Scott Robinson | 1 Jan 05:42
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Problem with RDesktop

I just installed Rox Desktop onto Debian 5. On the session manager screen I have two options for Rox: one labeled Rox and the other Rox-desktop. When I log into either one however the only things that appear are: the home icon on the desktop and panel, plus two more folder icons on the panel: CDROM and hgfs.  I think I am missing something. For instance there is no icon for Apps or an icon to end the session on the bottom right. What may I check to troubleshoot this? 

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Thomas Leonard | 1 Jan 22:25
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Re: Problem with RDesktop

2010/1/1 Scott Robinson <ahkira28 <at> gmail.com>:
> I just installed Rox Desktop onto Debian 5. On the session manager screen I
> have two options for Rox: one labeled Rox and the other Rox-desktop. When I
> log into either one however the only things that appear are: the home icon
> on the desktop and panel, plus two more folder icons on the panel: CDROM and
> hgfs.  I think I am missing something. For instance there is no icon for
> Apps or an icon to end the session on the bottom right. What may I check to
> troubleshoot this?

I can't remember what ROX-Session does by default these days, but that
might be correct. You should be able to find the Apps directory from
Home and drag that and ROX-Session onto the panel...

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Scott Robinson | 2 Jan 01:39
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Re: Problem with RDesktop

I can't locate any Rox app folder. All the filer does is browse my linux fs. And since there is no session manager the only way for me to logout is to turn off the power.

On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Thomas Leonard <talex5 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
2010/1/1 Scott Robinson <ahkira28 <at> gmail.com>:
> I just installed Rox Desktop onto Debian 5. On the session manager screen I
> have two options for Rox: one labeled Rox and the other Rox-desktop. When I
> log into either one however the only things that appear are: the home icon
> on the desktop and panel, plus two more folder icons on the panel: CDROM and
> hgfs.  I think I am missing something. For instance there is no icon for
> Apps or an icon to end the session on the bottom right. What may I check to
> troubleshoot this?

I can't remember what ROX-Session does by default these days, but that
might be correct. You should be able to find the Apps directory from
Home and drag that and ROX-Session onto the panel...


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Jim Lesurf | 2 Jan 13:38
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Command equivalent to left-click

I'm currently writing a simple ROX app which is to act as a 'demo' for some
people. The task is to be able to search a set of metadata I have and
identify which items meet the search keywords, etc. I have a system that
works moderately well, but has some snags which I'm sure can be overcome,
but I'm too ignorant as yet to solve!

The app works on the simple basis of starting an xterm and running the
program there so it can ask the user to type in the required keywords, and
then report its progress. However the main output is in the form of an HTML
file the user then can read and use. This lists detailes of 'found' items,
says which CDROM of the set they are on, and gives a URL that will let the
browser load them once the appropriate CDROM is mounted.

This works. But the process shows one irritating feature. This is because I
have (currently) to load the file into a browser by using the C system()
proceedure to issue something like 'firefox <filename>'. This has two
snags.

Firstly it means it has to name the browser, so I then have to have a user
changable setting for the command if they are using some other browser.

Secondly, the browser process is a child of the main application xterm
process. This means that if I close the xterminal window it abruptly also
shuts the browser down. It also means that if I use evince to view the PDF
files that are on the CDROM, firefox lets me do this OK, but any errors due
to the way I've had to tweak evince *not* to open absurdly large windows
then pop up in the xterm window!

If I click on the HTML file in a filer window then, of course, none of the
above occurs. Presumably because the browser process is then a child of the
windowing system. Alas, that means the user has to do this instead of
having the application get the browser to display the result.

So is there a simple command that will ensure the browser view of the
resulting file does *not* vanish if the xterminal window is closed, and
does *not* pass unwanted moans by evince back up to it?

With RO I'd use Filer_Run and that would solve the problem. But I'm trying
to get a version that lets me supply people with a ROX version - and
ideally one that also works for non ROX linux users who can start the
process by clicking AppRun.  :-)

FWIW I've tried using exec and adding &. Using & allows me to stop the
moans by evince from being passed to the xterminal, but doesn't allow the
browser to keep running if the xterm is closed. So clearly my ignorance is
holding me up. I'm assuming there is a Linux command equivalent to
Filer_Run that then use MIME, etc, to determine the action, but that I am
clueless as to what it is. This must be possible, surely?...

