82    3390    D:/zos14/OS39M1_1.A82
>   >         0A83    3390    D:/zos14/S4DB21_1.A83
>   >         0A84    3390    D:/zos14/S4CIC1.A84
>   >         0A87    3390    D:/zos14/S4USS1_1.A87
>   >         0A89    3390    D:/zos14/S4IMS1.A89
>   >         0AC1    3390    D:/zos14/MIIS01_1.AC1
>   >         0AC2    3390    D:/zos14/MIIS02_1.AC2
>   >         0AC3    3390    D:/zos14/MIIU01_1.AC3
>   > 
>   >         # CTC Adapters
>   > 
>   >         0E20    3088    CTCI  10.3.1.245 10.3.1.34
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   >         --- In H390-MVS@..., "somitcw" 
<somitcw <at> c...> 
>   wrote:
>   >         >
>   >         >    I don't use SYSx.IPLPARM or the SYS1.PARMLIB
>   >         > on SYSRES.  My SYS1.PARMLIB is the one on the
>   >         > IODF volume.  No reason for SYSx.IPLPARM
>   >         > complications and SYSRES should be capable of
>   >         > being almost a read-only volume.  I have had
>   >         > to share SYSRES with three systems when disk
>   >         > space was extremely short.
>   >         > 
>   >         > --- In H390-MVS@...,
>   >         >  "mycroftxxx1" <mycroftxxx1 <at> g...> wrote:
>   >         > >
>   >         > > The only place the system looks for LOADxx
>   >         > >is in SYS1.IPLPARM on the volume where the
>   >         > >IODF resides or in SYS1.PARMLIB on the IPL
>   >         > >SYSRES volume.
>   >         > >   _____  
>   >         > > 
>   >         > > From: H390-MVS@...
>   >         > >[mailto:H390-MVS@...] On Behalf
>   >         > >Of luoxingkui
>   >         > > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 10:12 AM
>   >         > > To: H390-MVS@...
>   >         > > Subject: [H390-MVS] Question about LOADxx member
>   >         > >
>   >         > > These days I've been bewildered by this.
>   >         > >Let me clarify the question step by step.
>   >         > > 
>   >         > > 1,IBM's reference says: A parmlib
>   >         > >concatenation allows you to have more 
>   >         > >flexibility in managing parmlib members
>   >         > >and changes to parmlib members.
>   >         > >SYS1.PARMLIB makes the 11th or last
>   >         > >data set in the concatenation.
>   >         > > 
>   >         > >   Ok£¬that's right.If sys1.parmlib
>   >         > >contains loadxx memeber which I don't
>   >         > >wanna to use,so I can create a new lib
>   >         > >,for instance,center.parmlib,and place
>   >         > >my loadxx memeber in it .Then I can
>   >         > >concatenate center.parmlib to 
>   >         > >sys1.parmlib.Because SYS1.PARMLIB makes
>   >         > >the 11th or last data set in the
>   >         > >concatenation£¬my own loadxx member
>   >         > >will override loadxx in sys1.parmlib.
>   >         > > 
>   >         > >   However,I should let the system be
>   >         > >aware of  my concatenation first.
>   >         > > 
>   >         > > 2,Then comes IBM's reference again:
>   >         > >The parmlib concatenation is a set 
>   >         > >of up to 10 partitioned data sets
>   >         > >defined through PARMLIB statements in 
>   >         > > the LOADxx member.
>   >         > > 
>   >         > >    Suppose my system's  SYSn.IPLPARM
>   >         > >don't have LOADxx,then it goes to 
>   >         > >parmlib to search for it-----however,
>   >         > >at this time,system still don't know
>   >         > >I've done concatenation to parmlib
>   >         > >because it's defined in LOADXX. 
>   >         > > Perhaps it'll  still use LOADXX in
>   >         > > SYS1.PARMLIB and LOADXX I place in
>   >         > >CENTER.PARMLIB has no impact on 
>   >         > >system?
>   >         > > 
>   >         > >     My question is here:We can
>   >         > >concatenate other libs to SYS1.PARMLIB 
>   >         > >and override members in SYS1.PARMLIB.
>   >         > >But as for LOADXX,does it have other
>   >         > >things to take into account?
>   >         > > 
>   >         > > I don't know whether what i says
>   >         > >is clear or not.Expect for help.
>   >         > > 
>   >         > > Thank you all.
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Re: Question about LOADxx member

For HCD itself, its usage is same. But in real z/OS env, a valid 
IODF must be copied into IOD(maybe IODS, I can't remember the name 
exactly), which used by hardware. In hercules, we use *.cnf instead 
of IOD.

