Iain Brown Douglas | 21 Nov 01:09 2014

Testing Sugar Activities Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21_Beta-4

Thank you for all the work put into this new version of Sugar on a
Stick.

In brief testing, Sugar on a Stick prepared on a USB stick with
Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21_Beta-4.iso seems to run mostly as expected.

Help is not available from any tested Activity's icon in the Frame.
Help 17.2 does not start, reports "Help Failed to Start".

Speak  48, works in "type some text" mode. In "ask a question" mode
Alice always replies "I do not understand what you are talking about"

Memorize 48, does not start, reports "Memorize Failed to Start".

Etoys 116 fails.
A dialog "Cannot find image file: squeak, did you run 'initsqueak -m'?"
is seen, followed by a "Sorry, best to abandon" (or similar) message.

        Alternatively, 
        [liveuser <at> localhost ~]$ inisqueak -m
        No default image, looking for alternatives...

        I could not find an image to install.
        Did you install squeak-image?
        Please check your Squeak installation.

In the second case Etoys opens, rapidly becomes unusable, and will
will not close with Stop button,

I have attached logs from the 4 Activities.
(Continue reading)

Sean DALY | 29 Apr 22:52 2014
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SoaS 10 liveinst OK but two questions

Hi Peter et. al.,

I successfully booted an Asus netbook with SoaS 10 from an optical disk, then did a liveinst and installed to hard disk.

Sugar works great but I have two questions:

1) Is it possible to install the GNOME desktop too?

2) I have been unable to get my 3G USB card to work. I am fairly sure this card has worked with other machines under Sugar.

thanks

Sean


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Iain Brown Douglas | 16 Apr 19:25 2014

Re: [Sugar-devel] Recommendations for running Sugar on standard hardware (non-XOs)?


On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 18:53 +0700, Sam Parkinson wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> Cool tutorial! Sorry about the crashes, I think I have found some of
> the issues but will have to look further. (I committed some fixes to
> the git though). Also now I see which bits of the ui are confusing so
> I will fix that.

I see that I need to use max 800x600 images.

If I wanted to remove all the <h1></h1> from every slide I should do it
more carefully. I did wonder if <h1></h1> is *required*, but I think
not. I should get all the words saved, before adding images. The
opposite of what I tried!

I am guessing that the "Style" must be decided and set, before starting
work.

I am not sure how to optimise the location of the images before starting
work.

When you brought up the subject, I had been playing with Sugarizing
http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/Slidy2/Overview.html#%281%29 - it would
probably be a long time before *I* had it ready to share though!
> 
> [Now on topic]
> I was just wondering, can that command you used be used to move it to
> the hdd? I think the installing to the hdd is what we need. Anyway I
> will setup a virtual box an give it a go (don't worry, I will not
> forget this time).

I am not sure if I have tried that, I imagine it would work. An
advantage of a hdd install is that, I think, the uncompressed image
*sometimes* seems to handle auto-saving the Journal better. In my
experience you need more patience with a USB stick than with hdd
install.

Liveinst is the command I would use for a hdd install.

hdd install is good for using an old "spare" machine, but I think that
the philosophy of a child having their very own learning environment by
a USB stick is one I would like to try to make more easy for new sugar
learners.