Slainte,

Jim

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Stephen Watson | 2 Jan 13:53
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Jim Lesurf <jcgl <at> audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> So is there a simple command that will ensure the browser view of the
> resulting file does *not* vanish if the xterminal window is closed, and
> does *not* pass unwanted moans by evince back up to it?
> 
> With RO I'd use Filer_Run and that would solve the problem. But I'm trying
> to get a version that lets me supply people with a ROX version - and
> ideally one that also works for non ROX linux users who can start the
> process by clicking AppRun.  :-)

The command 'rox' is the ROX equivalent to Filer_Run.  Unfortunately it
vanished from recent versions of ROX-Filer, but it is very simple.  If you
installed ROX-Filer in ~/Apps then rox is:

#!/bin/sh
exec /home/stephen/Apps/ROX-Filer/AppRun "$@"

(or wherever your home directory is).

As you can see it simply runs ROX-Filer with the file as the argument.  The
filer then passes that to an already running instance of the filer (or
becomes the instance if it can't find one) which then runs it according to
the defined run actions.

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Thomas Leonard | 2 Jan 14:00
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2012/1/2 Jim Lesurf <jcgl <at> audiomisc.co.uk>:
[ detaching child processes ]
> So is there a simple command that will ensure the browser view of the
> resulting file does *not* vanish if the xterminal window is closed, and
> does *not* pass unwanted moans by evince back up to it?

The "nohup" command will allow a process to out-live its session, e.g.

$ nohup firefox > /dev/null

(if you don't redirect stdout, it will create a file called nohup.out
with the output)

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Thomas Leonard | 2 Jan 13:27
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Re: Problem with RDesktop

How did you install it?

If you got it using ROX-All, then it's wherever you unpacked it:

http://roscidus.com/desktop/ROX-All

Note: You might also be able to log out with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace,
although some distributions now disable this by default. As a last
resort, this key sequence is safer than just turning off the power:

Alt+SysRq+S (sync)
Alt+SysRq+U (remount filesystems read-only)
Alt+SysRq+B (reboot)

(SysRq is usually on the same key as PrintSreen)

2010/1/2 Scott Robinson <ahkira28 <at> gmail.com>:
> I can't locate any Rox app folder. All the filer does is browse my linux fs.
> And since there is no session manager the only way for me to logout is to
> turn off the power.
>
> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Thomas Leonard <talex5 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 2010/1/1 Scott Robinson <ahkira28 <at> gmail.com>:
>> > I just installed Rox Desktop onto Debian 5. On the session manager
>> > screen I
>> > have two options for Rox: one labeled Rox and the other Rox-desktop.
>> > When I
>> > log into either one however the only things that appear are: the home
>> > icon
>> > on the desktop and panel, plus two more folder icons on the panel: CDROM
>> > and
>> > hgfs.  I think I am missing something. For instance there is no icon for
>> > Apps or an icon to end the session on the bottom right. What may I check
>> > to
>> > troubleshoot this?
>>
>> I can't remember what ROX-Session does by default these days, but that
>> might be correct. You should be able to find the Apps directory from
>> Home and drag that and ROX-Session onto the panel...
>>
>>
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Scott Robinson | 2 Jan 17:26
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Re: Problem with RDesktop

First I installed Rox-all through zero-install. I was able to get to the Rox applications via the Gnome desktop. Then I wanted to try the Rox desktop instead. So I installed (or I thought I did) Rox-session through Rox-all in Zero-install, but the Desktop did not seem complete. So I then installed Rox via Synaptic PM. Now I have two sessions on my login screen: Rox and Rox-destop.


I am not sure where the App folder is installed by Synaptic.  But following the App folder path opened on the Gnome desktop via Zero Install --> manage programs --> Rox-all, it seems that is installed at  ~/.cache/0install.net/implementations/shalnew=42f......./apps

Does this all sound correct?

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Thomas Leonard <talex5 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
How did you install it?

