Window sizes when changing resolution

I don't know, maybe it's a bug, maybe some misconfiguration but I have
a question is it possible to fix this problem:
I am using TDE, Debian Wheezy, running on Dell D430
subnotebook. This small computer has 1280x800 LCD, Intel GMA chipset.
At home I'm docking my Dell and redirecting video using xrandr to
external monitors: two 1600x1200 displays connected to dock's ports.
The desktop is split on 2 monitors, the system menu/task bar is shown
only in the left one, exactly as I want.
The problem begins when I hibernate computer undocked and
unhibernate it in a dock. It of course still shows picture on internal
LCD, so I have a script with xrandr to set proper resolutions and
After changing resolutions and displays, Most of resizeable windows on
screen become one screen (1600 pixels) wide.
In this situation, the next one happens relatively rare: Konqueror's
window sometimes have decoration placed higher than screen, so it
can be moved or closed only from task bar menu.
Is there any option in configuration to prevent this window expanding
when resolution is changed?
Shrinking works and is OK (it must be for reverse situation - undocking).

Dr. Nikolaus Klepp | 29 Oct 20:23 2014


Hi all!

http://q4os.org/ - Has anybody known of this thing? ~ 315/337 MB CD image and TDE on board :-)



Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA.

Felmon Davis | 29 Oct 07:50 2014

lingering problem with kpowersave


Slavek's updates got my kpowersave utility running again (I include 
the relevant post below) but I've a new issue.

if I boot into the desktop, the kpowersave utility (on the kicker bar) 
offers little more than 'help' and 'quit'.

to get the full configuration options I have to close and re-open the 
kde session.

so how to get the full kpowersave without having to close and re-open 
the session?


On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Felmon Davis wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Slávek Banko wrote:
>> Dne Saturday 20 of September 2014 20:26:00 jste napsal(a):
>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Slávek Banko wrote:
>>>>>>> from backports; 'uname -r' says:
>>>>>>> it's a dual-core Acer Aspire v5 laptop.
>>>>>>> F.
(Continue reading)

Timothy Pearson | 28 Oct 16:22 2014

TDE website update and R14 status


The new TDE website has been updated to incorporate feedback received from
both users and developers; it is hoped that this design strikes a proper
balance between aesthetics and functionality.  Many thanks to the TDE Web
team, especially E. Liddell, for their work on the new site!

R14 Release Candidate 1 is currently being built.  This process should be
complete somewhere around Nov. 10 2014 barring unforeseen difficulties. 
RC1 will take the form of a package set for Debian/Ubuntu along with an
Ubuntu LiveCD that can be used for testing.

The TDE project needs your financial support!  If you can, please donate
towards our operating costs at https://www.trinitydesktop.org/donate.php .
 In particular, due to the large size of the R14 binary package set we
needed to increase the available Internet bandwidth temporarily until R14
is released; this change increased TDE's operating costs substantially and
has put severe strain on the project's finances.

Thank you for your support!

Timothy Pearson
Trinity Desktop Project
rolf | 28 Oct 09:35 2014

Small Bug in kdm configuration


I found, that the management tool (login configuration from within control 
center) for config kdm, creates the wrong user "Root" (with upper case "R") 
in kdmrc, if one selects, that only root can shut down the computer. 
Than the computer just stops with a console I have to login as root and 
powerdown the machine.
So it is at least only a typo.

System: Debian wheezy with trinity 3.5.13


Joseph Thames | 28 Oct 01:04 2014

Creating side or top panels without mouse


Is there a way to create a panel via the command line? Once I have a panel, I can create a pager. But I am logged in via NX to a desktop with no panels, and I can't seem to create one.

Thanks in advance.

Joseph 'Bear' Thames
MetaCalculus, LLC and Meta Science Foundation
(505) 977-9024 - Cell Phone
Alexandre | 26 Oct 15:09 2014

PCLinuxOS non-official remaster, version Oct 3, 2014 now on trinitydesktop.org


For those who might be interested in it, the new release of my remaster is now uploaded on the website, allowing easier download than the multi-part zip archive I had on the release mail.

