forster | 1 Sep 01:07 2010
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Re: [DESIGN] Etoys 4.1

Sugar's autosave can be a problem in other Activities too.
Create a program in Pippy, then look at one of the examples. All your work will be overwritten. There is
nothing you can do to prevent this, not even a panic powerdown. I have viewed a favourite holiday photo in
Browse, then used that Browse session to surf the net, overwriting that photo (can't replicate that now OS373pyg).

I would be happy to have a global setting in control panel for all Activities for autosave vs a dialogue which
gave a choice on exit. Would that break existing Activities?

Though there is a case for autosave for raw beginners, its contrary to Sugar's goal of empowering users to
give them no control of when saving occurs.

Tony

> On 31.08.2010, at 20:07, Gary Martin wrote:
> 
> > Hi Vert,
> > 
> > On 30 Aug 2010, at 10:50, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> > 
> >> This is the first beta release of Etoys 4.1.
> >> 
> >> The biggest change is that stopping the Etoys activity will no longer save to the Journal. To save, you
will have to press the keep button. The octagonal stop button is replaced by a circular exit button to
indicate the new behavior. It puts up a warning before actually quitting.
> > 
> > :-(( but I'm sure this was a really tough decision to make.
> > 
> > Do you have a screen shot of the new UI and warning dialogue that I can easily take a look at?
> > 
> > My first gut reaction (not having seen it yet) is that the Keep button is a real problem generally (and
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Read in Fedora 14

It lives.... well it will do in updates testing as of tomorrow's
compose. The appropriate update that needs your attention (and
positive karma) is:

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/gnome-python2-desktop-2.31.1-5.fc14

So with luck SoaS 4 should have a working eReader.....

Cheers,
Peter
Walter Bender | 1 Sep 01:49 2010
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Re: [DESIGN] Etoys 4.1

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:07 PM,  <forster <at> ozonline.com.au> wrote:
> Sugar's autosave can be a problem in other Activities too.
> Create a program in Pippy, then look at one of the examples. All your work will be overwritten. There is
nothing you can do to prevent this, not even a panic powerdown. I have viewed a favourite holiday photo in
Browse, then used that Browse session to surf the net, overwriting that photo (can't replicate that now OS373pyg).
>
> I would be happy to have a global setting in control panel for all Activities for autosave vs a dialogue
which gave a choice on exit. Would that break existing Activities?
>
> Though there is a case for autosave for raw beginners, its contrary to Sugar's goal of empowering users to
give them no control of when saving occurs.
>
> Tony
>
>
>> On 31.08.2010, at 20:07, Gary Martin wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Vert,
>> >
>> > On 30 Aug 2010, at 10:50, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>> >
>> >> This is the first beta release of Etoys 4.1.
>> >>
>> >> The biggest change is that stopping the Etoys activity will no longer save to the Journal. To save, you
will have to press the keep button. The octagonal stop button is replaced by a circular exit button to
indicate the new behavior. It puts up a warning before actually quitting.
>> >
>> > :-(( but I'm sure this was a really tough decision to make.
>> >
>> > Do you have a screen shot of the new UI and warning dialogue that I can easily take a look at?
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James Cameron | 1 Sep 01:49 2010

Re: slow animation performance when moving the mouse

I've not looked at your video or source, but there is a substantial
difference in context switching between a call to get_pointer versus
using motion_notify_event.

get_pointer should be one round trip to the X server.  The application
will only execute when it wants to.

motion_notify_event is a stream of events from the X server.  When using
that, every move of the mouse results in execution of the application.

(If the application lags behind the event stream, e.g. by not processing
the whole stream before doing the next graphics operation, then some
interesting symptoms result.)

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Frederick Grose | 1 Sep 02:54 2010
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Re: [DESIGN] Etoys 4.1

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:07 PM, <forster <at> ozonline.com.au> wrote:
Sugar's autosave can be a problem in other Activities too.
Create a program in Pippy, then look at one of the examples. All your work will be overwritten. There is nothing you can do to prevent this, not even a panic powerdown.

In an activity like this, having the capability for multiple, independent views would be helpful.  See this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-devel <at> lists.sugarlabs.org/msg15306.html
 
I have viewed a favourite holiday photo in Browse, then used that Browse session to surf the net, overwriting that photo

This sounds like a bug.  But having tabs available would have probably avoided the loss.

       --Fred
 
(can't replicate that now OS373pyg).