In usual way, we set up a series of settings ,include loadxx,IODF 
and other parameters,for example, load00,IODF00,IEASYS00,etc. These 
settings can't be changed. And then we can set up another set of 
settings,for example, load32,IODF32,IEASYS32,etc,which we can change 
freely. We use these settings to IPL. When the IPL failed, we can 
use the original settings to IPL.

If you already failed to IPL, you can IPL using a device of '000C    
3505    zzsacard.bin'. the password is ZZSECRET. You can change your 
parameters through this panel.

Best regards.

 
--- In H390-MVS@..., Johnny Luo(罗兴é­? 
<luoxingkui <at> y...> wrote:
>
> It's wonderful to check mailbox in the morning and find these 
helpful reply:) Thanks.
> 
> I've tried the clist for invoking HCD and there is some little 
difference in the system I tested on:
> CBDCHCD is in SYS1.SCBDCLST,not in SYS1.ACBDCLST.Anyway,it's not a 
problem.
> 
> Just as I've been told,it's rare occasion I need to modify 
IODF.However,
> knowing a little more about underlying OS principls would be good 
for a 
> beginner like me.
> 
> By the way,I still dont think HCD invoked this way is equal to 
the 'real' HCD for a real one
> is independent of Z/OS and can be used even before Z/OS is 
intalled . Is it right?
> 
> And this leads me to another question about emergency recovery of 
ADCD Z/OS.For instance,
> you did some modification to system data sets and on next IPL 
found  the system just broken down.
> If you don't have another backup ADCD z/os,then what to do?
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> Johnny Luo 
> Dalian,CHINA
> LUOXINGKUI <at> Y...
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: yongjunbai 
>   To: H390-MVS@... 
>   Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:48 PM
>   Subject: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx member
> 
> 
>   >However,as for the system on my pc(hercules+adcd),is it that 
there 
>   is no HCD component at all because it's not a 'real' z/os?
>   No.  you ca find the dataset of SYS1.ACBDCLST(CBDCHCD). CBDCHCD 
is a 
>   clist file. you can execute it directly, or start it from a 
panel.
> 
>   --- In H390-MVS@..., Johnny
Luo(ç½â€"å…´éÂ? 
>   <luoxingkui <at> y...> wrote:
>   >
>   > I've read some IBM manuals about HCD and know that even before 
>   IPL,something still can be done through HCD
>   > component of Z/OS.
>   > 
>   > However,as for the system on my pc(hercules+adcd),is it that 
there 
>   is no HCD component at all because it's not 
>   > a 'real' z/os?
>   > 
>   > Suppose this is the case.Does it mean that if the modification 
I 
>   did to my system causes it  fail in next 
>   > IPL then it becomes difficult to recover because on pc z/os 
there 
>   is only mvs console?
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: Norman Hollander 
>   >   To: H390-MVS@... 
>   >   Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:03 PM
>   >   Subject: RE: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx member
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   No- not like IDCAMS.  Linear Datasets are not meant to be 
>   printed.
>   > 
>   >   You need to go into HCD, select the IODF, and select the 
Print 
>   Function.
>   > 
>   >   It will generate a HCD Utility Job to print the IODF.
>   > 
>   >    
>   > 
>   > 
>   > ---------------------------------------------------------------
----
>   -----------
>   > 
>   >   From: H390-MVS@... [mailto:H390-
MVS@...] 
>   On Behalf Of Johnny Luo(???)
>   >   Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 SYSN 8:39 PM
>   >   To: H390-MVS@...
>   >   Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx member
>   > 
>   >    
>   > 
>   >   My email address is luoxingkui <at> g...
>   > 
>   >    
>   > 
>   >   How should  I express my appreciation for your kind help? I 
>   lives in China which may seem to be far 
>   > 
>   >   far away from you and I'm now working as a young MAINFRAME 
>   programmer. To do things better,I've ordered 
>   > 
>   >   almost all of MURACH's MAINFRAME series in 
>   AMAZON.com.However,these books focus on developing in mainframe 
and 
>   it's
>   > 
>   >   hard to find anything about system programming though I'm 
eager 
>   to learn some system things.As for these questions,they
>   > 
>   >   have defeated me for long and here in my city in China I 
have 
>   nowhere to ask for help.So,I really appreciate that
