David Emerson | 19 Dec 00:15 2014
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restoring keyboard settings after kvm switch use

Hi all,

I have made changes in kcontrol > peripherals > keyboard (repeat 
delay/rate).

This works great when I boot up the computer.

However, if I use a KVM switch to go to another computer and come back, 
the keyboard repeat delay and rate are messed up (probably default 
settings, not my settings.)

What can I do about this, so that my keyboard repeat settings will be 
automatically applied when a (new) keyboard is plugged in / replugged?

I can see that it is possible to set something up through udev, but I 
don't know how to script TDE changes that appear to require the GUI. How 
to script this? Or perhaps udev is not the right approach?

Thanks!
~David.

Just upgraded to R14, looking good so far! Great work guys

John Pisini | 18 Dec 20:09 2014
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509 maximum bandwidth exceeded

I suppose it's good that so many people are trying to get Trinity.

Slávek Banko | 17 Dec 22:22 2014
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R14.0.x and alternative 'preliminary-stable-builds' apt source

Hi all, who you are accustomed to using my alternative apt source known 
as 'preliminary-stable-builds'. I would like to say a few informations about 
the current state and further perspectives.

At the time of announcement final R14.0.0 all packages accurately matches 
state source code R14.0.0. Currently are underway final build, which only 
removes the "preliminary" number out from the version number. For example, 
for tdebase 4:14.0.0-s~1492-0debian6.0.0+169 => 4:14.0.0-s-0debian6.0.0+0. 
Therefore in the upcoming days we can expect update of many packages.

In the future you can expect that into apt source will be included preliminary 
packages for the upcoming release R14.0.1. If you were previously accustomed 
to using my PPA v3.5.13-sru, know that it will work in the same way. Indeed, 
the same source packages I'll upload to this alternative apt source, as well 
as to new PPA on build-farm. From this PPA will be subsequently released the 
final maintenance versions.

Thank you for your support in work on TDE!
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Slávek
dep | 17 Dec 17:47 2014

upgrade path question

hey there, good people . . .

this is a pretty lame question; fortunately, i'm old enough that lame 
doesn't bother me all that much anymore.

it's been awhile since i burned a kernel, built open office from source, or 
built kde -- the way we used to, say, 15 years ago (i even once wrote a 
piece about whether it took longer to compile all of kde than it did to 
drive from connecticut to key west -- 
http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/3420/1 ).

so now there's a new version of the real, useful kde, now known as tde. i'm 
on ubuntu 12.04LTS. time to do a general upgrade.

what i'm seeking is advice as to the easiest, least-annoying way to upgrade 
both operating system and tde -- i'm using 3.5.13.2 -- without breaking, 
well, anything. i've kept the same configurations for ages. i like them. 
many took days to sort out and i forgot how i did them.

so. anyone here have a decent recipe for upgrading the whole thing all at 
once, rebooting, and having what i have, only better?
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vreher | 17 Dec 02:42 2014
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Re: Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.0 Released!


---- Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf@...> wrote: 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA224
> 
> The Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) development team is pleased to
> announce the immediate availability of the new TDE R14.0.0 release.  The
> Trinity Desktop Environment is a complete software desktop environment
> designed for Unix-like operating systems, intended for computer users
> preferring a traditional desktop model, and is free/libre software.
> 
> Unlike previous releases TDE R14.0.0 has been in development for over two
> years. This extended development period has allowed us to create a better,
> more stable and more feature-rich product than previous TDE releases. R14
> is brimming with new features, such as a new hardware manager based on
> udev (HAL is no longer required), full network-manager 0.9 support, a
> brand new compositor (compton), built-in threading support, and much more!
> 
> Version scheme change
> 
> Also new in this release is a change from the KDE v3.5.x series
> versioning.  In line with our new, separate identity, and to avoid
> incorrect comparisons with KDE SC based on version number alone, we are
> dropping the old versioning scheme and replacing it with our new R-series
> versioning scheme.  Each new release from this point forward will be
> identified with three numbers prefixed with an R (standing for "Release");
> the first number is the major series, the second is the minor series, and
> the last is the Stable Release Update (SRU) identifier.  A stable series
> will be indicated by a single Rxx.yy identifier, e.g. R14.0.  Major
> overhauls of the codebase that significantly and permanently change the
> way TDE functions, such as the transition from HAL to the TDE Hardware
> Library or the new style engine, will only occur when the major series
> number increments.  Normal, incremental development, including new
> features, will be indicated with an increment of the minor version number.
>  Bug fixes backported to a stable series (Rxx.yy)--with no new features or
> changed functionality--will be indicated via an increment of the SRU
> identifier alone.
> 
> Getting TDE
> 
> Installation instructions and binary packages are immediately available
> for Debian and Ubuntu.  Packages for RedHat/CentOs, Fedora, Mageia,
> OpenSUSE, and PCLinuxOS are being built by their respective maintainers
> and will be made available at a later date.
> 
> Live CDs with TDE R14.0.0 preinstalled are available at
> https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/LiveCDs .
> 
> Major Improvements from 3.5.13.x
> 
> The following is a list of the major improvements TDE R14.0.0 includes. *
> New HAL-independent hardware support based on udev. HAL support is still
> available for those systems (such as *bsd) that require it.
> * Significant renaming of applications, libraries, and packages to avoid
> conflicts with other desktop environments (most notably KDE).  This allows
> TDE to be installed in parallel with other desktop environments without
> significant negative interaction.
> * Upgrades to TQt3 (TDE's fork of Qt 3.3.8).  TQt3 upgrades include a new,
> modern style engine, multi-threading support, and improved speed and
> stability.
> * Support for network-manager 0.9 and newer.
> * Switched compositor from Kompmgr to Compton-TDE, a fork of Compton with
> TDE-specific features.
> * Added builds for armel/armhf architectures on Debian and armhf on
> Raspbian Wheezy.
> * File mimetype detection system now based on libmagic.
> 
> To see more highlights of this release, please visit the TDE R14.0.0
> information page at
> https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Release_Notes_For_R14.0.0 .
> 
> About TDE
> 
> The Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) was forked by Timothy Pearson in
> 2008 from the last official release of the K Desktop Environment's third
> series (KDE3), version 3.5.10. It existed as a set of modified KDE3
> packages for Ubuntu until 2009, when it was merged onto a proper source
> control system (KDE SVN) and rebranded as TDE. Shortly thereafter, TDE's
> core infrastructure was created utilizing spare computing capacity from
> Raptor Engineering; these infrastructure resources currently include the
> world's only Launchpad system based outside of Canonical Ltd. As the
> project grew, the TDE team migrated off of KDE's SVN server onto our own
> GIT server and has been completely independent from KDE from 2011 onward.
> 
> - From the beginning of the TDE project, individuals from around the world
> have contributed to TDE, and our original desire to provide a powerful,
> functional desktop environment in the traditional style has been upheld.
> The TDE project still is led by Timothy Pearson utilizing Raptor
> Engineering's computing resources. TDE currently is growing faster than it
> ever has before, with many new contributors--and our dependable core team
> of developers--helping to add new functionality, repair bugs, answer
> questions on the mailing lists, and increase TDE's overall quality.
> 
> TDE fits into a niche similar to that of the MATE project for Gnome, but
> TDE is geared more toward those who want a productive, efficient interface
> with a high customization potential. Our dedicated team is continuing to
> refine TDE instead of rebuilding it from scratch; this prolonged
> development is something rarely seen in the open source applications
> arena. While our niche position may not be as glamorous as some of the
> larger projects such as KDE and Gnome we believe TDE is no less important
> to those who rely on it and use it in their daily work, and we hope that
> in the future our niche will continue to grow.
> 
> Developers Wanted
> 
> The TDE development team is small but friendly.  If you wish to
> participate in the TDE development process, please visit
> https://www.trinitydesktop.org/helpwanted.php for additional information.
> 
> User Feedback
> 
> Feedback from our users is an integral part of a large, user-experience
> oriented project such TDE.  Whether you want to report a bug, suggest an
> improvement, or simply let us know your opinion of TDE, please feel free
> to contact us.  Two good places to start communication are the project's
> mailing lists at https://www.trinitydesktop.org/mailinglist.php and its
> bug tracker at https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org .
> 
> Contribute to the TDE Project
> 
> Creating TDE requires significant computing resources and bandwidth. 
> Please consider helping to keep us online with a donation at
> https://www.trinitydesktop.org/donate.php .  Without your financial
> assistance, TDE would not be possible!
> 
> Press Contact Information
> 
> Project Founder/Administrator: Timothy Pearson,
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Thanks to you and the rest of the development team for this early Christmas gift! I am currently running on a
version built from git sources downloaded last February and will be compiling R14  from the new source
tarballs.  Are these instructions current:
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules ?

