Jim Hall wrote: > I've noticed that traffic on this list has decreased to the point of a > trickle. It's been suggested to me that we try to consolidate lists, > to re-invigorate discussion among FreeDOS developers and focus > discussion to relevant development topics. > > Closing down some of the lists in order to funnel new users into a > common discussion area does seem to be the best move. > > I copied the list traffic stats into a spreadsheet so I could look for > trends. See http://www.freedos.org/jhall/temp/traffic/traffic.png > > > It's pretty clear that freedos-user, freedos-devel, and freedos-32-dev > are the most active lists. The others have declined in traffic since > about Sept 2004, if they had any traffic to speak of. That means the > lists to close down would be freedos-devel-net, freedos-kernel, > freedos-freecom, freedos-cvs, and fd-doc-list. > > So, I'd like to close down freedos-freecom, and just have kernel stuff > go to freedos-devel. What do you think? If you have any objections, > please email me (off-list only ... I'm not subscribed to this list > anymore) and let me know. > > If I don't see any responses within the next week or so, I'll assume > there's no one on this list anymore, and I'll go ahead and close it down. > > -jh > >

> So, I'd like to close down freedos-freecom, and just have kernel stuff > go to freedos-devel. What do you think? If you have any objections, > please email me (off-list only ... I'm not subscribed to this list > anymore) and let me know. > ...

Jim Hall wrote: > ... > >> So, I'd like to close down freedos-freecom, and just have kernel >> stuff go to freedos-devel. What do you think? If you have any >> objections, please email me (off-list only ... I'm not subscribed to >> this list anymore) and let me know. >> ... > > > > D'oh! Silly copy/paste error on my part. > > That should read "... and have all Freecom stuff go to freedos-devel." > > > Sorry about that. > > -jh > >

> Send Freedos-freecom mailing list submissions to > freedos-freecom <at> lists.sourceforge.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-freecom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freedos-freecom-request <at> lists.sourceforge.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freedos-freecom-admin <at> lists.sourceforge.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Freedos-freecom digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. freedos (Geraldo Netto) > 2. freedos (Geraldo Netto) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:23:08 -0300 > From: "Geraldo Netto" <geraldoneto <at> uol.com.br> > To: "freedos-user" <freedos-user <at> lists.sourceforge.net> > Cc: "freedos-devel" <freedos-devel <at> lists.sourceforge.net>, > "freedos-kernel" <freedos-kernel <at> lists.sourceforge.net>, > "freedos-freecom" <freedos-freecom <at> lists.sourceforge.net>, > "fd-doc-list" <fd-doc-list <at> lists.sourceforge.net> > Subject: [Freedos-freecom] freedos > Reply-To: freedos-freecom <at> lists.sourceforge.net > > hi folks, > > i'm geraldo from brazil and this email is a mix of > questions/congratulations > and other things. > > a little introduction of myself > i'm geraldo from brazil as i said above and i'm a huge > freedos fan. > well, i knew freedos a long time ago when it was at beta5 > version. > i'm a student of "information systems" here in brazil and > always that i can > i make some tests for eric. > > so i separated this email in some parts... > congratulation, support eric/jason hood/all developers, > support pcmcia driver, > lucho<>jack (udma driver rules), internationalization/docs, > irc people, > kernel development, distribution, misc > > so here it goes, i hope to be not banished of mailing list :) > > > congratulations > --------------- > wow i think that the freedos people does a nice work :) > my little "try" to contribute to freedos is trying to help > eric, i make some tests for eric always that i can. > > > support eric/jason hood/all developers > -------------------------------------- > please support eric, jason and all others developers > where is bart, lucho, john elliot, jason hood, imre leber, > daniel nagy, > steve nickolas, steffen kaiser, joe cosentino and even where > is Pat Villani? > all those guys made matter on FreeDOS project, of course i'm > missing a lot of > other important names here... > why am i saying it? > We need all developers here, this is why i said "where is" > I'm not saying about eric, jeremy, tom, arkady, jh, bernd, > jlam and other people because they > are already active on FreeDOS development, and i think that > they all love, live, think in FreeDOS > 24h per day, just like me :) > i also like the utilities of jason hood > (http://www.geocities.com/jadoxa/index.html) > this guy does a nice job maintaining shsucdx, lfn driver and > some others > he is like