>   > 
>   >   you spared your time to give me these helpful hints.(I heard 
of 
>   CA before and know that file manger is your company's product:)
>   > 
>   >    
>   > 
>   >   I'm not familiar about using HCD to print linear data 
set,does 
>   it also do this  through jcl? Somthing like IDCAMS.
>   > 
>   >    
>   > 
>   >   Anyway,I think I've learned much from your reply and it's 
time 
>   for me to delve into IBM's manuals and redbooks again before 
going 
>   > 
>   >   on to ask questions.
>   > 
>   >    
>   > 
>   >   Best wishes.
>   > 
>   >    
>   > 
>   >    
>   > 
>   >     ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > 
>   >     From: Norman Hollander 
>   > 
>   >     To: H390-MVS@... 
>   > 
>   >     Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:56 AM
>   > 
>   >     Subject: RE: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx member
>   > 
>   >      
>   > 
>   >       1.. Yes, I often speak at IBM Expo, Share, CMG, and 
CAWorld 
>   (yes, I work for CA). 
>   >     I can send you the presentation off-list.  Send me your 
email 
>   address.
>   > 
>   >       2.. You can.  But I happen to know, and you can do a 
>   D,U,DASD command, and see that 
>   >                   address A90-A9F are 3390s.  So if you donââ‚
¬â„¢t 
>   need more addresses, you can use those.
>   > 
>   >                   There are other addresses you can use, but I
’d 
>   have to find them for you.
>   > 
>   >                   The process you indicated, is exactly 
right.  
>   When you INIT the volume, don’t do a Verify.
>   > 
>   >                   I can send you my Device Layout, too.
>   > 
>   >       3.. IODF is actually a Linear Data Set (VSAM).  You canâ
€™t 
>   print it that way. You have to use HCD to print 
>   >     the contents.
>   > 
>   >      
>   > 
>   > 
>   > ---------------------------------------------------------------
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>   ---------
>   > 
>   >     From: H390-MVS@... [mailto:H390-
>   MVS@...] On Behalf Of Johnny Luo(???)
>   >     Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 SYSN 6:54 PM
>   >     To: H390-MVS@...
>   >     Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx member
>   > 
>   >      
>   > 
>   >     1,z/Setup 
>   > 
>   >     Share presentations. Is it an article  written by you?  If 
>   it's true,can i obtain it to do some research?Thanks.
>   > 
>   >      
>   > 
>   >     2, You says that z/OS does not dynamically create the 
IODF. So 
>   I guess  in some case I want to add a 
>   > 
>   >        new volume to my system I need to change IODF to allow 
that 
>   first?
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >        In fact,this is another question I dwell on for long 
>   time.For example,I want to add one private volume
>   > 
>   >     to my h390 for the purpose of placing all my own 
>   jcl,cobol,etc,on it.Maybe the process would be like this?
>   > 
>   >         First,use hercules tools to create a 3390 image;
>   > 
>   >         Second,include this new image in hercules.cnf;
>   > 
>   >         Last,in z/os initialize this new volume.
>   > 
>   >         
>   > 
>   >         In second step,perhaps I should add a line in hercules 
cnf 
>   like ' 0AC3    3390    D:/zos14/MIIU01_1.AC3'.
>   > 
>   >     However,which device address should I use ,like 0AC3?
>   > 
>   >      
>   > 
>   >     3,I use IDCAMS's 'print character' to print the content of 
>   sys1.iodf00.But the result is not character at all.
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > 
>   >       From: Norman Hollander 
>   > 
>   >       To: H390-MVS@... 
>   > 
>   >       Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:16 AM
>   > 
>   >       Subject: RE: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx member
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       From the ADCD setup, most of the running system is on 
that 
>   volume-
>   > 
>   >       iodf, catalogue, security, spool, checkpoint, dump, 
IODF.  
>   If you plan to
>   > 
>   >       run anything of interest, you may have to recustomize.  
I 
>   actually have
>   > 
>   >       a very customize system that has been setup according to 
my 
>   z/Setup
>   > 
>   >       Share presentations.
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       The name is SYS1.IODF00.  z/OS does not dynamically 
create 
>   the IODF.