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Luke Faraone | 1 Sep 03:11 2010

Re: code for register widget

On 08/28/2010 05:02 AM, usr <at> dev.seeta.in wrote:
> Ref to LP bug #617813:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/617813
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am working on this bug, and I want to go through the code for register
> widget and the processes it carries out with the networking interface
> also.
> But after going through a lot of files in sugar-0.88 package source, I
> wasn't able to get near to it.
> 
> It would be great if somebody can provide pointers regarding it.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Dipankar
> 
> 

I haven't the faintest idea.

This would probably be a good question to ask on the sugar-devel mailing
list. CCing them on this reply.

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On 08/28/2010 05:02 AM, usr <at> dev.seeta.in wrote:
> Ref to LP bug #617813:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/617813
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am working on this bug, and I want to go through the code for register
> widget and the processes it carries out with the networking interface
> also.
> But after going through a lot of files in sugar-0.88 package source, I
> wasn't able to get near to it.
> 
> It would be great if somebody can provide pointers regarding it.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Dipankar
> 
> 

I haven't the faintest idea.

This would probably be a good question to ask on the sugar-devel mailing
list. CCing them on this reply.

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S Page | 1 Sep 03:59 2010
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wanting to try recent Sugar, problems

I have an XO-1 running OLPC's build os852 (10.1.2 release candidate
that incorporates Sugar 0.84.16) and a desktop PC running Kubuntu
Lucid 10.04.

I wanted to see how the library and Browse work in recent Sugar. I
downloaded the weekly testing soas-i386-20100826.15.iso from
<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Beta>

* I tried booting a Fedora VirtualBox machine from this .iso. After
network manager eth0 configuration messages the screen stays black for
hours.  garycmartin on IRC had the same experience, thought it might
be a gfx issue between Fedora and VirtualBox.

* Can an XO-1 boot from this .iso if I turn it into a Live USB?
Supposedly the F13 glibc incompatibility with Geode was fixed  in July
( <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=579838> -- great stuff
from "Dont Close Unfixed Bugs" who must be John Gilmore in a mask ;-)
).

* I tried to get Sugar jhbuild to work on Kubuntu several months ago,
I never succeeded and it left me with package incompatibility
difficulties.

Any suggestions?  Ideally my PC environment would continue running and
I don't lose my OLPC build.

Thanks,
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Tomeu Vizoso | 1 Sep 09:42 2010

Re: loading ttf fonts in a sugar activity

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 21:20, Erik Blankinship <erikb <at> mediamods.com> wrote:
> I am wondering if there is a sugar activity which loads in custom ttf fonts?
> The almanac does not provide an example
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac/Pango#How_do_I_control_the_appearance_of_fonts_on_a_Pango_layout.3F
> ...but a google search suggests it should be possible with pango.  Does
> anyone have any experience with embedding fonts into a sugar activity?  I
> would be happy to write it up into the almanac for others benefit once I
> figure it out.

Doesn't seem to be possible to load a bundled font with pango at this
moment: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347237

But this hack seems to work, though you are not using Pango and you
may miss some of its most advanced features:
http://cairographics.org/freetypepython/

Regards,

Tomeu

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Tomeu Vizoso | 1 Sep 09:58 2010

Re: code for register widget

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 03:11, Luke Faraone <luke <at> faraone.cc> wrote:
> On 08/28/2010 05:02 AM, usr <at> dev.seeta.in wrote:
>> Ref to LP bug #617813:
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/617813
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am working on this bug, and I want to go through the code for register
>> widget and the processes it carries out with the networking interface
>> also.
>> But after going through a lot of files in sugar-0.88 package source, I
>> wasn't able to get near to it.
>>
>> It would be great if somebody can provide pointers regarding it.

Hi Dipankar,

whenever I want to find out which code is related to a string
displayed in the UI, I grep the relevant modules for that string in
this way:

$ cd /opt/sugar-jhbuild/source/sugar
$ git grep Register

Hope that helps,

Tomeu

>>
>> Regards,
>> Dipankar
>>
>>
>
> I haven't the faintest idea.
>
> This would probably be a good question to ask on the sugar-devel mailing
> list. CCing them on this reply.
>
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Asiri Gunarathna | 1 Sep 10:10 2010
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Sugarbot on OLPC Sugarlabs

Hi all,

We are trying to run Sugarbot on OLPC Sugarlabs. we use to refer "sugarbot OLPC Sugar GUI automation project" (http://code.google.com/p/sugarbot/wiki/RunningSugarbot), but I cannot install Sugarbot on OLPC.reason the instructions provided by the above site , Is not clear enough for me.

I use olpc xo 1.5 OS 851 firmware q3a50, please give necessary  advice to install Sugarbot.

Looking forward to hear from you.


Thanks,
Regards,
Asiri.


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