Eric, babysitting softwares :) > so if you can, support him too :) > > > support pcmcia driver > --------------------- > why develop an pcmcia driver for dos? > i think this is a nice thing which can be really usefull > it will extend freedos features and it is like udma drive > for freedos once only freedos have this feature, of course i > know that i can run on other doses but > it does matter once it will be maintained by someone which > develops mainly for freedos > I know that eric, already talked about it. i'm talking about > it again > to know if someone is interested in developing this driver > for freedos > community. I don't know the license, i just know that it was > "donated" by deskwork > (http://www.deskwork.de/) guys that are making an OS written > in pascal AFAIK. > please, if you are interested talk to Eric directly, ok? > > > lucho<>jack (udma driver rules) > ------------------------------- > what happened?(if you allow me to know, of course) > the udma is simply magic :) > it is amazing what udma driver can do for us :) > nice work Lucho and Jack and please, don't fight Lucho/Jack, > FreeDOS community needs both, ok? > > > internationalization/docs > ------------------------- > i Think that we need a "strong" work on documentation. > We need more people working on documentation, i myself > translated some documentation for pt_br but it needs some > revisions... > another important thing is make all FreeDOS documentation > compatible with the linux documentation project > why? > because doing it, we can produce better documentation(follow > standards is good AFAIK...) > and another important thing is submit it to the linux > documentation project > and translating documentation will help a lot people that > doesn't speak english. > doing this FreeDOS will be accessible for everyone > interested, because people will > have a chance to read manuals in your native language. > > > irc people > ---------- > I think that irc is a nice form of communication that can be > better explored, most time when > i join the fd chanel i just see the same guys (i think 5 or > 6) martin stromberg, tassilo, eric and some other > guys that are always there(uhm, sorry people, i don't > remember all names). So why am i saying it? > well, i think that if we have an irc chanel we need to use > it, right? > of course that i know that some of you are married and maybe > have children and wives to care > but if you have some time, please join our chanel, it would > be nice at least talk directly to you > about FreeDOS, i think that it is even better that mailing > list, because it works as a instant messager :) > so talk to people to use irc :) > > > kernel development > ------------------ > what about stop development for a time and revise code > before release > FreeDOS 1.0? > I think that we are near and far at the same time of FD1. > why? > because we already have a (nice) kernel and a (nice too) shell > (Free)DOS is a replacement of DOS, right? > So i think that we need to care about of the "FreeDOS World" > that is check if we already have this utility, develop(or > improve) > I alreay know the all the "todo list" from the "oficial" > todo list > to Eric's todo list and also post FD1. i think that not all > programs > are prepared for internationalization, i don't remember the > name of > the library that make softwares able to work in other language. > there is a long way to make FD1 available... > > > distribution > ------------ > so I think that FreeDOS distribution is nice > and have a lot of features like our GUI installer > This is the first installer for DOS that have a > nice GUI wizard AFAIK :) > good work people :) > but i think that we can "bloat" the FreeDOS distribution > with some interesting softwares so this is my list: > > Partition saving a norton ghost like software but gpl and > for dos :) > http://www.partition-saving.com/ > > dvd4dos > http://doscdroast.freeweb.hu/dvd4dos.htm > > the latest version of arachne(now gpl) > http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ar183gpl/ > > a nice audioplayer, i don't know if it is gpl but it has the > source available > http://mpxplay.cjb.net/ > > ps and pdf viewer with source > http://www.nomdo.dds.nl/psview.htm > > upx > http://upx.sourceforge.net/ > > testdisk > http://www.cgsecurity.org/index.html?testdisk.html > > http://yzonesoft.buildtolearn.net/html/bolitaire.html -> > already know solitaire game > > 4th compiler > http://www.xs4all.nl/~thebeez/4tH/foldtree.html > > yasm > http://www.tortall.net/projects/yasm/ > > chuchunco city 2000 > http://www.lgm.cl/software/ch-city/ > > The Macroassembler AS > http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/as/download.html > > freevikings > http://freevikings.wz.cz/index.php > > open gladiator > http://snowstorm.