Jean Weber | 29 Jun 02:17 2015
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Re: Where is everyone?

Release Candidate 2 is available here:
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/?type=mac-x86_64&version=5.0.0&lang=en-US

Scroll down to find links to other operating systems (Windows, Linux).

Most chapters need to be updated from v4.2 to v5.0. Get them from here:
http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.4

After updating, put them here:
http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-5.0

You're looking for what's new and what's changed, as well as any
errors in the existing material. Some info about v5.0 is here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.0
But not everything gets mentioned on that list, and the layout of many
dialogs has changed, some buttons have been renamed, and many menu
items are in different places: lots to look for when using the
program.

--Jean

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Kevin O'Brien <zwilnik2 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, I hope this is an intelligent question. It looks like the focus is
> on the Getting Started Guide for LO 5.0, which has not been released
> yet. I should be able to work on a chapter, but I don't have LO 5.0
> yet. Is there a beta site I should download it from? Is the idea to
> review it for accuracy?
>
> Thanks,
>
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Milos Sramek | 28 Jun 18:47 2015
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The workfloaw

Hi,

I find the overview tables at
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks
to be good, but I still do not know how to proceed - where to get files
from, where to place new versions to and what exactly to do.
Therefore I suggest to specify details of the workflow. I think that
this would help and would speed up the process.

My proposal is to maintain an overview table as that in
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks
and a folder structure in http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english
(/getting-started/draft-lo-5.0 in case of the GS guide 5.0) which
corresponds to the columns of the table. If one wants to work on a
document, he/she should get its most recent version from the
corresponding folder, adds a notice to the "Checkout" column and, once
finished, save the updated version in the folder corresponding to the
next column of the table, make a notice in that column and remove the
checkout notice. 

I suggest the following columns (and folders):

1. *Source document*: A document which is just a copy of the published
one of the previous LO version. Eventually it is a modified version, as
now, when templates have been updated by Jean. There are no content
changes with respect to its source.
2. *Content updated*: Content update according to release notes,
eventually other content changes. Author leaves a note where more work
is required. The author checks the Figures and leaves a note, when
figure update is necessary.
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Jean Weber | 28 Jun 09:48 2015
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Re: Intro and some questions

I'm glad you did send it here. It's useful feedback.

Your other note is also very useful. Thanks. It's long past time for
the project to look carefully at the intersection of what users want
and what we can provide.

FWIW, some other history: the main reasons we've been focusing on the
user guides are (a) it was relatively quick and easy to convert the
pre-existing OpenOffice.org guides to LibreOffice; and (b) the main
contributors have been very book-oriented, so that's what we keep
doing.

--Jean

On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 12:23 PM, David Allen <daa.libre <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
> Sorry, I meant to send my last email to the users group, not here. I will
> send it there now.
> David

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David Allen | 28 Jun 05:33 2015
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Intro and some questions

Hi all,

 Below (far below) is a compilation of answers to several questions I had
about LibreOffice's documentation and processes. I have a few remarks at
this time (more later):

 A couple of people (those from the User group as well), talked about
video. I have to say that I think that thinking about Video is way beyond
our capacity in terms of resources. As has been said over and over by those
who responded, there is just too much to do and too few people to do it.
(But I, of course, understand that anyone can do whatever pleases them in
this environment.)

 There's been lots said about translation and L10N. Seriously, I'm not sure
what points were being made. In my view, we as the documentation team ought
do everything we can to make translation as available and efficient as we
can, but that is the extent of our work concerning it.

 I have one specific question that maybe someone can answer for me. Someone
said, “* Excluding people whose legal residence is in a jurisdiction that
prohibits them to do these tasks, unless they are being paid to do so.”
What does that mean? Someone somewhere in the world would be legally
prohibited from volunteering? In any case, I would think that, if that were
the case, that's not our concern or responsibility. It would be the
volunteers. We can't police that.

