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Mithat Konar | 4 Aug 2009 17:08
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ROX root weirdness


I am running ROX under Debian Lenny with IceWm and XDM using Lenny's ROX package (v2.7.1). 

I've noticed some weirdness when trying to get ROX running as root. For example:

    su-to-root -c rox

works, but neither

    su-to-root -X -c rox

nor

    gksu rox

do.

Also, in a shell or script:

    sudo rox

works as does

    gksudo rox

but launching a new term with the command:

    xterm -e sudo rox

or:
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Mark Williams | 6 Aug 2009 12:36

Suggestion For ROX Panel

In RISCOS you can use the shift and F12 key combination to bring the 
icon bar to the front if it's covered.

Maybe we could use that?

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Mark Williams | 8 Aug 2009 12:55

Transplanting XFWM's Compositing Code Into OroboROX

Both window managers are descended from Oroborus, so I'm guessing they 
already have a lot of code in common. With that in mind does anyone 
think it'd be possible, or desirable, to borrow the compositing from 
XFWM and shove it into OroboROX?

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Tony Houghton | 8 Aug 2009 15:09
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Re: Transplanting XFWM's Compositing Code Into OroboROX

On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:55:11 +0100
Mark Williams <mark.williams <at> ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Both window managers are descended from Oroborus, so I'm guessing they 
> already have a lot of code in common. With that in mind does anyone 
> think it'd be possible, or desirable, to borrow the compositing from 
> XFWM and shove it into OroboROX?

OroboROX seems to be unmaintained. I was thinking of adopting it a while
ago, but when I tried to add --replace and fix that bug which makes some
windows' furniture disappear I concluded I was out of my depth. I did
manage to add a pretty good (IMNSHO) placement option though.

Why don't you just use xfwm4 anyway? Since it was made independent of
xfce4's settings manager it's pretty much my ideal window manager.

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Mark Williams | 8 Aug 2009 17:11

Re: Transplanting XFWM's Compositing Code Into OroboROX

Tony Houghton wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:55:11 +0100
> Mark Williams <mark.williams <at> ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
>> Both window managers are descended from Oroborus, so I'm guessing they 
>> already have a lot of code in common. With that in mind does anyone 
>> think it'd be possible, or desirable, to borrow the compositing from 
>> XFWM and shove it into OroboROX?
> 
> OroboROX seems to be unmaintained. I was thinking of adopting it a while
> ago, but when I tried to add --replace and fix that bug which makes some
> windows' furniture disappear I concluded I was out of my depth. I did
> manage to add a pretty good (IMNSHO) placement option though.
> 
> Why don't you just use xfwm4 anyway? Since it was made independent of
> xfce4's settings manager it's pretty much my ideal window manager.
> 
Well...

OroboROX uses less than half the amount of RAM xfwm4 does, even when the 
latter is in standard mode. And you can use xfwm4 themes in OroboROX anyway.

I'd do it myself. But in the decade it'll take me to learn how to code 
someone will have created a zeroinstall version of compiz :-D

And, yes, your placement option is very good.  Thanks ;-)

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Neil Graham | 11 Aug 2009 10:27

Re: Transplanting XFWM's Compositing Code Into OroboROX

On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:11:02 +0100, Mark Williams wrote:

> Tony Houghton wrote:
>> 
>> Why don't you just use xfwm4 anyway? Since it was made independent of
>> xfce4's settings manager it's pretty much my ideal window manager.
>> 
> Well...
> 
> OroboROX uses less than half the amount of RAM xfwm4 does, even when the
> latter is in standard mode. And you can use xfwm4 themes in OroboROX
> anyway.
I'm using OpenBox, not so much because of any well informed decision but 
because people said it was lighter than xfwm and it ticked all the right 
boxes (EWMH etc.)

It seems to manage windows,  I have no idea what the difference is when 
compared to OroboRox or xfwm.  Anyone care to enlighten (no pun intended) 
me?

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Mark Williams | 11 Aug 2009 11:47

Re: Transplanting XFWM's Compositing Code Into OroboROX

Neil Graham wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:11:02 +0100, Mark Williams wrote:
> 
>> Tony Houghton wrote:
>>> Why don't you just use xfwm4 anyway? Since it was made independent of
>>> xfce4's settings manager it's pretty much my ideal window manager.
>>>
>> Well...
>>
>> OroboROX uses less than half the amount of RAM xfwm4 does, even when the
>> latter is in standard mode. And you can use xfwm4 themes in OroboROX
>> anyway.
> I'm using OpenBox, not so much because of any well informed decision but 
> because people said it was lighter than xfwm and it ticked all the right 
> boxes (EWMH etc.)
> 
> It seems to manage windows,  I have no idea what the difference is when 
> compared to OroboRox or xfwm.  Anyone care to enlighten (no pun intended) 
> me?
> 
> 
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Well. Last time I looked at it there was no obvious way to set it up so 
that windows didn't jump to the top of the stack when they had focus.
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Nicola Fontana | 11 Aug 2009 12:37
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Re: Transplanting XFWM's Compositing Code Into OroboROX

Il giorno Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:47:53 +0100
Mark Williams <mark.williams <at> ntlworld.com> ha scritto:

> Well. Last time I looked at it there was no obvious way to set it up
> so that windows didn't jump to the top of the stack when they had
> focus. Something it's easy to do in both xfwm4 and OroboROX.

In openbox 3.4 the raiseOnFocus tag should probably do the trick:

http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:MouseFocusExample

I used OroboROX before switching to openbox. If I remember well, I did
not found a way to get sticky notes (using xnots) without borders or
I had problems with the OSD of xine in fullscreen... one of the two.
Other than that it worked great.

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Jim Lesurf | 11 Aug 2009 13:34
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Re: Transplanting XFWM's Compositing Code Into OroboROX

In article <h5reo9$bv$1 <at> ger.gmane.org>, Mark Williams
<mark.williams <at> ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Well. Last time I looked at it there was no obvious way to set it up so
> that windows didn't jump to the top of the stack when they had focus.
> Something it's easy to do in both xfwm4 and OroboROX.

That prompts me to ask: is there a (simple?) way to do that with a system
where I am running ROX from Ubuntu or Xubuntu?[1] I do find the way windows
insist on leaping to the top of the stack annoying, but don't know enough
to prevent it.

[1] By "from" here I mean that the machine boots up into Ubuntu or Xubuntu
(9.04) and I then start up ROX with 'ROX -S' to give me a 'mixed'
environment.

Slainte,

Jim

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Mark Williams | 11 Aug 2009 13:45

Re: Transplanting XFWM's Compositing Code Into OroboROX

Jim Lesurf wrote:
> In article <h5reo9$bv$1 <at> ger.gmane.org>, Mark Williams
> <mark.williams <at> ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Well. Last time I looked at it there was no obvious way to set it up so
>> that windows didn't jump to the top of the stack when they had focus.
>> Something it's easy to do in both xfwm4 and OroboROX.
> 
> That prompts me to ask: is there a (simple?) way to do that with a system
> where I am running ROX from Ubuntu or Xubuntu?[1] I do find the way windows
> insist on leaping to the top of the stack annoying, but don't know enough
> to prevent it.
> 
> [1] By "from" here I mean that the machine boots up into Ubuntu or Xubuntu
> (9.04) and I then start up ROX with 'ROX -S' to give me a 'mixed'
> environment.
> 
> Slainte,
> 
> Jim
> 
Which window manager are you using?  I know xfwm has the option to 
switch off focused windows come to top.  But Metacity doesn't.

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