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/site.cgi?page=3Dopenglad > > vavoom, a doom engine > http://freshmeat.net/projects/vavoom/ > > ltools > http://www.it.fht-esslingen.de/~zimmerma/software/ltools.html > > Z80-ASM > http://wwwhomes.uni-bielefeld.de/achim/z80-asm.html > > a lot of lynks and other ports > http://www.rahul.net/dkaufman/ > > Binary vIEW > http://biew.sourceforge.net/ > > syslinux, our old friend :) > http://syslinux.zytor.com/ > > the utilities of jason hood > (http://www.geocities.com/jadoxa/index.html) > > > misc > ---- > i think that freedos need a plan, please note that i'm not > saying > that freedos is not structured, i'm just saying that it is > important to > plan something(please, don't not define time to make things > it will just > disturb the development) > > is possible to implement a virtualfilesystem layer on > freedos kernel? > with a vfs layer freedos would be able to support others > filesystems. > what about port squashfs (http://squashfs.sourceforge.net/) > to freedos? > squashfs is a smart read-only fs. and extending it (making > this vfs layer) > we will be able to make other nice things like read/write > raw files > and then mount raw files/isos :) > what about put a "loopback" support in together with vfs > like in linux? > it is another interesting thing > > what do you think about create a hardware abstraction layer > on freedos kernel? > it is interesting to make freedos "portable" to others > architectures > > i like arkady's optimization but i think that > first we need to revise the kernel code before > sending to arkady, ok for you, arkady? > > michael does a nice job with emm386/himem > and martin stromberg did a nice job too a long time ago... > now, what about both working on emm386/himem? > > bernd where can i find the md5 of fdbeta9 sr1? > > what about put fdodin as little "replacement" of fd distro? > just like livecds, knoppix is a "little" (and nice) > replacement of debian > with everything that users uses :) > > > again, Thanks for this incredible piece of software! > and keep this good work :) > > Regards, > Geraldo > > ps: let me know if i wrote something wrong, ok? > pss: who is brazilian here? is there anyone here? > psss: ah, let me know if i said something which made someone > anger > pssss: like Jim Hall says: > " -- > I'm sorry my president's an idiot. I didn't vote for him." > i can say the same for "Lula" the president of Brazil... > I think that i can use this msg once everything here is GLP :) > =0A =0A__________________________________________________________________= > ________=0AAcabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela.=0AAntiPop-= > up UOL - =C9 gr=E1tis!=0Ahttp://antipopup.uol.com.br/=0A > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:03:28 -0300 > From: "Geraldo Netto" <geraldoneto <at> uol.com.br> > To: "freedos-user" <freedos-user <at> lists.sourceforge.net> > Cc: "freedos-devel" <freedos-devel <at> lists.sourceforge.net>, > "freedos-kernel" <freedos-kernel <at> lists.sourceforge.net>, > "freedos-freecom" <freedos-freecom <at> lists.sourceforge.net>, > "fd-doc-list" <fd-doc-list <at> lists.sourceforge.net> > Subject: [Freedos-freecom] freedos > Reply-To: freedos-freecom <at> lists.sourceforge.net > > Hi folks, > > Some updates > > Some Eric's comments/suggestions: > > >Hi, could you tell all lists that the discussion / saga > >continues on freedos-user? I am on freedos-user, freedos-devel > >and freedos-kernel, not on freedos-freecom or fd-doc-list, and > >the latter are pretty quiet at the moment anyway, because we > >have no dedicated doc workers right now (except maybe Johnson > >and Fox) and because Steffen cannot do much for FreeCOM at the > >moment either. Only few people, like Erwin and Jeremy, can > >compile FreeCOM at all. > > So could you redirect the answers to > freedos-useratlists.sourceforge.net (please change at -> @) > once most people are on freedos-user :) > > and all kind of answers are welcome :)=0A =0A____________________________= > ______________________________________________=0AAcabe com aquelas janeli= > nhas que pulam na sua tela.=0AAntiPop-up UOL - =C9 gr=E1tis!=0Ahttp://ant= > ipopup.uol.com.br/=0A > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Freedos-freecom mailing list > Freedos-freecom <at> lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-freecom > > > End of Freedos-freecom Digest

>Hi, could you tell all lists that the discussion / saga >continues on freedos-user? I am on freedos-user, freedos-devel >and freedos-kernel, not on freedos-freecom or fd-doc-list, and >the latter are pretty quiet at the moment anyway, because we >have no dedicated doc workers right now (except maybe Johnson >and Fox) and because Steffen cannot do much for FreeCOM at the >moment either. Only few people, like Erwin and Jeremy, can >compile FreeCOM at all.