Iain
> 
> Sam
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Iain Brown Douglas
> <iain <at> browndouglas.plus.com> wrote:
>         On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 23:07 +0100, Iain Brown Douglas wrote:
>         > On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 20:54 +0000, Sam Parkinson wrote:
>         > > Hi,
>         > >
>         > > I think we need to make a really simple tutorial and put
>         it on the
>         > > wiki home page. Just something with the link to the iso
>         and lots of
>         > > screenshots :)
>         > >
>         > > I might have a go on the weekend.
>         
>         
>          <at> Sam Slides 1 is splendid for this job, well done.
>         
>         I had a first run, which produced this: http://is.gd/0kbeMZ
>         It is unfinished of course, but this number of slides seemed
>         to crash
>         3GB of RAM, and the images seem to prevent saving to Journal
>         in SoaS. I
>         will report when I understand why!
>         
>         I will re-work it, and probably shorten it. Next time I will
>         deliver
>         commands straight from the Slide presentation.
>         
>         Any other feedback welcome!
>         
>         > >
>         > > Or maybe we could try to make and 'install' activity for
>         soas?
>         
>         
>         A script.py to identify and unmount the USB stick and create
>         the
>         appropriate command, could be a first step. I wonder if the
>         script could
>         then be delivered by this sort of presentation?
>         
>         
>         >
>         > Both very good ideas, to which I have been giving thought.
>         >
>         > It would be good to fix a "single" method to document - my
>         vote would be
>         > for along the lines of [1]. It would be good to have
>         comments on whether
>         > this "suits all".
>         
>         
>         :"-) (Suits all) as in, meets a reasonably high proportion of
>         use cases.
>         
>         Iain
>         
>         
>         > [1]
>         >
>         http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/Sugar_on_a_Stick_Persistence
>         >
>         >
>         > Iain
>         >
>         >
>         > >
>         > > Sam
>         > >
>         > > On Apr 9, 2014 4:17 AM, "Thomas Gilliard"
>         <satellitgo <at> gmail.com>
>         > > wrote:
>         > >
>         > >         On 4/8/2014 9:39 AM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
>         > >
>         > >         > Hi David,
>         > >         >
>         > >         >
>         > >         > thanks for the link.
>         > >         >
>         > >         >
>         > >         > Given that this page was last updated back in
>         2012 I'm
>         > >         > wondering whether anyone knows if the
>         instructions are still
>         > >         > up-to-date and working?
>         > >         >
>         > >         >
>         > >
>         > >         In general this is still valid. Anaconda - the
>         fedora
>         > >         installer has changed but is still accessed from
>         root terminal
>         > >         in the listview of f3 ( sugar-desktop and SoaS.)
>         of F20 [1]
>         > >         and F21 (rawhide) [2]  with "liveinst'.
>         > >
>         > >         Tom Gilliard
>         > >         satellit
>         > >
>         > >         [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_20
>         > >         [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_21
>         > >         > Cheers,
>         > >         > Christoph
>         > >         >
>         > >         >
>         > >         > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:19 AM, David Beveridge
>         > >         > <bevhost <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>         > >         >         I would try this method..,
>         > >         >
>         > >         >
>         http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Tutorials/Installation/Install_with_liveinst
>         > >         >
>         > >         >         On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:36 AM,
>         Christoph Derndorfer
>         > >         >         <christoph.derndorfer <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>         > >         >         > Hey everyone,
>         > >         >         >
>         > >         >         > a guy I know wants to set up a couple
>         of older
>         > >         >         laptops with Sugar in a sort
>         > >         >         > of "learning lab" in Germany and asked
>         me what the
>         > >         >         best route for doing that
>         > >         >         > was. Since I haven't dabbled in that
>         area in quite
>         > >         >         a while I'm not sure what
>         > >         >         > the best recommendations are these
>         days:
>         > >         >         >
>         > >         >         > * using the SoaS version from late
>         December?
>         > >         >         > * installing Fedora 20 and running
>         Sugar on top of
>         > >         >         that?
>         > >         >         > * something entirely different?
>         > >         >         >
>         > >         >         > Any comments, suggestions, links, etc.
>         would be
>         > >         >         much appreciated.
>         > >         >         >
>         > >         >         > Thanks,
>         > >         >         > Christoph
>         > >         >         >
>         > >         >         > --
>         > >         >         > Christoph Derndorfer
>         > >         >         >
>         > >         >         > volunteer, OLPC (Austria)
>         [www.olpc.at]
>         > >         >         > editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com]
>         > >         >         > co-founder, TechnikBasteln®
>         > >         >         [www.technikbasteln.net]
>         > >         >         >
>         > >         >         > e-mail: christoph <at> derndorfer.eu
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Christoph Derndorfer | 11 Apr 17:00 2014
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Running Fedora 20 with Sugar on a Chromebook?

Hi all,

because the question came up over drinks last night and now again at lunch here in Paris I was wondering whether anyone here has tried installing Fedora 20 with Sugar on a Chromebook?

I've done some research and you can find some good information about installing Arch Linux on a Chromebook as well as some partial information plus scripts for getting Fedora to run on an Acer's Intel-based D720 (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=295596). Apparently the results are quite good.

Anyway, curious to see whether anyone has any experiences beyond what's currently documented on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Advanced_Topics#Chromebook?

Cheers,
Christoph

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Christoph Derndorfer | 7 Apr 20:36 2014
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Recommendations for running Sugar on standard hardware (non-XOs)?

Hey everyone,

a guy I know wants to set up a couple of older laptops with Sugar in a sort of "learning lab" in Germany and asked me what the best route for doing that was. Since I haven't dabbled in that area in quite a while I'm not sure what the best recommendations are these days:

* using the SoaS version from late December?
* installing Fedora 20 and running Sugar on top of that?
* something entirely different?

Any comments, suggestions, links, etc. would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Christoph

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Walter Bender | 3 Apr 21:27 2014
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Fwd: [Localization] i need help to install Sugar...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: abd elrhman ayman <abdxelrhman@...>
Date: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:28 PM
Subject: [Localization] i need help to install Sugar...
To: localization list olpc <localization@...>

i just downloaded sugar 32bit, burned it into a USB, now when i boot i
don't know how to open the installation manager so i can install it in
the Hard rather than keep opening in the live mode?