>   > 
>   >       You can do Displays to see all the devices.  They have 
to be 
>   in the right
>   > 
>   >       address with the right device type- especially DASD and 
TP.  
>   On the other
>   > 
>   >       hand, z/VM does dynamically create its I/O definitions 
base 
>   on the devices
>   > 
>   >       it finds at IPL time.
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       If you plan to use HCD, do not overwrite the running 
IODF. 
>   Actually don’t
>   > 
>   >       think HCD will let you.  Make your changes to the plus-1 
and 
>   create a new
>   > 
>   >       LOADxx.  That way, if you get into trouble, you can 
recover.
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   > 
>   > ---------------------------------------------------------------
----
>   -------
>   > 
>   >       From: H390-MVS@... [mailto:H390-
>   MVS@...] On Behalf Of Johnny Luo(???)
>   >       Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 SYSN 5:53 PM
>   >       To: H390-MVS@...
>   >       Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx member
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       Thank you Norman Hollander ,your reply does help me a 
lot.
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       Still have some questions.
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       1,How do you draw the  conclusion that my iodf is on 
os39m1? 
>   Just from my hercules.cnf?
>   > 
>   >         
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       2, Can I think of iodf creation on H390 like 
this:First,I 
>   wrote my hercules.cnf to 
>   > 
>   >         include volumes and other devices which I wanna 
>   use;Second,system automatically 
>   > 
>   >         creates iodf based on my cnf .So it's rare occasion I 
need 
>   to change iodf instead of cnf.
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >       3,Can you tell me iodf's data set name? Then I can find 
it 
>   and see its content.
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >        
>   > 
>   >         ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > 
>   >         From: Norman Hollander 
>   > 
>   >         To: H390-MVS@... 
>   > 
>   >         Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:11 AM
>   > 
>   >         Subject: RE: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx 
member
>   > 
>   >          
>   > 
>   >         ur iodf is on the os39m1 volume on a82.   it has an 
>   assortment of 3390s,
>   >         3380s,
>   >         and other sundry devices that you probably won't use.  
no 
>   need to really
>   >         change it,
>   >         unless you need more 3390-type devices.  
>   > 
>   >         -----Original Message-----
>   >         From: H390-MVS@... [mailto:H390-
>   MVS@...] On Behalf
>   >         Of luoxingkui
>   >         Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 SYSN 4:05 PM
>   >         To: H390-MVS@...
>   >         Subject: [H390-MVS] Re: Question about LOADxx member
>   > 
>   >         Thanks for your reply.
>   > 
>   >         As for IODF which I don't know much about,IBM says 
it's 
>   created 
>   >         through HCD.
>   > 
>   >         As far as my test sytem---cygwin+hercules+z/os 1.4 
summer 
>   adcd-----is 
>   >         concerned,before IPL the 
>   >         only thing I did is to change HERCULES.CNF,then I IPL 
the 
>   system.
>   > 
>   >         Now ,where is my IODF?Can I find it to see its content?
>   > 
>   >         Sounds like a silly question,but I really want some 
help.
>   > 
>   >         My hercules.cnf is something like:
>   > 
>   >         #
>   >         # Hercules Emulator Control file...
>   >         # Description: z/os 1.4 start configuration file
>   >         # MaxShutdownSecs: 15
>   >         #
>   >         #
>   >         # System parameters
>   >         #
>   > 
>   >         CPUSERIAL 000000
>   >         CPUMODEL  2064
>   >         MAINSIZE  192
>   >         CNSLPORT  3270
>   >         NUMCPU    1
>   >         ARCHMODE  ESAME
>   >         LOADPARM  0AC1ZZ..
>   >         SYSEPOCH  1900
>   >         TZOFFSET  +0800
>   >         OSTAILOR  OS/390
>   >         PANRATE   500
>   >         DEVTMAX   100
>   >         PGMPRDOS  LICENSED
>   > 
>   >         # Display Terminals
>   > 
>   >         0700    3270
>   >         0701    3270
>   >         0702    3270
>   >         0703    3270