> Jim: > > I have recently moved to a group that uses imaging and focuses on > Windows and Linux, so I will have less occasion to use FreeDos. > However, I am still interested in your project. I feel that there is a > long life for DOS as an Automation tool. > > I have one suggestion that I think would greatly improve FreeDOS's debug > capabilities. Of course, I am aware of the command /y /c filename > option, but this can be tedious to traverse. > > In my batch files, I use the following construct > > At the top of each batch file: > >> SET TEMP_BAT=CURR_BAT >> SET CURR_BAT=<name of batch file> >> >> IF "%TRACE%"=="" SET TRACE=FALSE >> IF "%TRACE%"=="HEADER" SET DEBUG=FALSE >> IF "%TRACE%"=="INTO" SET DEBUG=TRUE >> IF "%TRACE%"=="FALSE" SET DEBUG=FALSE >> >> IF "%TRACE%"=="HEADER" ECHO executing %CURR_BAT%... >> IF "%TRACE%"=="HEADER" PAUSE > > Then at each label, I set something like this: > >> :LABEL1 >> SET LABEL=LABEL1 >> IF "%DEBUG%"=="TRUE" ECHO %LABEL% Label in %CURR_BAT%... >> IF "%DEBUG%"=="TRUE" PAUSE > > At the end of the batch file, I have: > >> :END >> SET LABEL=END >> IF "%DEBUG%"=="TRUE" ECHO %LABEL% Label in %CURR_BAT%... >> IF "%DEBUG%"=="TRUE" PAUSE >> SET CURR_BAT=TEMP_BAT >> SET TEMP_BAT= > > By doing this, I can set TRACE=FALSE and process normally. > I can set TRACE=HEADER and only pause at the beginning of each batch file > I can set TRACE=INTO and stop on each label, but not on each line. > > With this process, I add labels to critical areas of the batch file that > are not even involved in branching and add statements such as the > following to determine how environment variables were set at this point > in time. > >> :LABEL2 >> SET LABEL=LABEL2 >> IF "%DEBUG%"=="TRUE" ECHO %LABEL% Label in %CURR_BAT%... >> IF "%DEBUG%"=="TRUE" ECHO ENV_VAR1: %ENV_VAR1% >> IF "%DEBUG%"=="TRUE" ECHO ENV_VAR2: %ENV_VAR2% >> IF "%DEBUG%"=="TRUE" PAUSE > > Of course, this is only as effective as my ability to type these > commands properly. My debug code can go awry with the > simplest typo. > > What I'd like to see in FreeDOS is a small amount of code added to each > pass through the execution of a line of batch code based on some > command-line options or some way of setting something like: > > /T:NP - Display name of Batch file with no pause (when a batch file is > executed) > /T:P - Display name of Batch file and pause (when a batch file is > executed) > /T:LP - Display current label with no pause (when a label is encountered) > /T:LP - Display current label and pause (when a label is encountered) > > My desire is to be able to pause the code at the top of each batch file > and display the batch file name, with or without a pause. (Really, I > would always pause in this mode. I just add the nopause for unforseen > needs). I would also like to be able to set a flag that steps through > each label and displays the name, without stopping on every line of > code. These are very helpful in debugging, when I have typed them > correctly. > > What would really be great then, but probably not doable, would be some > command to dump the current environment variables at that point in time, > if the right key were pressed. > > TO me, the virtually non-existent nature of debugging tools is the > greatest shortcoming of DOS. If you have large batch files (and I have > many that are 500 to 2500 lines long), this is the single greatest > impediment to using DOS effectively. > > I know you try to keep compatibility with MS-DOS, but it seems like it > would not take much to add this display of label functionality. > > Think about it, and again, thanks for this great contribution to the DOS > community. > > Bryan Nahrwold > Quality Assurance Engineer