Timothy Pearson | 16 Dec 22:25 2014
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Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.0 Released!


The Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) development team is pleased to
announce the immediate availability of the new TDE R14.0.0 release.  The
Trinity Desktop Environment is a complete software desktop environment
designed for Unix-like operating systems, intended for computer users
preferring a traditional desktop model, and is free/libre software.

Unlike previous releases TDE R14.0.0 has been in development for over two
years. This extended development period has allowed us to create a better,
more stable and more feature-rich product than previous TDE releases. R14
is brimming with new features, such as a new hardware manager based on
udev (HAL is no longer required), full network-manager 0.9 support, a
brand new compositor (compton), built-in threading support, and much more!

Version scheme change

Also new in this release is a change from the KDE v3.5.x series
versioning.  In line with our new, separate identity, and to avoid
incorrect comparisons with KDE SC based on version number alone, we are
dropping the old versioning scheme and replacing it with our new R-series
versioning scheme.  Each new release from this point forward will be
identified with three numbers prefixed with an R (standing for "Release");
the first number is the major series, the second is the minor series, and
the last is the Stable Release Update (SRU) identifier.  A stable series
will be indicated by a single Rxx.yy identifier, e.g. R14.0.  Major
overhauls of the codebase that significantly and permanently change the
way TDE functions, such as the transition from HAL to the TDE Hardware
Library or the new style engine, will only occur when the major series
number increments.  Normal, incremental development, including new
features, will be indicated with an increment of the minor version number.
 Bug fixes backported to a stable series (Rxx.yy)--with no new features or
changed functionality--will be indicated via an increment of the SRU
identifier alone.

Getting TDE

Installation instructions and binary packages are immediately available
for Debian and Ubuntu.  Packages for RedHat/CentOs, Fedora, Mageia,
OpenSUSE, and PCLinuxOS are being built by their respective maintainers
and will be made available at a later date.

Live CDs with TDE R14.0.0 preinstalled are available at
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/LiveCDs .

Major Improvements from 3.5.13.x

The following is a list of the major improvements TDE R14.0.0 includes. *
New HAL-independent hardware support based on udev. HAL support is still
available for those systems (such as *bsd) that require it.
* Significant renaming of applications, libraries, and packages to avoid
conflicts with other desktop environments (most notably KDE).  This allows
TDE to be installed in parallel with other desktop environments without
significant negative interaction.
* Upgrades to TQt3 (TDE's fork of Qt 3.3.8).  TQt3 upgrades include a new,
modern style engine, multi-threading support, and improved speed and
stability.
* Support for network-manager 0.9 and newer.
* Switched compositor from Kompmgr to Compton-TDE, a fork of Compton with
TDE-specific features.
* Added builds for armel/armhf architectures on Debian and armhf on
Raspbian Wheezy.
* File mimetype detection system now based on libmagic.

To see more highlights of this release, please visit the TDE R14.0.0
information page at
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Release_Notes_For_R14.0.0 .

About TDE

The Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) was forked by Timothy Pearson in
2008 from the last official release of the K Desktop Environment's third
series (KDE3), version 3.5.10. It existed as a set of modified KDE3
packages for Ubuntu until 2009, when it was merged onto a proper source
control system (KDE SVN) and rebranded as TDE. Shortly thereafter, TDE's
core infrastructure was created utilizing spare computing capacity from
Raptor Engineering; these infrastructure resources currently include the
world's only Launchpad system based outside of Canonical Ltd. As the
project grew, the TDE team migrated off of KDE's SVN server onto our own
GIT server and has been completely independent from KDE from 2011 onward.