>   >         0704    3270
>   >         0705    3270
>   > 
>   >         # DASD Devices
>   > 
>   >         0A80    3390    D:/zos14/S4RES1_1.A80
>   >         0A81    3390    D:/zos14/S4RES2_1.A81
>   >         0A82    3390    D:/zos14/OS39M1_1.A82
>   >         0A83    3390    D:/zos14/S4DB21_1.A83
>   >         0A84    3390    D:/zos14/S4CIC1.A84
>   >         0A87    3390    D:/zos14/S4USS1_1.A87
>   >         0A89    3390    D:/zos14/S4IMS1.A89
>   >         0AC1    3390    D:/zos14/MIIS01_1.AC1
>   >         0AC2    3390    D:/zos14/MIIS02_1.AC2
>   >         0AC3    3390    D:/zos14/MIIU01_1.AC3
>   > 
>   >         # CTC Adapters
>   > 
>   >         0E20    3088    CTCI  10.3.1.245 10.3.1.34
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   >         --- In H390-MVS@..., "somitcw" 
<somitcw <at> c...> 
>   wrote:
>   >         >
>   >         >    I don't use SYSx.IPLPARM or the SYS1.PARMLIB
>   >         > on SYSRES.  My SYS1.PARMLIB is the one on the
>   >         > IODF volume.  No reason for SYSx.IPLPARM
>   >         > complications and SYSRES should be capable of
>   >         > being almost a read-only volume.  I have had
>   >         > to share SYSRES with three systems when disk
>   >         > space was extremely short.
>   >         > 
>   >         > --- In H390-MVS@...,
>   >         >  "mycroftxxx1" <mycroftxxx1 <at> g...> wrote:
>   >         > >
>   >         > > The only place the system looks for LOADxx
>   >         > >is in SYS1.IPLPARM on the volume where the
>   >         > >IODF resides or in SYS1.PARMLIB on the IPL
>   >         > >SYSRES volume.
>   >         > >   _____  
>   >         > > 
>   >         > > From: H390-MVS@...
>   >         > >[mailto:H390-MVS@...] On Behalf
>   >         > >Of luoxingkui
>   >         > > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 10:12 AM
>   >         > > To: H390-MVS@...
>   >         > > Subject: [H390-MVS] Question about LOADxx member
>   >         > >
>   >         > > These days I've been bewildered by this.
>   >         > >Let me clarify the question step by step.
>   >         > > 
>   >         > > 1,IBM's reference says: A parmlib
>   >         > >concatenation allows you to have more 
>   >         > >flexibility in managing parmlib members
>   >         > >and changes to parmlib members.
>   >         > >SYS1.PARMLIB makes the 11th or last
>   >         > >data set in the concatenation.
>   >         > > 
>   >         > >   Ok£¬that's right.If sys1.parmlib
>   >         > >contains loadxx memeber which I don't
>   >         > >wanna to use,so I can create a new lib
>   >         > >,for instance,center.parmlib,and place
>   >         > >my loadxx memeber in it .Then I can
>   >         > >concatenate center.parmlib to 
>   >         > >sys1.parmlib.Because SYS1.PARMLIB makes
>   >         > >the 11th or last data set in the
>   >         > >concatenation£¬my own loadxx member
>   >         > >will override loadxx in sys1.parmlib.
>   >         > > 
>   >         > >   However,I should let the system be
>   >         > >aware of  my concatenation first.
>   >         > > 
>   >         > > 2,Then comes IBM's reference again:
>   >         > >The parmlib concatenation is a set 
>   >         > >of up to 10 partitioned data sets
>   >         > >defined through PARMLIB statements in 
>   >         > > the LOADxx member.
>   >         > > 
>   >         > >    Suppose my system's  SYSn.IPLPARM
>   >         > >don't have LOADxx,then it goes to 
>   >         > >parmlib to search for it-----however,
>   >         > >at this time,system still don't know
>   >         > >I've done concatenation to parmlib
>   >         > >because it's defined in LOADXX. 
>   >         > > Perhaps it'll  still use LOADXX in
>   >         > > SYS1.PARMLIB and LOADXX I place in
>   >         > >CENTER.PARMLIB has no impact on 
>   >         > >system?
>   >         > > 
>   >         > >     My question is here:We can
>   >         > >concatenate other libs to SYS1.PARMLIB 
>   >         > >and override members in SYS1.PARMLIB.
>   >         > >But as for LOADXX,does it have other
>   >         > >things to take into account?
>   >         > > 
>   >         > > I don't know whether what i says
>   >         > >is clear or not.Expect for help.
>   >         > > 
>   >         > > Thank you all.
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Re: Re: Question about LOADxx member