Here it is:

Thank you!
Felix Miata | 22 Oct 05:14 2014

K3b Writing DVD copy stopped <at> 00:05:36h/Remaining 00:00:03, 4119 of 4144 MB

Is $SUBJECT what making a coaster looks like?

CPU is Core2duo E7600 3.06GHz.

Source: DVD made from standalone DVDR with TV tuner on DVD-R finalized on
PATA /dev/sr0

Destination: blank Verbatim DVD-R (CMC MAG, AM3) on SATA /dev/sr1

Other than selecing source and destination, and deselecting create/delete
image (aka on-the-fly), I used only defaults, resulting in (auto) writing
speed 22713KB/s (16.49x) in the upper pane. Target media is one of last dozen
or so from spool of 100 several years old that I remember no previous trouble
writing to.

After more than 10 minutes since last screen paint I moved the focused copy
window off its parent window, and only the focused window painted. After more
waiting, I switched to a tty and found the following:

$ df /
Filesystem     1K-blocks    Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda17       4843161 4429321    163952  97% /
$ ls -lGg /var/tmp/kdecache-loggedusername/
total 128420
drwx------ 2     1024 Oct 21 21:51 background
drwx------ 2     1024 Aug  8  2013 favicons
-rw-rw-r-- 1 10547304 Oct 21 21:50 icon-cache.kcache
-rw-rw-r-- 1   751197 Oct 21 21:51 ksycoca
-rw-rw-r-- 1  1359129 Oct 21 21:47 ksycoca4
-rw-rw-r-- 1      656 Oct 21 21:47 ksycoca4stamp
-rw-rw-r-- 1      752 Oct 21 21:51 ksycocastamp
drwx------ 2     1024 Oct 21 21:50 libphonon
-rw------- 1    14264 Oct 21 21:48 plasma-svgelements-default
-rw------- 1    16189 Sep 13  2013 plasma-svgelements-openSUSE
drwx------ 3     1024 Aug  8  2013 plasma-wallpapers
-rw-rw-r-- 1 84377704 Oct 21 21:50 plasma_theme_default.kcache
-rw-rw-r-- 1 84377704 Sep 13  2013 plasma_theme_openSUSE.kcache
$ ls -lGg (/home/loggedusername/.trinity/cache-hostname/)
total 128420
drwx------ 2     1024 Oct 21 21:51 background
drwx------ 2     1024 Aug  8  2013 favicons
-rw-rw-r-- 1 10547304 Oct 21 21:50 icon-cache.kcache
-rw-rw-r-- 1   751197 Oct 21 21:51 ksycoca
-rw-rw-r-- 1  1359129 Oct 21 21:47 ksycoca4
-rw-rw-r-- 1      656 Oct 21 21:47 ksycoca4stamp
-rw-rw-r-- 1      752 Oct 21 21:51 ksycocastamp
drwx------ 2     1024 Oct 21 21:50 libphonon
-rw------- 1    14264 Oct 21 21:48 plasma-svgelements-default
-rw------- 1    16189 Sep 13  2013 plasma-svgelements-openSUSE
drwx------ 3     1024 Aug  8  2013 plasma-wallpapers
-rw-rw-r-- 1 84377704 Oct 21 21:50 plasma_theme_default.kcache
-rw-rw-r-- 1 84377704 Sep 13  2013 plasma_theme_openSUSE.kcache

Whether any of those actually belong to the TDE session I dont' know, but I
don't seem to be able to locate any other tmpfiles for it. Because/ and /home
are different partitions, the identical sizes and timestamps between the two
directories looked fishy to me until I noticed that
/home/loggedusername/.trinity/cache-hostname/ is a symlink. So, one question
I have is how to make the desktop user tmpfiles live in /homeloggedusername/
someplace instead of on /.

