Re: Please Explain How To Use Rox For FTP

On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:57:42 +0000, Thomas Leonard wrote:

> 2009/2/20 Mark Williams <mark.williams@...>:
>> The article on the main site says
>>
>> Note that AVFS is turned on on a per-process basis. So make sure you
>> turn it on in the script that runs ROX-Filer (eg, ROX-Session/RunROX),
>> not something that starts later (like your .zshrc file, which will only
>> affect things started from the shell).
>>
>> But it doesn't say how to turn AVFS on.
> 
> I guess we should remove that entry (does anyone still use AVFS?).
> 

YES. I use avfs, it works quite well. And with ROX it also works fine.

Granted, it's an older program, but for those who don't use gnome-vfs or 
run kde, it provides a useful service.

FTP usage is: rox (avfs dir)/#ftp:ftp.sitename.com
or when authentication is required

rox (avfs dir)/#ftp:user@...

(avfs dir) is typically $HOME/.avfs

AVFS is useful for quite a lot of things and mirrors the functionality of 
the VFS of mc. In fact, many of its plugins are the same. Here is from the 
avfs README.

Broken WM change

I've been using OpenBox for a long time now, but just recently
thought I'd have a look again at other WMs but everything seems
horribly unstable.

I can reasonably reliable switch between OpenBox and Kwin, but
OroboROX, Sawfish, xfwm4 all crash. In doing so they disable WM
selection and the only way I can recover control is by loging out and
back in again.

The command I'm using (in a script) is:

dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=net.sf.rox.Session \
  /Settings net.sf.rox.Session.Settings.SetString
string:ROX/WindowManager string:xfwm4

OroboROX of course has its own incomprehensible startup script!

I had been running ROX Session 0.30, but upgrading to 0.40 made no
difference.

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Re: OroboROX smart placement

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:11:47 +0000
Tony Houghton <h <at> realh.co.uk> wrote:

> I've just implemented smart placement in OroboROX. It's optional, but
> enabled by default. Testers will be welcome, especially as I devised an
> algorithm from scratch instead of copying it from another manager. The
> new feature is presently only available via svn (subversion), the
> repository is:
> 
> https://rox.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rox/trunk/OroboROX
> 
> I've been using other window managers, especially openbox, for quite
> some time now, but I realised I didn't like anything quite as much as
> OroboROX for its ability to move windows without raising them and being
> able to disable raise-on-click without side effects etc etc. But I
> realised I missed smart placement when I came back to OroboROX, so I
> decided to implement it.

I'm a bit puzzled by this. I have full control of raise, focus etc. in
openbox. I simply edited the .rc file

I have it configured as:

title left click raise - drag raise, move
title middle click keep - drag keep, move
title right click lower - drag lower, move

title left doubleclick raise, centre window, reduce to 800x600
  (very useful for windows that open oversize)
title right doubleclick iconify

Re: OroboROX smart placement

On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:59:32 +0000
Abrolag <abrolag <at> users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> I'm a bit puzzled by this. I have full control of raise, focus etc. in
> openbox. I simply edited the .rc file
> 
> I have it configured as:
> 
> title left click raise - drag raise, move
> title middle click keep - drag keep, move
> title right click lower - drag lower, move

Oh yeah! I didn't notice you could configure those bits. I'd probably
got too demoralised by Metacity, where every option that could make it a
decent wm is written in spaghetti code and encumbered with side effects
that make it more unusable, just to make a point.

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Re: Broken WM change

On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:38:55 +0000
Abrolag <abrolag <at> users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> I've been using OpenBox for a long time now, but just recently
> thought I'd have a look again at other WMs but everything seems
> horribly unstable.
> 
> I can reasonably reliable switch between OpenBox and Kwin, but
> OroboROX, Sawfish, xfwm4 all crash. In doing so they disable WM
> selection and the only way I can recover control is by loging out and
> back in again.
> 
> The command I'm using (in a script) is:
> 
> dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=net.sf.rox.Session \
>   /Settings net.sf.rox.Session.Settings.SetString
> string:ROX/WindowManager string:xfwm4
> 
> OroboROX of course has its own incomprehensible startup script!
> 
> I had been running ROX Session 0.30, but upgrading to 0.40 made no
> difference.

I am very disappointed that nobody has commented on this. Mostly I want
to carry on using OpenBox, but would still like to be able to switch to
the others from time to time.