SYS1.PARMLIB and logical parmlib

IEE345I S AUTHORITY INVALID, FAILED BY MVS

Hi,

I have another Problem. 

I'm tying to code an 'Auto Operator' unter REXX. When I
activate the Console it works fine with Display-CMD's.

But when I'll use the start/modify-CMD it dosn't work 
- get only the info IEE345 ... FAILED BY MVS. 

The message describes that this is an original MVS-Problem.
I didn't get an RACF-Message!!! (neither in my Consol-Session 
nor in SDSF)

When I look into RACF my RACF-User has authority for

OPERPARMS AUTH(MASTER) AUTO(YES) ROUTCODE(ALL) 
  LEVEL(ALL)MFORM(T S J M X) DOM(ALL) CMDSYS(*) MSCOPE=*ALL UD=YES

CLASS(OPERCMDS JES2.** (G) My Access(READ))

CLASS(OPERCMDS MVS.MCSOPER.* (G) My Access(READ))

CLASS(OPERCMDS MVS.** (G) My Access(CONTROL))

CLASS(OPERCMDS MVS.** My Access(CONTROL))

I think the problem is in the CONSOL00-Member:
...definitions for primary and secondary MC's (works fine)
than
CONSOLE
  DEVNUM(SYSCONS)
  AUTH(MASTER)
  MONITAR(JOBNAMES-T)
  ROUTCODE(ALL)
CONSOLE
  DEVNUM(SUBSYSTEM)
  AUTH(MASTER)
CONSOLE
  DEVNUM(SUBSYSTEM)
  AUTH(MASTER)
HARDCOPY
  DEVNUM(SYSLOG)
  CMDLEVEL(CMDS)
  ROUTCODE(ALL)

My questions:

1. can't unterstand RACF OPERCMDS MVS.** (G)//OPERCMDS MVS.**
(my opinion - duplicate definition?)

2. MVS.MCSOPER.* (G) not necesary because MVS.** (G) is sufficient

==>
but 1 and 2 are not realy the problem because ON RACF-MESSAGE

Are there other locations for defining CONSOL-Authorisations?

Please help me.

Thanks a lot.

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Re: SYS1.PARMLIB and logical parmlib

You should create a dataset of sys1.iplparm on the IODF volume. 
DSORG=PO,RECFM=FB,LRECL=80. And then put your loadcs into it.
In this case, system will find your loadcs in the IPLPARM at first.
Don't put loadxx into the dataset of xxx.parmlib.

--- In H390-MVS@..., Johnny Luo(ÂÞÐË¿ý) 
<luoxingkui <at> y...> wrote:
>
> On reading ABCs of Z/OS SYSTEM PROGRAMMING,I noticed that 
> the author refers to 'SYS1.PARMLIB' many times.As known,
> other libs can be concatenated to SYS1.PARMLIB which
> is called logical parmlib.
> 
> I used to treat all references to 'SYS1.PARMLIB' as implictly 
referring
> to logical parmlib.However,when encountered with LOADXX member 
issue,
> I began to hesitate because at an IPL ,even before system knows 
> how you concatenated parmlib it may first need to  search LOADXX 
in parmlib and at
> this time the only lib system would search will be SYS1.PARMLIB.
> 
> Let me present an example.
> 1,In hercules.cnf ,LOADPARM=LOADCS.
>   IODF is on OS39M1.
> 2,Any SYSn.IPLPARM doesn't exist in system.
> 3,There is a LOADCS member in SYS1.PARMLIB(resident in OS39M1).
>   But I wanna use my own LOADCS member in CENTER.PARMLIB to 
override
>   it.So I define a parmlib concatenation in CENTER.PARMLIB(LOADCS).
> 
> In this case,will the resut be the one I expected? (System uses
> CENTER.PARMLIB(LOADCS) instead of SYS1.PARMLIB(LOADCS))
> 
> To summarize,my question is:Can we override any memeber of
> SYS1.PARMLIB under any circumstance through parmlib concatenation?
> Or the case is'No,sometimes some specific member must be in 
> SYS1.PARMLIB'?
> 
> I raised the same question in my last post concerning LOADXX 
member and 
> unfortunatly the replies didn't make me understand it.
> 
> Expect your kind reply.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Johnny Luo 
> Dalian,CHINA
>