On return to desktop, none of the K3b windows would repaint, so I force
closed K3b from Kicker. Then I cleared /var/tmp/, which brought space used on
/ from 97% to 88%, available 1K blocks up to 588973, and got rid of all the
big files in /home/loggedusername/.trinity/cache-hostname/.



"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Jagged O'Neill | 20 Oct 00:18 2014

kbuildsycoca hangs --- no login

High all,

now again an active post from me, obviously with a problem report.

Basic info: I'm running OpenSuse 13.1 with

Because somehow I couldn't get TDE's display manager to run, the one
in use is KDE4's, kdm-4.11.9-111.1.x86_64.

Today I was hinted to quassel for an IRC client, checked the Suse
repos, found and installed it. The installer reported as the only
unresolved dependency for quassel-mono (monolithic/stand-alone
package, nothing to do with the Mono runtime) the evenly provided
quassel-base package, which I confirmed to also install.

During the installation process, kicker crashed and when it was
attempted to be respawned, the CPU load increased to 50% overall
(2core HT current i5-M). The load was partially from kicker,
partially from kbuildsycoca. After killing both, I tried to
manually run kicker again, but the same happened, just with only
one thread worth of CPU load occupied.

"init 3" (I know it's not the same with systemd, but...) didn't even
kill kbuildsycoca. After manually killing it, I switched back to
RL 5, and I got the greeter screen (background), but no entry fields
or menus or whatever --- the CPU load was again at 25%.

After uninstalling the two quassel packages, I switched to RL 3 and
back to 5 again, but there was no difference. I rebooted the box,
and was prompted with the usual greeter, including the user/passwd
fields etc., entered the password and the same happened again:
25% CPU load, in kbuildsycoca. I attached gdb to it, without really
knowing what I should look for, but maybe one of you can read some
valuable information from the backtrace:

(gdb) bt
#0  0x00007f462f734980 in __read_nocancel () from /lib64/libc.so.6
#1  0x00007f462f6d0338 in __GI__IO_file_underflow () from /lib64/libc.so.6
#2  0x00007f462f6cf678 in __GI__IO_file_xsgetn () from /lib64/libc.so.6
#3  0x00007f462f6c5418 in fread () from /lib64/libc.so.6
#4  0x00007f46319525f7 in QFile::readBlock(char*, unsigned long) ()
   from /usr/lib64/libqt-mt.so.3
#5  0x00007f463195c6df in QDataStream::operator>>(int&) ()
   from /usr/lib64/libqt-mt.so.3
#6  0x00007f463265e1c8 in KSycoca::kfsstnd_prefixes() ()
   from /opt/trinity/lib64/libkdecore.so.4
#7  0x00007f463265e3c8 in KSycoca::language() ()
   from /opt/trinity/lib64/libkdecore.so.4
#8  0x00007f462d0aa20a in kdemain ()
   from /opt/trinity/lib64/libkdeinit_kbuildsycoca.so
#9  0x00000000004090ff in ?? ()
#10 0x000000000040a008 in ?? ()
#11 0x000000000040a552 in ?? ()
#12 0x00000000004063be in main ()

gdb has also complained about plenty of missing debuginfo files for many
libraries involved with kbuildsycoca.

/proc/$(pidof kbuildsycoca)/maps lists
00400000-0040d000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 821948 /usr/local/opt/trinity/bin/kdeinit

which covers all three unknown functions in the backtrace. If you want
me to install it to exactly see which functions these are, just let me

(Just btw: /opt is a symbolic link to /usr/local/opt.)

Thanks in advance,


valgrind python -c 'for i in range(1,1): print(i)' 2>&1 | grep error

Dobigeon Nicolas | 17 Oct 22:25 2014

New french user

Hello all TDE users,


I want to introduce myself tu TDE mailing list.

I’m Nicolas, a TDE user for 1 or 2 years.

I never used TDE for my main computer, but TDE is me favorite linux DE.


I want to join the mailing list because i wish to help other users and to contribute to TDE living.


See you soon !!