If you got it using ROX-All, then it's wherever you unpacked it:

http://roscidus.com/desktop/ROX-All


Note: You might also be able to log out with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace,
although some distributions now disable this by default. As a last
resort, this key sequence is safer than just turning off the power:

Alt+SysRq+S (sync)
Alt+SysRq+U (remount filesystems read-only)
Alt+SysRq+B (reboot)

(SysRq is usually on the same key as PrintSreen)


2010/1/2 Scott Robinson <ahkira28 <at> gmail.com>:
> I can't locate any Rox app folder. All the filer does is browse my linux fs.
> And since there is no session manager the only way for me to logout is to
> turn off the power.
>
> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Thomas Leonard <talex5 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 2010/1/1 Scott Robinson <ahkira28 <at> gmail.com>:
>> > I just installed Rox Desktop onto Debian 5. On the session manager
>> > screen I
>> > have two options for Rox: one labeled Rox and the other Rox-desktop.
>> > When I
>> > log into either one however the only things that appear are: the home
>> > icon
>> > on the desktop and panel, plus two more folder icons on the panel: CDROM
>> > and
>> > hgfs.  I think I am missing something. For instance there is no icon for
>> > Apps or an icon to end the session on the bottom right. What may I check
>> > to
>> > troubleshoot this?
>>
>> I can't remember what ROX-Session does by default these days, but that
>> might be correct. You should be able to find the Apps directory from
>> Home and drag that and ROX-Session onto the panel...
>>
>>
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Jim Lesurf | 2 Jan 18:26
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Re: Command equivalent to left-click

In article <gemini.kvmehk06wtwkg0kh4.stephen <at> kerofin.demon.co.uk>,
Stephen
Watson <stephen <at> kerofin.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Jim Lesurf <jcgl <at> audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:

> > 
> > So is there a simple command that will ensure the browser view of the
> > resulting file does *not* vanish if the xterminal window is closed,
> > and does *not* pass unwanted moans by evince back up to it?
> > 
> > With RO I'd use Filer_Run and that would solve the problem. 

> The command 'rox' is the ROX equivalent to Filer_Run.  Unfortunately it
> vanished from recent versions of ROX-Filer, but it is very simple.  

[snip]

Thanks. 'rox' used in that way works on the version I am using. :-)

This is the version that is available via synaptic for Ubuntu. Maybe that
is an old version, but apart from the pinboard oddities (which may be due
to something else) it works nicely here.

For the application I'm currently working on it is probably safer to use
'nohup' (now I have it pointed out to me!) as I want the result to also
work for those *not* using ROX. 

However your explanation makes me ask a follow-on question. Given what you
said, what is the safest approach for this for apps that other ROX users
might also use? Asking as I have done some 'demo' ROX apps for Archive, and
all being well want to cover this in future. Presumably from what you
explain just using 'rox' may not work for some versions. 

Slainte,

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Re: Command equivalent to left-click

In article
<cd53a0141001020500k7c122849tc824ac61409fe8f0 <at> mail.gmail.com>,
   Thomas Leonard <talex5 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> 2012/1/2 Jim Lesurf <jcgl <at> audiomisc.co.uk>: [ detaching child processes ]
> > So is there a simple command that will ensure the browser view of the
> > resulting file does *not* vanish if the xterminal window is closed,
> > and does *not* pass unwanted moans by evince back up to it?

> The "nohup" command will allow a process to out-live its session, e.g.

> $ nohup firefox > /dev/null

> (if you don't redirect stdout, it will create a file called nohup.out
> with the output)

Thanks!  :-)  The above is what I have chosen for this app as it should
also let non-ROX-users run the app via AppRun. Although 'rox' as explained
by Stephen also works fine here with ROX.

I now recall reading about nohup in the past. But, typically, had forgotten
all about it.

Afraid this is an example of my tendency to forget or misunderstand things
I've not used, and then find that I can't deduce the command from what is
required.

I guess this is a common problem for those like myself who are poor at
programming, etc. Once you pointed out 'nohup' I immediately realised that
'no hangup' made sense as the correct command. But starting from knowing I
didn't want the browser to vanish with the terminal window simply didn't
lead me to that!

I guess this is a bit like having to look up words you can't spell in a
dictionary. Once you try the correct form you can find the word. Otherwise
you keep having to try incorrect forms and going 'nope, not that one!'. 
:-)

Slainte,

Jim

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