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Jason White | 8 May 2013 05:27

LibreOffice writer crash - accessibility-related?

This is 4.0.3-rc3 from the Debian package. To reproduce:

1. Create or load a sample document in LO Writer.

2. Ctrl-Shift-s to select "save as".

3. Change the file name appropriately and the format to, for example plain
text.

4. Select "save".

At this point the crash occurs, with the following errors:

Can others reproduce this? Does it only occur with accessibility active or is
it a general issue? I can't test without accessibility and Orca operating.

Script started on Wed 08 May 2013 13:04:22 EST
jason <at> jdc:~$ loffice /tmp/test-document.html 

** (soffice:13163): WARNING **: Unknown type: GailWindow

(soffice:13163): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from `GtkAdjustment' to `GtkWindow'

(soffice:13163): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from `GtkAdjustment' to `GtkWidget'

(soffice:13163): GLib-GObject-WARNING **:
/tmp/buildd/glib2.0-2.33.12+really2.32.4/./gobject/gsignal.c:2459: signal `focus-out-event'
is invalid for instance `0x2904400'

(soffice:13163): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from `GtkAdjustment' to `GtkWindow'
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Florian Effenberger | 4 May 2013 15:24
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Fostering project internal communication

Hello,

sorry for spamming all the lists, but in the light of recent events and 
discussions, I'd like to make all of you aware of an important mailing 
list, that so far has not been used as extensively as it should be, 
which led to some frustration and communication issues.

As part of our mission to foster the project internal communication, I'd 
like to tell you about our so called projects mailing list, which Sophie 
initiated quite a while ago, and which should be used for communication 
amongst the various projects - e.g. design and marketing, development 
and marketing, UX and development, and the like.

The list's intention is not to be a gossip list where everything should 
be thrown at, but to make all affected projects aware of important 
changes. Philosophy: Low traffic, but important topics.

Some examples are: Change of version numbers, a new slogan, design 
changes, new products. In other words: Everything that has an impact on 
other areas of working than the one where the change originally comes from.

If one team decides LibreOffice will now be called different, and has a 
shiny new colour, surely marketing should know in time. Well, a bit of a 
made up example, but you get the point... ;-)

We have seen some unpleasant events in the past, that based on my 
experience, are mostly due to the lack of communication, or due to 
miscommunication. To avoid that in the future, I'd like to call out to 
everyone of you, if you are active in one of the subprojects, to also 
join this mailing list by sending an empty e-mail to
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Florian Effenberger | 4 May 2013 13:22
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Seeking for list moderators

Hello,

at the moment, we are looking for volunteers who could help moderate 
this mailing list.

If you are interested, the only requirement is that you are subscribed 
to the list yourself and read its mails in a somehow timely manner, but 
that's about it.

Moderation means dealing with e-mails that do not automatically make it 
to the list, which you then manually forward, or reject. This happens 
either when an e-mail comes from an unknown sender, e.g. when a project 
member uses a different address for posting. It also occurs when someone 
unexperienced writes to the list, thinking it's a private account, but 
in fact it's a public list.

You'll receive the message to be moderated via e-mail, which you then 
can either "moderate through", or reject.

Is someone interested in joining our efforts? It'd be much appreciated - 
just drop me an email (please also copy me directly, and not only the 
list), then I'm happy to add you to the list of moderators.

Thanks!
Florian

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V Stuart Foote | 23 Apr 2013 12:31
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Possilbe UNO Accessibility API -Java Access Bridge issue in current build of Master while using NVDA for AT

Hi Tom,

No it was an issue with the 4.1.0 daily builds of master. The bug listed, fdo#63680, deals with
indeterminant crashes of Writer on Windows builds of master--the last viable TinderBox build occurred 8
April, so this issue has been on the Most Annoying Bugs list for the 4.1 development.

Also, turned out to be a problem over on the NV Access, NVDA side where one of the modules for handling Java
Access Bridge based content was misconfigured in their upcomming 2013.1 release as compared to the
stable 2012.3.1 version--that has been corrected.

With the TDF and LibreOffice with 3.6.7, 4.0.3 and ongoing development of master (currently notated
4.1.0+ alpha) I cycle through all the branches testing for Windows (and occasionally Linux and OSX
builds) looking at general usability and trying to identify accessibility issues.

At any time I will have  4 or 5 LibreOffice or Apache OpenOffice installations and assistive technologies
loaded. Not too difficult to accomplish, just have to pay attention to configuration and understand when
registry and user profiles have to be removed or relocated.

This Wiki entry is helpful for anyone interested, always looking for committed QA participants who can
work an issue:

Installing several versions of LibreOffice in parallel - The Document Foundation Wiki<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel>

Stuart

p.s. -- hope you don't mind that I put your note back on-list, figure some folks might have been confused and
would benefit from an explanation.