Dobigeon Nicolas

Messagerie : dobigeon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org


Michael . | 17 Oct 05:07 2014

Re: New TDE site released

Ok 3 screenshots
1st is original
2nd is half screen width on my widescreen
3rd is full screen width on my widescreen.
I will post screenshots from my laptop soon.


P.S. Sorry about the "other" DE in the screenshots

On 17 October 2014 12:53, Steven D'Aprano <steve-iDnA/YwAAsAk+I/owrrOrA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 01:43:14PM -0500, Timothy Pearson wrote:
> Hash: SHA224
> All,
> Thanks to the efforts of the TDE web development team we proudly announce
> the debut of our new website (https://www.trinitydesktop.org)!

Thank you! A couple of comments:

Thumbnails should, I believe, be actual thumbnails and so load extremely
quickly. The first time I loaded the home page, I could watch the
introductory screen shot render almost row by row. Here is the image:


It's a 638px × 392px image, but then scaled to 300px × 225px, which
means it is about four times as big as it needs to be. Replacing it with
a pre-scaled image would mean it could download four times as quickly.

Likewise for the image in the Latest News section:


which is 1,024px × 768px but scaled to 320px × 240px, which means it's
ten times bigger than it needs to be.

I find that most screen shots for desktop environments turn me off
immediately. They either show too much stuff happening all at once,
giving the impression of over-complexity and complication, or they show
so little that I don't get a sense for the look and feel and get the
impression that the environment must be pretty weak. And I'm afraid that
your choosen introductionary image on the front page falls firmly in
that second category.

I don't think that introductory screen shot makes a good advertisement
for TDE. It's too plain and minimal: apart from a bare task bar at the
bottom, and a few icons along the left hand side, it's effectively just
a picture of the wallpaper. I don't think you should focus on the
wallpaper there on the front page, every GUI desktop environment these
days can display a wallpaper image. I think the introductory image ought
to focus on what makes TDE look and feel like TDE, but without being too
busy that it looks scarily complicated.

The trick is, I think, to find a happy medium between the minimalism of
the current intro image where nearly everything is negative space, and
the common "everything including the kitchen sink" screen shot that
tries to put a significant element on every pixel of the screen, e.g.


Both have their places in design, but as opposite extremes I don't think
either belongs as the showcase screen shot on the front page. I think a
better showcase image would be something that gives a good flavour of
the TDE look and feel, without being too busy and cluttered. This is
closer to what I think:


but still a bit too full.

What I have in mind is something that is about a half to two-thirds
negative space (i.e. the wallpaper), and the rest consisting of design
elements (e.g. the icons down the left hand side, the task bar, three or
four apps visible on screen). The apps should be small and elegent
rather than too technical looking, and should avoid looking like a wall
of text. I think something like a calculator, KNotes, KAlarm, a
calendar, or similar applications which don't need a lot of physical
space on screen. The usefulness of them should be immediately obvious to
people who aren't techs or computer geeks.

Why small applications? Because the emphasis should be on TDE itself,
not any specific app, and particularly not anything outisde of TDE (e.g.
LibreOffice, Firefox). A busy design says "low value but cheap", while
minimalist design says "costly but high value":


Both design principles (extremely busy, extremely minimalist) have their
place, and there is nothing wrong with showing examples of both on the
main screenshots page, but on the home page you have a unique
opportunity to capture people's attention for the first time, and I
think we want something that falls in the middle ground between the two
extremes but slightly closer to the "high value" end (i.e. more negative

Negative space is strongly associated with simplicity, which can be a
good thing:


but too much empty space suggests that it can't do anything. I think we
want to show TDE is simple but not so simple that is is useless, rich in
functionality but not complicated and difficult to use, hence the image
should show multiple applications which are immediately and obviously
useful, while still showing plenty of negative space.

You should also consider the three-second rule: most users will make up
their mind to move on or stay for a closer look within three seconds.
Too much text and graphics diminishes the opportunity to convince them
to stay:


I hope these suggestions will be useful to you.


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