From the beginning of the TDE project, individuals from around the world
have contributed to TDE, and our original desire to provide a powerful,
functional desktop environment in the traditional style has been upheld.
The TDE project still is led by Timothy Pearson utilizing Raptor
Engineering's computing resources. TDE currently is growing faster than it
ever has before, with many new contributors--and our dependable core team
of developers--helping to add new functionality, repair bugs, answer
questions on the mailing lists, and increase TDE's overall quality.

TDE fits into a niche similar to that of the MATE project for Gnome, but
TDE is geared more toward those who want a productive, efficient interface
with a high customization potential. Our dedicated team is continuing to
refine TDE instead of rebuilding it from scratch; this prolonged
development is something rarely seen in the open source applications
arena. While our niche position may not be as glamorous as some of the
larger projects such as KDE and Gnome we believe TDE is no less important
to those who rely on it and use it in their daily work, and we hope that
in the future our niche will continue to grow.

Developers Wanted

The TDE development team is small but friendly.  If you wish to
participate in the TDE development process, please visit
https://www.trinitydesktop.org/helpwanted.php for additional information.

User Feedback

Feedback from our users is an integral part of a large, user-experience
oriented project such TDE.  Whether you want to report a bug, suggest an
improvement, or simply let us know your opinion of TDE, please feel free
to contact us.  Two good places to start communication are the project's
mailing lists at https://www.trinitydesktop.org/mailinglist.php and its
bug tracker at https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org .

Contribute to the TDE Project

Creating TDE requires significant computing resources and bandwidth. 
Please consider helping to keep us online with a donation at
https://www.trinitydesktop.org/donate.php .  Without your financial
assistance, TDE would not be possible!

Press Contact Information

Project Founder/Administrator: Timothy Pearson,
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Thierry de Coulon | 15 Dec 16:27 2014
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Can't modify Desktop Behaviour

Hello all Trinity users,

On one machine (a T400), recently installed with Wheezy 7.7 and TDE 3.5.13.2, 
I can't change the Desktop Behaviour.

If I unselect "Show icons on desktop" they stay. If, in Device Icons, I 
choose "Show device icons", the screen goes black, then comes back unchanged 
(and the options have also been set back).

kdesktoprc seems ok, same as any other install. It's not very important 
because that's not a main machine but I'm puzzled as to why this happens.

Thierry

Felix Miata | 14 Dec 04:50 2014
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kcontrol: /symbol lookup error : /opt/trinity/lib/libkdeinit_kcontrol.so: undefined symbol: _ZN9KListView9selectAllEb

Debian 6.0 system is "up to date", in that apt-get udate; apt-get upgrade
find nothing new. TDE is 3.5.13. Settings menu option for Control Center
produces nothing, while from Konsole, the message in $SUBJECT. Individual
settings from the main menu is among the worst UIs on the planet. Please, how
can I get kcontrol working (without hours of updating)?
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Pascal Deporte | 10 Dec 17:41 2014

QT5 and Systemd

Hello.
 Trinity Desktop on Debian: I have a question: Do  passing KDE 4 (QT4) 
to KF5 (QT5) will affect the operation of Trinity or development?
Another question: For Trinity, is what systemd is a problem or not?

Robert Peters | 7 Dec 12:34 2014
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Skype no sound (was: xine finds no audio drivers)

On 6 December 2014 at 10:00, Robert Peters <robertpeters9@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm running an install from exegnu-jessv-20141125 on a recent
> ThinkPad.  Amarok when starting complains:
>     xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers.
> Haven't found anything satisfactory in searching, but the problem goes
> back at least to KDE3.
> BTW, VCL works okay, after I select the mixer.  Maybe it uses different drivers.
> Robert

Got alsa - xine - kmix - amarok working okay, by making sure that
basic Trinity packages are installed.

Now trying to get sound in Skype.  A search showed that newer Skype
requires PulseAudio and recommended installing pavucontrol.  Compiling
from source required installing several dependencies.  Dbus strongly
recommended, but it has broken dependencies.  Still no sound.  I
wonder if it all requires systemd.
In which case, are there any usable Skype alternatives?