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Sean DALY | 22 Jan 17:34 2014
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SoaS review article

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Daniel Narvaez | 17 Dec 21:47 2013
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Write failure to save (Re: SoaS v10 Test Compose 3)

On 27 November 2013 11:48, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Fedora is now in Freeze locking down for release so we're into bugfix
only mode but if we could get a fix soon for things like the Write
save to journal bug we should be able to land it in time.

This is at least part of the problem

I have not tried the patch on Write but if I remove from Write the code which calls that method, saving works most of the time... When it fails, it fails silently, so more debugging will be necessary to figure out what is going on in those cases.
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Peter Robinson | 27 Nov 11:48 2013
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SoaS v10 Test Compose 3

Hi All,

For those that are following along and testing the new SoaS release
there's a new test compose out. It has a number of fixes in and Write
should be back in the build by default.

Fedora is now in Freeze locking down for release so we're into bugfix
only mode but if we could get a fix soon for things like the Write
save to journal bug we should be able to land it in time.

Both ARM and x86 images can be grabbed here:
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-TC3/Images/armhfp/
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-TC3/Live/

Peter
Jean THIERY | 21 Nov 23:40 2013

SoaS v10 testing with activities not included in the standard distribution

Dear colleagues,

Below, yo will find different tests of SoaS v10
with activities not included in the standard distribution.

7 activities cannot be installed.
The error message makes reference to
[sugar3.bundle.bundle.MalFormedBundleException]

Many activities cannot start.
Some start then stop.

[ok] corresponds only to simple tests.
Systematic tests were not performed.

I may try to send log messages as soon as possible.

Soon on Internet,

Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]

================================================================
List of Activities used by OLPC-France projects
================================================================

This list presents activities
- used by OLPC-France
   http://olpc-france.org/blog/category/nosy-komba/
- and not included in SoaS-10.

These activities are sorted in different categories.

*Gcompris* (not in SoaS 10)

gcompris-17.xo [ok except for 2 missing images]
gcompris-18.xo [does not start]

*Essential activities* (not in SoaS 10)

jukebox-26.xo [ok]
jukebox-32.xo [does not start]

read_92.xo  [does not start]
read_111.xo [reads texts but displays errors]

read_etexts-24.xo [to be checked]
read_etexts-26.xo [to be checked]

write_79 [does not start]
write_94 [does not start]

*Child activities* (not in SoaS 10)

aide-5.xo [cannot be installed]
[sugar3.bundle.bundle.MalFormedBundleException]

appel_haken-24.xo [ok]

arithmetic-2.xo [cannot be installed]
[sugar3.bundle.bundle.MalFormedBundleException]

colors-15.xo [cannot be installed]
[sugar3.bundle.bundle.MalFormedBundleException]

falabracman-1.xo [cannot be installed]
[sugar3.bundle.bundle.MalFormedBundleException]

fractionbounce-14.xo [ok]
fractionbounce-21.xo [ok]

geoquiz-5.xo [loads then stops]

implode-12.xo [loads then stops]

madagascar-2.xo [cannot be installed]
[sugar3.bundle.bundle.MalFormedBundleException]

ooo4kidsfr-3.xo [does not start]

reflection-8.xo [ok]
reflection-13.xo [ok]

ruler-24.xo [ok]
ruler-31.xo [ok]

tuxmath-2.xo [cannot be installed]
[sugar3.bundle.bundle.MalFormedBundleException]

words-17.xo [ok]

*Specialized activities* (not in SoaS 10)

distance-32.xo [ok]

drgeo-1204.xo [ok]

geogebra_6 [ok]

helloworld-3 [ok]
helloworld-6 [ok]

measure-49.xo [ok]

scratch-23.xo [does not start]

soma-25 [ok]

sugar-commander-8.xo [cannot be installed]
[sugar3.bundle.bundle.MalFormedBundleException]

tamtamedit-67.xo [does not start]

tamtamjam-67.xo [does not start]

tamtammini-67.xo [does not start]

tamtamsynthlab-67.xo [does not start]

*HTML5 Activities* (developed by Lionel Laské)

abecedarium-4.xo [ok]

foodchain-3.xo [does not start]

grid_paint-1.xo [ok]

last_one_loses_activity-1.xo [starts but stops]

markdown-3.xo [ok]

*Encyclopedic activities* (not in SoaS 10

simple_english_wikipedia-37.1.xo [ok]

wikipediafr-36.xo [ok]

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Jerry Vonau | 21 Nov 14:26 2013
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[Patch] Missing dependencies - sugar

Hi All:

On SoaS ever wonder why you can't view other SoaSs or XOs on your local
lan once you delete "My Setting" -> "Network" -> "Server:" <value>? Well
for that to work sugar needs to have avahi-tools installed. This really
is a requirement of sugar and should not rely on the build-system to
provide that dependency. Patch to sugar.spec attached.

Jerry
Attachment (avahi.diff): text/x-patch, 267 bytes
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