 I have been working on the “UsingAssistiveTechnologyInLO” doc. And I am
finding that information on LibreOffice is widely scattered. So far, I've
found info on Assistive Tech in the following locations. (I know many (most
probably) of you know this. I just want to bring it up.)
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David Allen | 28 Jun 04:23 2015
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Intro and some questions

Hi All,
Sorry, I meant to send my last email to the users group, not here. I will
send it there now.
David

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David Allen | 28 Jun 04:16 2015
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Intro and some questions

Hi All,

 Sorry, but this is a rather long email. It's a loose compilation of
answers to the following four questions:

 1) Does anyone EVER look at the pdf documentation? If not, why not?

2) Does anyone EVER click the F1 key for help? If not, why not?

3) Do you see any overall issues concerning the documentation?

4) If the presentation of the documentation were to change to make it more
useful, what would it look like?

 I've compiled them in a more easily readable format (rather than being
spread out over many emails) so that anyone can read through them quickly,
more easily see if anything is missing, and, as I said before, even repeat
what is already there. Again, I don't mind the repetition. Repetition only
adds weight to the answers. In other words, if you have something to say,
please say it.

 Thanks for all the responses already given.

 The following is compiled in no particular order.

(If you're going to respond, could you do so in a manner so that your
responses are easy to distinguish from other text. Email can look so
muddled here sometimes. Not sure how you can do that. Just a thought.
Thanks.)

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Jean Weber | 28 Jun 04:03 2015
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Fwd: Where is everyone?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: *Peter Goggin* <petergoggin <at> bigpond.com>
Date: Sunday, June 28, 2015
Subject: Where is everyone?
To: Jean Weber <jeanweber <at> gmail.com>

On 27/06/15 15:27, Jean Weber wrote:

> I'm still waiting for a few more people to emerge from this mailing
> list and actually do some reviewing/updating work on a user guide, or
> at least ask some intelligent questions about the process.
>
> --Jean
>
>  Is this documentation on all parts of the LibreOffice suite ?

My main interest is in databases and I have done some reviewing in the
past. I had to stop because of some minor strokes, however the effects of
these seem to have virtually gone.  I would be happy to start looking at
the data base documentation again if this would help.

Regards

Peter Goggin

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Jean Weber | 28 Jun 01:04 2015
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Fwd: Where is everyone?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rui C Correia <rui.correia <at> ine.pt>
Date: Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Where is everyone?
To: Jean Weber <jeanweber <at> gmail.com>

Hi Jean

I'm here and I'll be ready to help after 21.07. (not before because of
professional matters)
I'm working in a PT-PT guide as I did before but if needed I may also
help in EN edition.

Rui C Correia

----- Mensagem original -----
De: "Jean Weber" <jeanweber <at> gmail.com>
Para: Documentation <at> global.libreoffice.org
Enviadas: Sábado, 27 De Junho de 2015 6:27:50
Assunto: [libreoffice-documentation] Where is everyone?

I'm still waiting for a few more people to emerge from this mailing
list and actually do some reviewing/updating work on a user guide, or
at least ask some intelligent questions about the process.

--Jean

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Dave Barton | 27 Jun 16:53 2015
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Re: Getting Started Chapter 2 (Setting up LO)

-------- Original Message  --------
From: Jean Weber
To: Dave Barton <<db <at> tasit.net>>Libreoffice Documentation
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:23:17 +1000

> I've been through this chapter and marked items that need to be
> checked, verified, written or revised. Most pictures need to be
> replaced. I hope someone will take this over and make some or all of
> the necessary changes, because I'm unlikely to have time to do it
> myself.
> 
> --Jean

Taken for review and update.

Dave

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Jean Weber | 27 Jun 07:27 2015
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Where is everyone?

I'm still waiting for a few more people to emerge from this mailing
list and actually do some reviewing/updating work on a user guide, or
at least ask some intelligent questions about the process.

--Jean

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Jean Weber | 27 Jun 07:23 2015
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Getting Started Chapter 2 (Setting up LO)

I've been through this chapter and marked items that need to be
checked, verified, written or revised. Most pictures need to be
replaced. I hope someone will take this over and make some or all of
the necessary changes, because I'm unlikely to have time to do it
myself.

--Jean

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