Robert

Jagged O'Neill | 7 Dec 01:56 2014

Confusion about building from sources (R13.2 on Slack 14.1)

High,

now I'm trying to build R13.2 on Slackware 14.1, trying to follow the
instructions found at
  https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules

This doc leaves several questions open:

1. It doesn't say which release this is about. In the "Suggested
Build Order" section it talks about tqt3, so I guess it's about R14
already, though R14 isn't (actually) released yet. And what if any-
one is forced (or just likes) to install R13.2 or even older release
anyway?

2. It isn't clear about the build tool to use for the different
packages. When talking about the autoconf -> cmake migration, there
should be some details of which package in which release is to be
done with which build tool, or each package should have a quick note
about this in the README or whatever...

I think qt3 itself is neither, but I'm not sure. It has no 'admin' and
no 'cmake' subdirectory, but if this is an acceptable exception for me.
It should be mentioned anyway, maybe for others, or maybe merely for
the sake of being documented (or is it documented elsewhere already?).

3. Problems compiling tqtinterface:
I manually ran ./configure on qt3 and it installed in almost no time,
or rather, with almost no fiddling. But now I'm stuck for hours with
the second step, tqtinterface. It has both a 'cmake' and an 'admin'
subdirectory, but since the page mentioned above lists it in section
"Building Packages with cmake", I first tried cmake, indeed.

But with the instructions listed under "Performing a cmake Build" it
just didn't work. It stopped after failing to run a cmTryCompileExec
step, in which the compiler is called with
   /usr/bin/c++     -I/opt/trinity-3.5.13.2/qt3/include -DHAVE_USABLE_QT3   
CMakeFiles/cmTryCompileExec737936600.dir/src.cxx.o  -o cmTryCompileExec737936600 -rdynamic
-L/opt/trinity-3.5.13.2/qt3/lib -lqt-mt

This version is already altered from the "default"... I have put in
the include path option, without which even the compilation failed,
of course.

But even then this step failed, due to countless undefined references,
because the command line issued tells the linker to only drag in qt-mt,
but none of X11, Xext, dl, z, jpeg, png, mng, and I don't know how many
else. I have put in those mentioned here manually in a step-by-step,
incremental, very tedious build/less $erroroutput/edit $buildscript
process. Shouldn't the script, that tries to compile the program, know
which libraries it needs and instruct the linker to drag them in? What
am I doing wrong?

Of course, maybe the "ready for cmake" list is indeed for R14, and as
such doesn't match my sources. Buuuuuut... trying with autoconf also
fails, because there isn't even a configure script.

Oh, wait, I didn't _re_generate autoconf/automake files yet, as it has
been suggested. But then, trying it yields nothing productive anyway:
Copying the mentioned files from
  /usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4
  /usr/share/libtool/config/ltmain.sh
(maybe they're wrong?), then running

  $ make -f admin/Makefile.common
  *** automake (GNU automake) 1.11.5 found.
  *** Creating acinclude.m4
  make[1]: Entering directory `/home/jagged/src/trinity-build/tqtinterface-trinity-3.5.13.2'
  make[1]: *** No rule to make target `libltdl/ltdl.m4', needed by `acinclude.m4'.  Stop.
  make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/jagged/src/trinity-build/tqtinterface-trinity-3.5.13.2'
  make: *** [cvs] Error 1

Well, I'm completely clueless... :-/

Just in case it matters:
  Slackware 14.1, kernel 3.10.17
  gcc version 4.8.2
  ld 2.23.52.0.1.20130226

No idea if I should attach the error output from a cmake approach.

4. Some other points that I find a bit confusing

  - In the "configure and build" code boxes, you use /opt/trinity/lib/qt3*
    for QTDIR, but /opt/trinity/qt3* in PATH and PKG_CONFIG_PATH.

    Is this correct? (It could be that some later step establishes some
    /opt/trinity/lib/qt3* dir, but after configuring qt3 with
    -prefix=/opt/trinity/qt3, and installing the result, there is no
    such directory (yet).)

  - Introducing a parameter named $CPUOPT ist just... well... confusing.

So much for now. Thanks in advance for any suggestion.

Regards,
Jagged

PS: Since it is a wiki, I guess I could help improving it, if desired
(it's not that I'm an observing but otherwise passive nagger), just at
the moment I think my experience is close to zero...

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