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Re: Broken WM change

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:31:17 +0000
Abrolag <abrolag <at> users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:38:55 +0000
> Abrolag <abrolag <at> users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> 
> > I've been using OpenBox for a long time now, but just recently
> > thought I'd have a look again at other WMs but everything seems
> > horribly unstable.
> > 
> > I can reasonably reliable switch between OpenBox and Kwin, but
> > OroboROX, Sawfish, xfwm4 all crash. In doing so they disable WM
> > selection and the only way I can recover control is by loging out and
> > back in again.
> > 
> > The command I'm using (in a script) is:
> > 
> > dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=net.sf.rox.Session \
> >   /Settings net.sf.rox.Session.Settings.SetString
> > string:ROX/WindowManager string:xfwm4
> > 
> > OroboROX of course has its own incomprehensible startup script!
> > 
> > I had been running ROX Session 0.30, but upgrading to 0.40 made no
> > difference.
> 
> I am very disappointed that nobody has commented on this. Mostly I want
> to carry on using OpenBox, but would still like to be able to switch to
> the others from time to time.

Re: Broken WM change

2009/3/18 Abrolag <abrolag <at> users.sourceforge.net>:
> On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:31:17 +0000
> Abrolag <abrolag <at> users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:38:55 +0000
>> Abrolag <abrolag <at> users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I've been using OpenBox for a long time now, but just recently
>> > thought I'd have a look again at other WMs but everything seems
>> > horribly unstable.
>> >
>> > I can reasonably reliable switch between OpenBox and Kwin, but
>> > OroboROX, Sawfish, xfwm4 all crash. In doing so they disable WM
>> > selection and the only way I can recover control is by loging out and
>> > back in again.

How do they disable switching? Is the process still running (so
ROX-Session doesn't prompt for a new one) or does the prompt get
burried under other windows, etc? Putting some print statements in
might help track it down.

>> > The command I'm using (in a script) is:
>> >
>> > dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=net.sf.rox.Session \
>> >   /Settings net.sf.rox.Session.Settings.SetString
>> > string:ROX/WindowManager string:xfwm4
>> >
>> > OroboROX of course has its own incomprehensible startup script!
>> >
>> > I had been running ROX Session 0.30, but upgrading to 0.40 made no

Re: Broken WM change

On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:43:46 +0000
Thomas Leonard <talex5 <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> >> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:38:55 +0000
> >> Abrolag <abrolag <at> users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I can reasonably reliable switch between OpenBox and Kwin, but
> >> > OroboROX, Sawfish, xfwm4 all crash. In doing so they disable WM
> >> > selection and the only way I can recover control is by loging out and
> >> > back in again.
> 
> How do they disable switching? Is the process still running (so
> ROX-Session doesn't prompt for a new one) or does the prompt get
> burried under other windows, etc? Putting some print statements in
> might help track it down.

I'm aware of something "not quite right" in ROX-Session's WM management,
which means it can lose track of the active window manager, but I
haven't really had the motivation to fix it TBH. I don't know whether
the python ROX-Session has the same problem.

Modern window managers are supposed to have a "--replace" option and
allow other wms using the same protocol to replace them, but neither
OroboROX nor Openbox support that. Sawfish probably doesn't, but I think
kwin and xfwm4 do.

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Re: Broken WM change

On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:43:46 +0000
Thomas Leonard <talex5 <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> 2009/3/18 Abrolag <abrolag <at> users.sourceforge.net>:
> > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:31:17 +0000
> > Abrolag <abrolag <at> users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:38:55 +0000
> >> Abrolag <abrolag <at> users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I've been using OpenBox for a long time now, but just recently
> >> > thought I'd have a look again at other WMs but everything seems
> >> > horribly unstable.
> >> >
> >> > I can reasonably reliable switch between OpenBox and Kwin, but
> >> > OroboROX, Sawfish, xfwm4 all crash. In doing so they disable WM
> >> > selection and the only way I can recover control is by loging out and
> >> > back in again.
> 
> How do they disable switching? Is the process still running (so
> ROX-Session doesn't prompt for a new one) or does the prompt get
> burried under other windows, etc? Putting some print statements in
> might help track it down.

OK, first thing is I hadn't noticed the --replace operation (must be
getting slow, when did that arrive). If I untick this then all WMs
behave correctly. BTW Tony, the latest version of OpenBox does respond
correctly.

The problem occurs when you incorrectly have this option set and the