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V Stuart Foote | 18 Apr 2013 23:36
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Possilbe UNO Accessibility API - Java Access Bridge issue in current build of Master while using NVDA for AT

On Windows 7 SP1 64-bit
JRE 1.6.45
JAB 2.0.2

Bumped into a an issue with Java Access Bridge and LibreOffice today's Master daily build.

When running the NVDA 2012.3.1 AT screen reader, a long stable test document is crashing LibreOffice 4.1
alpha from Master when accessed with NVDA AT in use.  Without NVDA AT active, the document opens fully in
todays daily build.

Without NVDA AT activated, the JavaFerret and JavaMonkey utilities both show the document opening
correctly with today's LibreOffice build of Master.   And on the same system, earlier builds of Master,
4.0.3.1 and 4.0.2.2 opened and continue to open while NVDA is in use.

Have opened an issue with NVAccess  against NVDA 2012.3.1 (
http://community.nvda-project.org/ticket/3170 ) but suspect it could be recent Java work in
LibreOffice--Java Ferret/Java Monkey less sensitive to whatever the issue is.

Test document opens with these builds of LibreOffice while NVDA is active
LibreOffice_4.0.2_Win_x86.msi
LibreOffice_4.0.3.1_Win_x86.msi (administrative install)
master~2013-03-22_21.36.46_LibreOfficeDev_4.1.0.0.alpha0_Win_x86.msi (administrative install)

Does not ope With NVDA AT active with an administrative install of todays:
master~2013-04-18_04.00.51_LibreOfficeDev_4.1.0.0.alpha0_Win_x86.msi

NVDA logging shows error: 
gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetectionJAB object at
0x06028C90> with extra args of {}
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Olav Dahlum | 12 Apr 2013 14:15
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Programmers are unable to extract pressed keys and text sequences in LibreOffice 4.x.

Software like Lingdys and Lingright from http://lingit.no/ are unable to
work with 4.x.
Torbjørn Norgård <torbjorn <at> lingit.no> told me that no text sequences or
pressed keys can be extracted and thus the software are unable to assist
the user. I know that some older accessibility API's etc was removed, but
could someone shed some more light on this subject?

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Keith Reedy | 9 Apr 2013 17:04

New to the list,,,

Hello every one,

I have just been on the list for a few days and as of yet I have seen no traffic, so, I am guessing that this is a low
traffic list and that is a good thing.

I am Keith Reedy director of Bibles for the Blind in the US,
www.biblesfortheblind.org

We have just begun to use LibreOffice with the ODT to Braille extension to translate print documents in to
braille.  I would like to talk with some one who is using LibreOffice in the same manner about a couple of
things I have found to see if some one has found a workaround.

I am using an iMac with OS 10.8 and we do have a couple of 10.6 iMacs on site as well.

Thanks.
Keith Reedy
keithreedy <at> fastmail.net
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V Stuart Foote | 2 Mar 2013 22:46
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keyboard accessibility of new template manager - fdo#61390

fdo#61468 was added to mab 4.0, but it needed to be combined with fdo#61389. So used the earlier report on the
MAB list.

Cross posting this to the UX list because while the the new (at 4.0.0) Template Manager is a a really great
feature, it somehow made it through development and QA deficient in its accessibility roles.

I hope all can agree that for effective AT, accessibility roles and interfaces really benefit from
consistency and a fully instrumented accessibility structure.

With so many development channels, it is not clear to me how to achieve that earlier in the component and
feature design, But looking at the new Template Manager, in context with long standing accessibility
issues with the F11 - Styles & Formatting panel, it is clear that some renewed UX team emphasis on
accessibility and support for AT in the user interface is needed.

Stuart
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V Stuart Foote | 1 Mar 2013 17:25
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keyboard accessibility of new template manager - fdo#61390

This has been filed as LibreOffice bug fdo#61390 -
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61390 and the DEVs of template manager notified. 

Stuart

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Is it on anyone's radar to make the LO 4.x template manager keyboard
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ktc | 1 Mar 2013 16:38
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keyboard accessibility of new template manager

Is it on anyone's radar to make the LO 4.x template manager keyboard
accessible? Tabbing or other keystrokes don't take me from a tab to the list
of templates. Even after a mouse click on the My Templates box/group, I have
not found any keystrokes that allow me to select any particular template.
Mouse required on all fronts?

This makes the new TM really cumbersome for a keyboard user. A mobility
impairment makes mouse usage troublesome for me.

I would also request an option to show the templates as a simple list
instead of thumbs. I know some people seem to like the "icon" way of
navigating, but I'm not one. 

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Jonathan Nadeau | 21 Feb 2013 23:33
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introduction

Hello list,

My name is Jonathan Nadeau and I'm the executive director of the
Accessible Computing Foundation located here

http://www.accessiblecomputingfoundation.org

I'm looking to fund some developers to fix some accessibility bugs with
Libreoffice and the Orca screen reader. I was hoping either someone on
the list would be interested in fixing some bugs or that the list might
know of some people that would like to earn some money to fix some bugs.
Please let me know if this is not the right place to look for help or if
there are any other suggestions. Thanks for your time and help.

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