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Re: SYS1.PARMLIB and logical parmlib

   Why create a data set for one member when
the proper SYS1.PARMLIB already exists?

   Why create a data set the can have ten
names to search for?

   Why add another thing that can break and
prevent IPL?

   The fix is to understand that LOADxx
is loaded before PARMLIB concatination.
The fix should not be to add even more
complication.

--- In H390-MVS@...,
 "yongjunbai" <yongjunbai <at> y...> wrote:
> You should create a dataset of sys1.iplparm
>on the IODF volume.  DSORG=PO,RECFM=FB,LRECL=80.
>And then put your loadcs into it.  In this case,
>system will find your loadcs in the IPLPARM at first.
>Don't put loadxx into the dataset of xxx.parmlib.  
> --- In H390-MVS@..., Johnny Luo(ÂÞÐË¿ý) 
> <luoxingkui <at> y...> wrote:
> >
>> On reading ABCs of Z/OS SYSTEM
>>PROGRAMMING,I noticed that the
>>author refers to 'SYS1.PARMLIB'
>>many times.As known, other libs
>>can be concatenated to SYS1.PARMLIB
>>which is called logical parmlib.
>> 
>> I used to treat all references to
>>'SYS1.PARMLIB' as implictly referring
>>to logical parmlib.However,when
>>encountered with LOADXX member issue,
>> I began to hesitate because at an
>>IPL ,even before system knows how you
>>concatenated parmlib it may first need
>>to  search LOADXX in parmlib and at
>>this time the only lib system would
>>search will be SYS1.PARMLIB.
>> 
>> Let me present an example.
>> 1,In hercules.cnf ,LOADPARM=LOADCS.
>>IODF is on OS39M1.
>> 2,Any SYSn.IPLPARM doesn't exist in system.
>> 3,There is a LOADCS member in
>>SYS1.PARMLIB(resident in OS39M1).
>> But I wanna use my own LOADCS
>>member in CENTER.PARMLIB to
>>override it.So I define a parmlib
>>concatenation in CENTER.PARMLIB(LOADCS).
>> 
>> In this case,will the resut be
>>the one I expected? (System uses
>>CENTER.PARMLIB(LOADCS) instead of
>>SYS1.PARMLIB(LOADCS))
>> 
>> To summarize,my question is:
>>Can we override any memeber of
>>SYS1.PARMLIB under any circumstance
>>through parmlib concatenation?
>> Or the case is'No,sometimes some
>>specific member must be in 
>>SYS1.PARMLIB'?
>> 
>> I raised the same question in my last
>>post concerning LOADXX member and 
>>unfortunatly the replies didn't make
>>me understand it.
>> 
>>Expect your kind reply.
>> 
>>Best Regards,
>>Johnny Luo 
>>Dalian,CHINA

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Public Access MVS system

Folks,

 Didn't some one have a "public access" mvs system somewhere? Is it 
still running? I searched the archives to no avail.

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Re: Public Access MVS system

Try http://mvs38j.com

(tracked it down on the Dinos Ring)

Regards,
Charlie
>--- In H390-MVS@..., "David Wade" <dave <at> d...> wrote:
>
> Folks,
> 
>  Didn't some one have a "public access" mvs system somewhere? Is it 
> still running? I searched the archives to no avail.
> 
> Dave.
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